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Pirate Lab October 2019 Toicon-icon-avocado-discuss.svg
Workgroup Pirate Lab
Defining the values of PPBe
Date Sat 26 October 2019
Time 2:00pm - 5:00pm
Venue Taverne de la gare
Plateau de la Gare 33
1480 Tubize
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Pirate Lab March 2019

About this meeting

Meetings are open to everyone! You don't need to be a member to come here!
Pirate Labs can be seen as incubators for pirate projects. This is the perfect place for people to propose their ideas and to launch new projects.

If you have any ideas of projects, or want to help other projects, please do come!

We will use the meeting guidelines proposed by the internal democracy group. Please have a look at them before coming to the lab :)

Languages: English, français, nederlands

To-do list

  1. Define venue
  2. Confirm venue
  3. Create facebook event (then destroy facebook)


Lab starts at 2 pm. For those who want to lunch together before the lab, they can coordinate on the following pad:


Suggestions for the agenda happen on this pad. We strongly advise you to read the pad before coming to this lab!



Patrick, HgO, Renaud, Eve, JF


We had some issues with the internet connection, therefore we took notes on paper like in the old times.

Topics that attendees wished to work on :

First round

Table 1 : Braine en Commun

Reporting will be added here

Table 2 : Values

Renaud worked on the values. He scanned 3 different sources (the Basic Text of PPBe - in French, in Dutch, the obsolete Statutes of PPBe mostly written in 2012, and the European Manifesto). All values/principles/ideals that were mentioned positively were then added in a document. These values were then grouped in some categories and can be seen on this page

We discussed about this work. We agreed it would be very relevant to use axis instead of specific points, it would make it easier to read/understand. This could be linked with a work Patrick already produced in 2013.

We worked on some examples of axis :

  • Axis : Freedom of thought

<------ surrealism ----------- freedom of thought ---X------------------------------------------------------- conformism -------------------------- dogmatism ---------->

This reads like this : on the axis of Freedom of thought, PPBe stands around the "Freedom of thought", not in the extremes like surrealism or dogmatism and also not around conformism.

  • Axis : Distribution/dissemination of information by an authority

<-- (something more "extreme" than transparent?) ------------ Transparent ------------------------------------------------------------------- Opaque ------------------------->

Under the "transparent" idea, we promote the right to access documents, transparency, whistleblowing, etc...

  • Other axis we mentioned :

<------- trust ------------------------------------------------ control -------------->

<------- game ------------------------------------------------ reality -------------->

<------- centralized ------------------------------------------------ distributed/decentralized -------------->

We could create "meta-axis" also, that could help us prioritize the axis we create. For example Long Term vs. Short Term

To help us define the PPBe position on each axis, we discussed the idea of having students doing their thesis about this.

2nd round

As we still had some time, we continued together the work on the values.


The exercise on the values seems to be useful, and should help us later to define us and what we do better. On the negative side, it was a complex discussion. Having no internet was a practical issue during the lab.

Next Pirate Lab

Next Pirate Lab will happen in Brussels (Etterbeek), 30th November