Talk:WikiSquad/Archive 1

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Let's speak here between members of the Wikisquad about maintaining and developing the pirate wiki.

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Logo du Wiki

Yop! Je voulais juste savoir qui a modifié le logo du wiki (en haut à gauche), et pour quelles raisons? Perso, je préférais l'ancien logo, mais on peut toujours en discuter ;) Mais je crois que la moindre des choses serait d'en informer les autres :/ (je ne sais pas si c'est une décision récente ou pas, je n'avais pas fait attention avant) --HgO (talk) 16:09, 13 September 2016 (CEST)

Qu'est-ce qu'il a le logo ^_^ --Tierce (talk) 16:21, 13 September 2016 (CEST).

Aha assume tes actes !! :p Bon mais sérieusement, essaie de prévenir quand tu fais des modifs de ce genre (càd sans traces), parce que c'est à devenir fou oO --HgO (talk) 16:38, 13 September 2016 (CEST)

PirateLab dans la Sidebar

Yosh! J'ai vu que Thierry avait un peu nettoyé la Sidebar, mais je trouve qu'on pourrait aller plus loin :) Par exemple, je me rends compte que les PirateLab ne sont même pas listés :o Or, c'est devenu un outil quasi incontournable pour les pirates. Je propose de remplacer le lien "Coreteam meetings" par "PirateLab" (et de le faire pointer vers Pirate Lab), cela va de soi. Votre avis? D'autres idées? --HgO (talk) 13:14, 21 September 2016 (CEST)

Je suis pour que la side bar pointe vers des choses vivantes, donc je suis pour ajouter PirateLab et mettre coreteam ailleurs ou l'enlever! --Tierce (talk) 14:09, 21 September 2016 (CEST)

Pareil :) On pourra discuter des choses vivantes lors de la prochaine réunion (15 octobre) (ou lors du Pirate Lab si tu y seras), et peut-être aussi de comment réorganiser le wiki si on a le temps. Par exemple, les OpSquads ne sont pas toutes mortes, mais ne reflètent pas du tout l'usage qu'en font les pirates. La Trésorerie est en théorie divisée en trois: Coreteam, Finance et Secrétariat, mais dans la pratique ce n'est pas le cas. En outre, cette division reste pour moi relativement floue dans les statuts... --HgO (talk) 10:54, 22 September 2016 (CEST)

Wikinews

J'ai nettoyé les actualités du wiki. Je pense que l'idée était bonne, mais ce n'est peut-être pas le but du wiki? Ou alors, il faudrait mettre les news en avant sur la page d'accueil, et changer l'espace de nom ou un sous-dossier (News/Ma_News, pas exemple). On a aussi un problème quand la news n'est qu'en Anglais (mais cela pourrait être corrigé avec un template trilingue, peut-être). De manière générale, la portée de l'outil est limitée tant qu'on aura pas quelques traducteurs (sinon on va juste spammer la Category:Te vertalen... Enfin, je me dis qu'automatiquement supprimer les news après un certain temps serait pas mal aussi. --HgO (talk) 00:47, 28 September 2016 (CEST)

Template Event

Yosh ! Je suis en train de faire mon petit nettoyage d'automne, et je me demandais si quelqu'un avait une idée de l'utilité du Template:Event ? Tout ce qu'il fait, c'est rajouter une Category:Event. Je vous avoue que cela me dépasse un peu, là. Aussi, est-ce qu'il y a un moyen facile de supprimer toutes les occurrences de ce template (càd, toutes les inclusions de ce template sur le wiki) en vue de le supprimer sans souci. Merchi ! :) --HgO (talk) 23:02, 6 October 2016 (CEST)

Je pense qu'il servait pour le système d'annonces/newsletter testé par Vincent et Damiens... Je pensais utiliser un truc similaire pour le tableau des petites annonces de la 4g squad, parce qu'utiliser la page Discussion risque de vite être compliqué --ZeFredz (talk) 13:35, 10 October 2016 (CEST)

Templates des projets, crews et réunions

Bonsoir les gens du Wiki !

Comme vous avez pu le constater, je suis en train de faire de grosses modifications au niveau des templates, afin de rendre plus automatique la création des catégories liées aux projets, crews, réunions, etc.

Concernant les projets, j'ai fusionné les différents templates de sidebar pour n'avoir plus que Template:ProjectSidebar. Cela permettra de ne pas devoir modifier trois templates lorsque l'on voudra améliorer celui-ci. Pour choisir la langue, il suffit d'utiliser le paramètre lang = en|fr|nl. Je n'ai pas traduit le template en néerlandais, simplement parce que je ne connais pas suffisamment cette langue pour cela. Ensuite, j'ai rajouté un paramètre nocat afin de dire au template de ne pas générer les catégories du projet. Cette fonctionnalité sera utile pour des tests, des démos, etc.

Pour le classement des projets, je distingue trois catégories : les projets actifs (c'est-à-dire ceux qui possèdent encore des pirates actifs ou qui sont toujours d'actualité, les projets inactifs (c'est-à-dire les projets « en sommeil »), et les projets archivés (c'est-à-dire les projets terminés avec succès ou non). Ces trois concepts sont assez flous et subjectifs, du coup j'aimerais avoir votre avis là-dessus. Pensez-vous qu'indiquer lorsqu'un projet s'est terminé avec succès ou pas serait utile (avec un paramètre success = true/false) ?

Pour le moment, l'important est d'avoir une liste des projets actifs qui ne soit pas trop longue. J'ai donc par exemple laissé le projet Apartmentgarden actif parce que cela lui donne plus de visibilité, même s'il n'a plus été mis à jour depuis très très longtemps.

Avec Renaud, j'ai discuté d'une possible convention de nommage des projets. Comme lui, je pense que ne mettre que le nom du projet comme titre de page est problématique. Par exemple, si un équipage décide de faire une Linux Install Party, les autres équipages qui souhaiteraient faire pareil sont un peu coincés. Je propose donc la convention suivante : Nom_de_la_crew/Année_de_création/Nom_du_projet. Qu'en pensez-vous ? Un problème que je vois est qu'un projet n'est pas toujours relié à un équipage ou une escouade... Par exemple, je ne pense pas que cette convention pourrait s'appliquer à PirateBox...

Concernant les équipages, j'ai également fusionné les différents templates et j'y ai apporté les fonctionnalités lang et nocat comme avec les projets. Ici, je distingue deux catégories seulement : une crew est soit active ou inactive. Je ne sais pas encore si le concept de crew archivée serait utile ?

Comme discuté dans la page de discussion de l'équipage Liégeois, la convention de nommage actuelle est trop restrictive. Je pense qu'il serait vraiment intéressant d'installer l'extension Maps permettant d'afficher une carte sur une page du wiki. On pourrait ainsi y lister les équipage sur une carte, ce qui réglerait la plupart de nos problèmes :D Cependant, cela nécessiterait une mise à jour du wiki (et de manière générale, j'aimerais attendre de pouvoir mettre à jour le wiki avant d'installer une quelconque extension).

J'ai également créer un template pour aider à la création d'un nouvel équipage : Templates Wiki/Empty Crew. C'est basé sur le même principe que pour les projets et les escouades. Notez que j'aimerais supprimer la notion d'escouade sur le wiki, car je trouve le concept trop flou. J'aimerais ne garder que les escouades opérationnelles, et fusionner les autres escouades avec le concept de projet.

Sinon, je viens de créer un template pour les réunions : Template:MeetingSidebar. Je pense qu'il est suffisamment facile à utiliser, mais n'hésitez pas à me dire s'il y a des choses à améliorer ;) J'espère pouvoir à terme utiliser le template Event qui s'occuperait de générer un événement associé à la réunion dans le calendrier du wiki (qui est pour le moment est inexistant il me semble). Mais ce n'est pas pour tout de suite je crois ^^'

Finalement, comme j'en discutais lors d'une réunion BW, je pense qu'il nous faudrait structurer un peu les pages de documentations, au moins à l'aide des catégories, mais il y a sans doute moyen de faire mieux. Un exemple de page de documentation est celle concernant ACTA, mais la page des PirateBox constitue elle aussi une page de documentation en soi.

--HgO (talk) 20:02, 12 November 2016 (CET)

En ce qui concerne les équipages, je viens de découvrir le template de Manu que je trouve beaucoup plus beau esthétiquement ^^ J'ai donc remplacé le design de l'ancien template par celui-ci. Est-ce que cela convient à tout le monde ?

J'ai également modifié les champs relatifs à l'adresse de l'équipage : suppression de la rue et ajout de la province et de la région. Je pense que cela n'avais pas de sens de donner une adresse précise à un équipage. Je préfère que l'on précise l'adresse lors des réunions, en fait. Ceci étant dit, je vois que l'équipage de Liège utilisait une adresse précise, je ne sais pas si c'était très important ?

Concernant les réunions, j'aimerais pouvoir utiliser mon modèle pour les Pirate Labs, mais il n'y a pas de notion d'agenda et de compte-rendu (ou du moins, ils sont uniquement sur le pad associé à la réunion. Si quelqu'un a des suggestions, je suis preneur :)

--HgO (talk) 11:50, 13 November 2016 (CET)

Super --ZeFredz (talk) 16:36, 3 December 2016 (CET)

Good job. Pour l'adresse précise de la crew, c'est pertinent si la crew a un lieu fixe de réunion (genre, vraiment fixe) comme les Bruxellois avaient l'Office par exemple. Si c'est un café et qu'on bouge parfois, c'est moins pertinent. S'il devait y avoir un critère, je dirai : "Est-ce que je peux déposer un document à cette adresse sans que ce document soit perdu ?". --Vanecx (talk) 13:26, 11 December 2016 (CET)

C'est fait :) Je n'avais pas d'idée pour le nom du lieu (j'aime bien « Point d'ancrage » pour l'adresse, mais je ne sais pas ce qu'on pourrait mettre qui irait bien avec). Et je ne sais pas du tout comment on dit « Point d'ancrage » en anglais et néerlandais... --HgO (talk) 17:48, 11 December 2016 (CET)

Très bonne idée les templates mais attention à ce que leur accessibilité soit excellente. Par exemple jusqu'ici je ne sais pas trop encore où je pourrais trouver celui pour créer une nouvelle réunion ou un event. Comment rendre les choses faciles d'accès ? --Valerie (talk) 20:45, 26 February 2017 (CET)

Pour le moment, ils sont listés ici, mais c'est vrai qu'ils ne sont pas très accessibles. Il y a aussi des formulaires pour les évènements, comme celui-ci, et j'ai rajouté un lien pour créer une nouvelle réunion/event un peu partout (dans les listes de réunion, dans les sidebar de réunion, etc.).

Mais je pense qu'on pourrait soit créer une catégorie qui contiendrait ce genre de pages, soit l'inclure dans la page Welcome ou dans n'importe quelle autre page d'aide. --HgO (talk) 09:21, 27 February 2017 (CET)

Mmmmmh je viens de réaliser un truc embêtant : ce que tu appelles des "événements" (qui sont en fait des pages wiki d'événements) ne sont pas synchro avec le site web, n'est-ce pas ? Potentiellement confusant. Et puis je tique toujours sur le mot "événement", je mettrais plutôt "créer une page d'événement". Peut-on rêver coupler le wordpress et le wiki pour la création d'événement dans le calendrier ? (ou de rendre possible un export vers le wordpress?). --Valerie (talk) 23:12, 28 February 2017 (CET)

Je dois encore en parler à l'IT Squad, mais l'agenda du wiki pourrait remplacer l'agenda du site web à terme. Il n'y a pas moyen de synchroniser avec le site web parce que le plugin du site web ne le permet pas. Plus précisément, il faudrait payer pour avoir droit à cette fonctionnalité... Donc, l'export des évènements du wiki fonctionne, c'est l'importation dans le wordpress qui n'est pas possible :(

Je ne sais pas, pour moi c'est pareil une page d'évènement et un évènement, non ? :/ --HgO (talk) 17:09, 2 March 2017 (CET)

Récapitulatif du Pirate Lab de Décembre 2016

Bonsoir !

Je récapitule en vitesse ce qui a été dit au lab:

• Modifier la page d'accueil pour la rendre plus intuitive.
  • Afficher une carte des prochaines réunions et des équipages (voir si cela est faisable)
  • Changer la couleur de la page (utiliser un mauve moins mauvais)
• Créer des headers pour indiquer si une page n'est plus à jour, est archivée, doit être traduite, etc.
  • Se renseigner si une extension ne fait pas déjà cela pour nous :)
• Nettoyer et repenser le menu et la sidebar pour éviter les répétitions.
• Créer une page par langue pour les pages « stables » (dont on sait qu'elles ne changeront pas souvent)
  • Voir si une extension n'existe pas déjà

Ilja a commencé un manuel qui servira de wiki workshop virtuel :) Merci à lui, and welcome on board Ilja :D (I'm sorry, I'm too tired to translate what I wrote...)

Voilà, je crois que c'est tout, mais j'ai sûrement oublié des trucs :/ --HgO (talk) 19:24, 3 December 2016 (CET)

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J'avais effectivement oublié la demande de Valérie pour afficher une barre de recherche en gros dans la page d'accueil (à la Duckduckgo). J'ai vu que cette extension est par défaut intégrée au wiki :

Pour ceux qui veulent, y a moyen de chipoter pour changer l'affichage, le nombre de bouton, les fonctionnalités de recherche, etc. (cf. page de l'extension) :D --HgO (talk) 16:39, 5 December 2016 (CET)

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Je pensais m'inspirer du template d'archivage des extensions de mediawiki, pour archiver les pages par exemple, ou les projets. Vous en pensez quoi ? Il y a d'autres templates qui m'ont l'air intéressants, idée à creuser donc :) --HgO (talk) 14:26, 7 December 2016 (CET)

Image width

Yo ! Does someone knows how to fix this ? The image is too large. Before the upgrade, the issue didn't occur... Thanks ! --HgO (talk) 19:40, 6 December 2016 (CET)

Je pense que c'est l'option upright=5 qui est pas correct. upright=3 devrait suffir. Found it there Image syntax.

Arigato !!! :D --HgO (talk) 22:56, 10 December 2016 (CET)

Email plugin?

Hello, there seems to be a problem with the <email> tag, as you can see here or here. The <email> tag is supposed to transform the email in an image so bots can't use it. Maybe it's a plugin not updated? --Vanecx (talk) 13:33, 16 December 2016 (CET)

Yep, the plugin is probably missing, but it was not avoiding any bot to suck a mail because in the source of the page, the email was dispalyed! And the bots are not only interested by the human readable view. They prefer the page sources.

That's why you can find emails written like tierce+@+pirateparty.be. Maybe we can find something else... --Tierce (talk) 14:43, 16 December 2016 (CET)

Ok so even when the plugin worked, it was useless and annoying for users... :D Thanks for the explanation. I think I'd rather display the email simply then, and keep receiving spam... A lot of people unfortunately have difficulties doing basic stuff like copy/paste, understanding a valid email address etc, so I'll stick to a "mailto:"

You can use the template @ by adding {{@}} instead of @. It will create an image, maybe that can stop some stupid robots, who knows ? :) I don't have any better solution at the moment, because all the extensions aren't maintained anymore... --HgO (talk) 20:16, 17 December 2016 (CET)

Organising the wiki

Currently in the labs we are looking to organise the wiki to make it more user-friendly and easy-accessible. Do we have a project page or anything like that for this project? Where ideas can be shared, proposals can be made...? And if not, is it OK to make one, and wich URL and pagename should I use for this?
One of the things we talked about was how to categorise pages (what tags should we have/use). I'm currently looking if I can make some sort of tree-structure of the tags that are currently used. As a resource on used tags I'm using this page. Maybe we can use this as a base to think more about how and what categories to use.
I believe we should also think about how we want to order the pages physically. By this I mean both the structure in the URL as well as the naming of the pages. I think we can find a lot of, both explicit and implicit, rules or guidelines by looking how the wiki is currently used. For example this page contains some explicit rules. Are there other resources for rules and guidelines like these? I'd like to bundle this so that we have a better overview on how the wiki is, should or could be build.
--Ilja (talk) 11:16, 18 December 2016 (CET)

I've made the tree on my sandbox :)

--Ilja (talk) 13:20, 18 December 2016 (CET)

Hello Ilja ! Sorry, I didn't see your message :/ I think this extension does what you are asking : https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CategoryTree :) I can install it if you wish :)

Help:Conventions is the only page with explicit conventions. Actually, it aims to gather all the conventions in use on the wiki :) You can make your suggestions on the talk page or in this thread.

Other rules and guidelines should be under the namespace Help:

Does this answer your questions ? :) --HgO (talk) 15:13, 7 February 2017 (CET)

Finally, there is no need to install an extension, you can just do a query as I did on my sandbox page :) However, this seems to be quite aggressive since it also lists removed categories. But I think that would be enough for what we need. The idea is to have something up-to-date, because I'm afraid to say that your list is already a bit outdated ^^'

Here is the code I used : {{#ask: [[Category:+]] | parent=Subcategory of | format = tree }} --HgO (talk) 11:38, 8 February 2017 (CET)

This did answer my question :D The Help:Conventions page is indeed something I think we need, although I believe we should expand it more. I'll think about things and propose as you said ;) Once this page is a bit more up to date, I can then link from the manual as well :)

There is not much conventions missing : we can remove the naming convention about Crew, as it was needed for listing the crews in the corresponding category. We need a naming convention for projects, and we already have a naming convention about meetings, although I don't think it's mentionned on the page yet... --HgO (talk) 17:09, 2 March 2017 (CET)

And the category tree is more to get an idea of how it is now, so that we may think about how we want it to be in the future (if we want to change this, of course), your tag works perfectly for that :) The [{{fullurl:Special:AllPages?from=&to=&namespace=12}} Help:] doesn't seem to link to anything, so I'm not sure what to think of that :/

Ah, indeed ! I made a mistake in the url, this should work now: Help: --HgO (talk) 17:09, 2 March 2017 (CET)

Also, I'll just make the page as I proposed and send a notification mail to the wiki-crew :p I'm not really used to on-line collaboration, but I do believe that that is the way to go? (You know, do what you think is best and hope people like it :p ) --Ilja (talk) 18:36, 28 February 2017 (CET)

I think that's a great idea :D --HgO (talk) 17:09, 2 March 2017 (CET)

Change log of February 2017

Hello guys !

So, as you probably noticed, I made some changes on the wiki these last weeks. Here is what I've done:

• I installed the Maps extension
  • Each crew and meeting display their location on a map under the sidebar
  • A map of every crews is displayed here and here.
• I created an template for archiving pages strongly inspired from this one
  • I archived a lot of inactive crews. You can see them in the Category:Archived Crew
• We now use a new naming convention for meetings. Every meeting should use the format Workgroup/Meeting/DD MM YYYY. For instance, see Pirate Lab/Meeting/25 02 2017
• I have implemented two forms for creating events : one for pirate beers and another for meetings. I strongly recommend you to use them because it will make life easier :)
• I created templates for automatically listing pirate beers and meetings organized by a given crew/workgroup. These templates can be found here (pirate beers) and there (meetings). Let me know if you think they are not enough documented !
• I created a template that displays events on a map.
• On the MeetingSidebar, there is now a link to the previous and next meeting organized by the same workgroup.
• I am currently merging Crew BW's agendas and minutes, as discussed on loomio

Ok, I think that's all ;) I probably forgot tons of things :p We still need to change the main page, the wiki sidebar and the top menu. See this section for details. I would also like to create a template that tells whether a page is outdated or need translation, etc. Unfortunately, I don't think I will have time anymore this month :( Cheers!! --HgO (talk) 15:38, 7 February 2017 (CET)

Finishing your exam's seems to give you mooooooore powaaaa! Thanks for everything you do to make this wiki better and better! --Tierce (talk) 18:31, 8 February 2017 (CET)

Removing postal code

Hello ! I'm thinking of removing the postal code information in events and crews. I'm not using it for displaying the crew/events on a map, and I think it's cumbersome when you create an event in a city for which you don't know the postal code... What do you think ? Do you see any benefit in keeping that information ? ^^' --HgO (talk) 13:23, 13 February 2017 (CET)

Personally I don't think it is in the way on the page and some people might like having a postal code when using their GPS to go to a place/city they don't know yet. And if people who create the event don't know the postal code, I presume they can still choose to leave it blank, so that shouldn't be a problem either. Personally, I'd just leave it --Ilja (talk) 18:45, 28 February 2017 (CET)

Ah, you are right: we can leave it blank :) I forgot about this, as I always want to fill every fields in the forms :p --HgO (talk) 17:09, 2 March 2017 (CET)

Translation system

Hey !! I've installed the Translate extension recently, and you can see its application on the Welcome/Guide, WikiSquad and Pirate Lab pages. Normally, everybody should be able to translate a page that is marked for translation. However, only admins will be able to mark a page for translation (this is the default settings, but I could change this). The reason is that we need to "prepare" the page before it can be translated by other people, by adding <translate></translate> tags, separating each paragraphs with new lines, etc. Then, the software will split each paragraph into a block to be translated.

In addition, everybody can change the source language of a page by going to this special page ;) This can be useful if you don't want to start a page in English :)

Finally, this extension allows us to display the different sidebars (CrewSidebar, MeetingSidebar, etc.), forms, and events table in the user selected language !! However, this feature is way too cumbersome to be applied to the entire wiki. I won't explain the details here, but for your information, here is the documentation page.

Please let me know if you find this extension useful, and if we can use it on the entire wiki :) Thanks ! --HgO (talk) 16:41, 23 February 2017 (CET)

I love this :D I really hated that pages were filled with three different languages, this solves that in a beautiful way! -Ilja (talk) 18:56, 28 February 2017 (CET)

Update: Do you think this extension would be relevant for us ? :D It provides a visual editor for translators (there is a nice video that shows everything) --HgO (talk) 17:36, 23 February 2017 (CET)

I don't have much experience with translating, but from what I see, it really does looks great :D -Ilja (talk) 18:56, 28 February 2017 (CET)

Good, I'll give it a try when I have time then :) --HgO (talk) 17:09, 2 March 2017 (CET)

Project sidebar

Hey ! I've done a new version of the project sidebar template. I would like to know your opinion about this :) Also, according to you, what would kind of information would you put on project sidebar ? What is missing ?

I would also add those sections on a project page:

• A description / introduction
• A list of objectives
• A list of meetings / events
• Some documentation / resources
• A roadmap
• A todo list

--HgO (talk) 19:16, 4 March 2017 (CET)

Summer Wiki Workshop

Hello ! (en français plus bas ;) )

As it was discussed during the internal democracy meeting, we would like to organize a wiki workshop in order to work on the structure of the wiki. This goes from the structure of a meeting page to the hierarchy of the categories.

I created a poll date to decide which date would suit best : https://framadate.org/uLvlsYFY7TOLWAUp Thanks for filling it ;) I set 2pm as the opening time, but it could be 1pm for instance. Let me know if you think we need to add weekdays to the poll...

For the meeting place, we can choose between:

• L'Espérance café (Brussels),
• D'autres mondes (Gembloux),
• Expression café (Mechelen).

Err I don't get what you mean by "wiki workshop": why not just a meeting? Can you explain a bit more what you have in mind? Thanks. --Valerie (talk) 09:40, 24 July 2017 (CEST)

Improving the wiki altogether. As we did last time in Gembloux or after some PirateLab in December, we would have some time to think about what we want to do, then we would put the theory in practice. Also, I want to give the opportunity for newcomers to participate to the wiki and have a better understanding of what needs to be done :) --HgO (talk) 11:27, 24 July 2017 (CEST)

Ok, so according to the date poll, we will do the workshop on Saturday 23rd September. Do you have any preference for the venue ? :) --HgO (talk) 10:23, 1 August 2017 (CEST)

I don't have preferences :) but 2pm rather than 1pm, so please keep that ;) --Ilja (talk) 21:00, 2 August 2017 (CEST)

I discuted the location choice in Crew BW's meeting, and then in ITSquad's meeting, and we decided to go for Gembloux :) I'm waiting for the confirmation now ;) --HgO (talk) 14:03, 15 August 2017 (CEST)

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Comme discuté lors de la réunion internal democracy meeting, certains d'entre nous aimeraient organiser un atelier wiki afin de travailler sur la structure du wiki. Cela irait de la structure d'une page de réunion à la hiérarchisation des catégories.

J'ai créé un sondage pour trouver une date qui conviendrait au plus grand nombre : https://framadate.org/uLvlsYFY7TOLWAUp Merci de le compléter ;) Notez que j'ai mis 14h pour l'heure d'ouverture, mais cela pourrait très bien être 13h par exemple. Aussi, dites-moi si vous pensez qu'il faut que je rajoute des jours de la semaine au sondage...

Pour le lieu, nous avons le choix entre:

• L'Espérance (Bruxelles),
• D'autres mondes (Gembloux),
• Expression (Malines).

--HgO (talk) 20:44, 23 July 2017 (CEST)

Bien, d'après le sondage, le workshop aura lieu le samedi 23 septembre. Est-ce que vous avez des préférences pour le lieu, du coup ? :) --HgO (talk) 10:23, 1 August 2017 (CEST)

Nous avons choisi Gembloux, j'attends encore la confirmation de la réservation --HgO (talk) 14:03, 15 August 2017 (CEST)

Ne pas intégrer les pads dans les pages

J'en parlais sur la pageTalk:Ministère_de_la_Démocratie mais je le remets ici:

Est-ce qu'on peut arrêter d’intégrer des pads «dans la page» ... c'est vraiment inconfortable pour la lecture ET c'est inaccessible pour les visiteurs qui n'ont pas l'habitude de ces pratiques (et ils sont nombreux à n'avoir jamais vu un pad). En plus c'est esthétiquement disgracieux. Et pour nous, les utilisateurs qui ont l'habitude, garder un lien vers un pad associé est, il me semble, bien suffisant.

Au lieu de mettre les pads dans la page, j'ajouterais un (des) lien(s) dans la ProjectSidebar vers les outils associés au projet (Minimum : un pad, une discussion Loomio, peut-être d'autres outils si/quand il y en a).

Tierce (talk) 22:09, 27 July 2017 (CEST)

J'ai l'impression de voir moins (-) de pad en pleine page et plus (+) de liens vers des pads. Si ce n'est pas que le fruit d'un heureux hasard, j'en remercie les auteurs! ^_^ --Tierce (talk) 03:10, 25 August 2017 (CEST)

Issue with the Calendar

There seems to be an issue with the .ics calendar, when it's imported in Google Agenda : there is a 2 hours time difference between the time on the wiki and the time of the events in the Google Agenda. Someone just reported that problem to me and I do have the same. It seems it's a timezone issue - it doesn't happen on Thunderbird though. Is there anything that can be done to fix this? :/ (yes, I know, stop using Google)

I tried by editing the ICS, added these lines :

BEGIN:VTIMEZONE

TZID:Europe/Brussels

TZURL:http://tzurl.org/zoneinfo/Europe/Brussels

X-LIC-LOCATION:Europe/Brussels

END:VTIMEZONE

There might be a need to add even more lines (for Daylight/Standard time), but so far I've tried and it now appears correctly in Google Agenda and I didn't break Thunderbird.

--Vanecx (talk) 13:38, 7 September 2017 (CEST)

As I said on the loomio discussion, this was a known bug (at least to me :p) in the extension. I opened an issue on Github, and I will work on this as soon as I have some time. Meanwhile, I made a patch on our wiki server, but this needs to be generalized to other timezones if I want to propose my solution to the extension's maintainers. --HgO (talk)

FYI, I opened a pull request with my solution :) --HgO (talk) 12:19, 29 September 2017 (CEST)

Icons

The noun project

I'll just drop this here...

--Vincent L. (talk) 22:06, 24 September 2017 (CEST)

See what I mean?

--HgO (talk) 22:25, 24 September 2017 (CEST)

I guess you suggest to use these icons in the survival guide, for instance ? Have I got it right ? :D --HgO (talk) 22:42, 24 September 2017 (CEST)

Tempting... I'm considering forking the survival guide. Do you know where I can find a sound database? --Vincent L. (talk) 17:42, 25 September 2017 (CEST)

Definitely better! --Vincent L. (talk) 18:19, 25 September 2017 (CEST)

GNOME Desktop icons

Talking about interface...--Vincent L. (talk) 00:22, 28 September 2017 (CEST)

To icon

At the end of last lab, we had a consensus on using the Shannon Thomas' icons that were already present in the mindmap for the survival guide. We have roughly three options:

• light theme : http://www.toicon.com/series/feather
• dark theme : http://www.toicon.com/series/stone
• ... or in color : http://www.toicon.com/series/avocado

In the lab, we decided to choose the dark theme, but I personally find the color theme very nice :)

Note: Some icons are already present on Wikimedia Commons, and are usually named "Toicon-icon-stone-something", "Toicon-icon-avocado-something", etc. --HgO (talk) 07:46, 29 October 2017 (CET)

Here is how it looks like with colored icons : Template:CalendarEvent/sandbox. I didn't find an appropriate icon for meetings, though :( Maybe we could take one from the dark theme, since there are more icons available. --HgO (talk) 12:15, 29 October 2017 (CET)

Why not using the dark theme for everything then ? I think it's better than having some icon in color and other not. --ZeFredz (talk) 13:32, 29 October 2017 (CET)

But which icon from the dark theme would you suggest ? :p Because even that is not obvious ^^'

I was just asking... forget what I said --ZeFredz (talk) 14:18, 29 October 2017 (CET)

I think the beer and meeting icons are swaped on the Template:CalendarEvent/sandbox page. --ZeFredz (talk) 15:50, 29 October 2017 (CET)

I've swapped the icons, it looks better indeed :) --HgO (talk) 18:52, 29 October 2017 (CET)

I was trying icons in color to see if it would fit with the color theme, and I'm very happy with the result I must say ^^ Also, with Renaud we were thinking that we could dedicate a color per category (e.g. red for projects, green for events, etc. (colors are just examples here)), but then we would need to modify the color of the five icons on the Main Page test --HgO (talk) 13:58, 29 October 2017 (CET)

I approve everything! Go for it. Fix later--Vincent L. (talk) 13:45, 29 October 2017 (CET)

Hm maybe we don't have the same understanding behind the word "meeting" ;p Anyhow, I find this icon funny in this context, so that would be ok for me. Plus, it already exists in color :

Thanks for the approval ! :) --HgO (talk) 13:58, 29 October 2017 (CET)

OK for me too --ZeFredz (talk) 14:18, 29 October 2017 (CET)

Icons have been updated now. Here is the color code :

Events : #8D3E93 (purple)

Projects (including Pirate Lab) : #6E9A4E (green)

Crew : #EAD13F (yellow)

Topics : #D24127 (red) --Vanecx (talk) 15:43, 29 October 2017 (CET)

So yes, we changed color for Crews, Projects, and Topics to match their icon's color. Events are left in purple. What do you think ? We can of course change the colors, they are not written in the stone ;) --HgO (talk) 18:52, 29 October 2017 (CET)

I'm done with my changes of the Main Page test. I'll apply the change to the current Main Page on 1st november (during next ITSquad meeting), if nobody disagree. --HgO (talk) 18:52, 29 October 2017 (CET)

That was really fast! Waow :-) Remarks on a couple of icons: the Survival Guide would be better with "to help" icon, and maybe the meeting icon could be better with the "to discuss" icon which is simpler and thus clearer if small? --Valerie (talk) 20:07, 29 October 2017 (CET)

Thanks :p That's because I was motivated ^^ and Renaud helped me, too. I've applied your suggestions, for me this looks good :) --HgO (talk) 20:41, 29 October 2017 (CET)

Woohooo \o/ great job, thanks !!!! :) --ZeFredz (talk) 20:44, 29 October 2017 (CET)

These icons are so cool that I miss not seeing them more. For instance when you click on the little crew boat, it would be nice if it showed just next to the category name, in the title :)

We can install this extension which seems to do exactly what you want : https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Title_Icon :D --HgO (talk) 09:45, 30 October 2017 (CET)

Tadaaa :D (it doesn't seem to work on talk page, though ^^') --HgO (talk) 10:24, 30 October 2017 (CET)

Changelog of September 2017

English

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Ahoy!

So, after our wiki workshop, I set up templates and forms for the topics feature (sidebar, empty template, form, etc.). The sidebar implements the features discussed at the workshop. I also modified the menu on the main page to have a link to the topics.

In addition, it is now possible to add one (or several) topics to the sidebar of a meeting, an external event, and a project. I also added the possibility to attach an image to these sidebars, as well as to the crew's sidebar. I also added links to the previous and next events of an external event (the meetings had already this feature), and I now display these links as an arrow icon. Finally, I added icons to the different sidebars in order to distinguish them more easily.

I have modified the forms to let users upload images. Then, I implemented a form to make the creation of project pages easier (in addition to the form for thopic pages).

Note that I solved a bug in the meetings and external events forms that occured when several workgroups were entered, because the name of the page created was slaughtered. Example: I create a meeting with "Crew BW, Pirate Lab" as workgroups. The page created was then named "Crew BW, Pirate Lab/Meeting/dd mm yyyy". Now, this will be: "Crew BW/Meeting/dd mm yyyy", because I only select the first workgroup. If the user did not specify a workgroup, but a topic, then the name will be based on that topic. To summarize:

• Workgroup/Meeting/dd mm yyyyy, if the user has specified one (or more) workgroup.
• Topic/Meeting/dd mm yyyyy, if the user did not specified a workgroup, but if he/she indicated one (or more) topic.
• Meeting/dd mm yyyyy mm, if the user has not specified a workgroup nor theme.

I also simplified the empty project template: I removed the header that I found quite heavy (see PirateBox). This has been useful for me for the implementation of the associated form. Does that suit to everyone ?

Regarding the projects, I have a question: When using the form, for the moment the generated page will be named "Project Title". But I could use the same principle as used for the meetings:"Workgroup/Project/Project title" and "Topic/Project/Project title". A discussion on this topic had taken place on the Improving the Wiki page. I just wanted to know what are you thoughts on this question ?

Finally, there is a suggestion that several people have made to me: to associate a color to each kind of sidebar in order to better distinguish them (the icons already help a little bit). For example, green for topics, red for projects, etc. I think this idea is great, but then we would need to agree on the colours...

Okay, I think that's all :D Arrrrh! --HgO (talk) 20:36, 27 September 2017 (CEST)

Français

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Ahoy !

Bien, suite à notre atelier wiki, j'ai mis en place les modèles et formulaires pour les thèmes (infobox, modèle vide, formulaire, etc.). L'infobox (= sidebar) reprend les fonctionnalités dont on a parlé lors de l'atelier. J'ai aussi modifié le menu sur la page principale pour avoir un lien vers les thèmes.

J'ai également rajouté la possibilité d'ajouter un thème à l'infobox d'une réunion, d'un évènement externe, et d'un projet. J'en ai profité pour permettre d'ajouter une image à ces infoboxes, ainsi qu'à celle des équipages. J'ai également rajouté des liens vers les évènements précédents et suivants d'un évènement externe (cette fonctionnalité existait déjà pour les réunions), et ces liens sont désormais affichés sous forme d'icônes (flèches). Enfin, j'ai rajouté des icônes aux différentes infobox de manière à les identifier plus facilement.

J'ai aussi modifié les formulaires pour permettre l'envoi d'image. Puis, j'ai implémenté un formulaire pour facilité la création des pages de projet (en plus du formulaire pour les pages de thème).

Notez que j'ai résolu un bug dans le formulaire des réunions et évènements externes qui faisait que lorsqu'on indiquait plusieurs groupes de travail, le nom de la page créée était massacré. Exemple : Je crée une réunion avec comme groupes de travail "Crew BW, Pirate Lab". La page créée avait alors comme nom "Crew BW, Pirate Lab/Meeting/dd mm yyyy". À présent, cela donnera : "Crew BW/Meeting/dd mm yyyy", car je ne sélectionne que le premier groupe de travail. Si l'utilisateur n'a pas indiqué de groupe de travail, mais un thème, alors le nom sera basé en fonction de ce thème. En résumé:

• Workgroup/Meeting/dd mm yyyy, si l'utilisateur a indiqué un (ou plusieurs) groupe de travail.
• Topic/Meeting/dd mm yyyy, si l'utilisateur n'a pas indiqué de groupe de travail, mais s'il a indiqué un (ou plusieurs) thème.
• Meeting/dd mm yyyy, si l'utilisateur n'a pas indiqué de groupe de travail ni de thème.

J'ai aussi simplifié le modèle vide des projets : j'ai enlevé le header que je trouvais assez lourd (voir par ex. PirateBox). Cela m'a été utile pour la création du formulaire associé. Est-ce que cela convient à tout le monde ?

Question en ce qui concerne les projets : Lorsqu'on utilise le formulaire, pour le moment la page générée aura pour nom "Titre du projet". Mais je pourrais très bien utiliser le même principe que pour les réunions : "Workgroup/Project/Titre du projet" et "Topic/Project/Titre du projet". Une discussion à ce sujet avait eu lieu sur la page pour améliorer le wiki. Je voulais juste savoir ce que vous en pensiez ?

Je termine avec une suggestion que plusieurs personnes m'ont faite : associer une couleur à chaque catégorie d'infobox afin de mieux les distinguer (les icônes aident déjà un peu). Par exemple, vert pour les thèmes, rouge pour les projets, etc. Perso, cette idée me semble bien, mais il faudrait alors se mettre d'accord sur les couleurs...

Voilà, je pense que c'est tout :D Arrrrh !! --HgO (talk) 20:36, 27 September 2017 (CEST)

Nederlands

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Te vertalen

Events formatting

Ahoy again ! ^-^

I tried a new design for the event listing, you can see the result here. What do you think about this ? Do you have any remarks / suggestions ?

I'll wait for everybody's approval before applying the changes to the agenda :) --HgO (talk) 17:08, 28 September 2017 (CEST)

I give my approval, nice job :) --Vanecx (talk) 17:13, 28 September 2017 (CEST)

Aye, cool stuff --Vincent L. (talk) 18:56, 28 September 2017 (CEST)

Wiki Interface Contest

First version online: https://wiki.pirateparty.be/User:Vincent.L/DashBoard --Vincent L. (talk) 18:50, 28 September 2017 (CEST)

I just have one question: What did you take ? And where can we get the same ? ^^'

Besides the serious tone you chose to use, I'm not a real fan of the icons theme. In addition, I personally think that we should stick to the same icons theme. So, if we decide to use the Gnome theme, then we should use it also in the sidebars, and conversely if we decide to use the Noun Project theme.

I like the idea of having icons for the top menu :) Maybe not that big though :p --HgO (talk) 20:02, 28 September 2017 (CEST)

Better now? --Vincent L. (talk) 23:17, 28 September 2017 (CEST)

Yes, thank you ! :) Another question: Are you really sure about the tone used ? ^^' --HgO (talk) 12:27, 29 September 2017 (CEST)

Well, it's my dashboard. It's probably not the version I'll present to the public but I like it this way. --Vincent L. (talk) 13:18, 29 September 2017 (CEST)

And what do you think of this interface: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join ?

Do you want my opinion on the project ? Well, I'm using OpenSUSE, but.. Oh. ^^'

I'd say I'm more and more tempted to change the skin of the wiki for a responsive one. But that's more a long-term view, and this would need quite a lot of work... For instance, this skin seems nice : https://foreground.wikiproject.net/wiki/Main_Page (see the skin page on mediawiki)

Regarding the icons (I guess this is what you are talking about?), mmh I don't really know actually :/ I like the idea of having an icon by section, but I don't like those icons :p --HgO (talk) 19:39, 24 October 2017 (CEST)

External events

Hi ! Josse told me that he had some concerns about the page listing future events. For him, when we are on the website and click on the "Calendar" link, we directly fall on the whole list of events, including external events (which are generally not organized by the Pirate Party). In my opinion, this is not really an issue, as it is clearly mentionned that those events are not organized by us, and there are icons to distinguish them from pirate events.

But I agree that the icons are not perfect, and that would be great if we could find better ones.

So, I'd like to hear your thoughts on this topic :) --HgO (talk) 12:54, 11 October 2017 (CEST)

Hi there. I like knowing where other pirates go, but I agree we could do more to avoid any ambiguity. Mabe a color code? Lighter color or grey filter for non-pirate event? --Vincent L. (talk) 14:41, 12 October 2017 (CEST)

Hi ! That's a great idea, I'm glad you suggested it ! ^-^ What do you think of this ? Of course, you can propose any shades of gray ;)

Maybe we could create a category Pirate Event which would include meeting and beers ? --HgO (talk) 19:24, 28 October 2017 (CEST)

Seems OK for me :) --ZeFredz (talk) 19:49, 28 October 2017 (CEST)

So I created the page, don't hesitate to improve it :) Then, we could decide to put it more in front (e.g. link from Category:Event). We could also decide to change the agenda link on the wordress to point to that new category. --HgO (talk) 20:25, 28 October 2017 (CEST)

Extension : export page to .odt or .pdf

Many groups that work with meeting reports usually have these meeting reports in a document (usually a MS Word file). So the switch from that usage to our wiki-oriented usage might be annoying for them. And it's quite annoying to just upload documents on the wiki as they are not very usable (searchable, editable...). So I was wondering if it wouldn't be a good idea to install an export extension, so that people who want to read a meeting report (in a document that can be read offline) just have to export a page in such a readable format. This way we keep the content on the wiki and offer more comfort to the users who are not hardcore wiki users. There is this extension or this one or that one. --Vanecx (talk) 15:11, 23 October 2017 (CEST)

I thought you were asking to import an .odt file so that it is converted into a wiki page :p That would be an interesting feature to have.

Anyways, regarding your request, note that there is a Firefox extension that does a nice job ;) I'm not against installing one of these extensions (probably the latter because it is marked as stable), but I'd need to test them, etc. So this might take some time ^^ --HgO (talk) 15:18, 23 October 2017 (CEST)

Flow : structured discussions

Hey !

I'd like to install StructuredDiscussions (aka Flow). This provides... structure for discussion pages ^-^ Instead of plain text with some titles, we have topics with a form to fill, and author's name and signature are automagically added. You can see how this looks like here for instance.

The problem is that it will archive the old plaintext discussions... There is no possibility to convert a current "topic" into Flow... --HgO (talk) 19:27, 24 October 2017 (CEST)

Okay, I enabled the extension on this wiki :p You can test it there ;) I would need an approval from everybody before applying this to each new talk page. We can also decide to archive existing talk pages and replace them with structured discussions. --HgO (talk) 06:09, 25 October 2017 (CEST)

New category : Pirate

HgO created a new category, which I also believe was still missing : Pirate (a person). So here is the new Pirate sidebar. There's even a map of Pirates, whoaaa. What do you think? Is there something missing/to be changed? And why haven't you updated yet your profile page?!?

Ohoh... What about the "disguise" icon for the pirates, instead of a fish? --Valerie (talk) 13:03, 31 October 2017 (CET)

But it isn't blue :o --HgO (talk) 13:11, 31 October 2017 (CET)

No but it isn't a fish :-P I can try and blueify it... --Valerie (talk) 22:09, 31 October 2017 (CET)

I already tried, with different blues, and it wasn't amazing :D --Vanecx (talk) 22:11, 31 October 2017 (CET)

I recommend we keep the colour code : #248EBC as it comes also from the toicon/avocado series