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== Pirate Lab in Mons - September 26th, 2015 ==
== Pirate Lab in Mons - September 26th, 2015 ==


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=== Report ===
=== Report ===


1) GENERAL ASSEMBLY: end of January/mid February in Gent
'''1) GENERAL ASSEMBLY''':  


- crew Gent is looking for a place to do it (Tuin of Eden)
end of January/mid February in Gent
- topics and content: via Loomio 'Pirate Open Assembly'
-- membership administration and welcoming
-- IT and infrastructure: who is maintaining the site? what about mailing lists?
-- general internal workings: structures and how they do relate


2) MANIFESTO
crew Gent is looking for a place to do it (Tuin of Eden)


difference between program and manifesto:
topics and content: via Loomio 'Pirate Open Assembly'
- manifesto offers a vision, a dream
* membership administration and welcoming
- program offers details
* IT and infrastructure: who is maintaining the site? what about mailing lists?
* general internal workings: structures and how they do relate


three strategies:
'''2) MANIFESTO'''
1- group/common manifesto = one text for all of us:
-- better for the political party
-- link with tech pirates?
-- good for the outer world, to convince people who don't know the pirates yet
-- singular, clear, convincing
-- difficult to make one common text, process will be messy
-- we have to find a way to provide a text like that
-- Toon and Damiens are working on a singular text: working on technical solution for 'how can we write that manifesto and make it democratically sustained (with ammendments and way to support them) > will take time!!
-- Vincent: how to merge different texts > http://emerge.shoutwiki.com


2- compilation of individual manifesto's:
difference between program and manifesto:
-- better for the movement
* manifesto offers a vision, a dream
-- link with social/relational pirates?
* program offers details
-- a bit messy, not consistent for the outer world
-- good for the internal group: everyone gives input
-- also possible for groups and crews to write their own manifesto
-- put all the manifesto's in a word cloud > see which topics are huge, and which ones are small


3- combination of both: the are compatible
'''three strategies:'''
-- make sure that both groups are represented (relational and tech)
-- there is a spectrum with black and white, but also grey: there is much more than social pirates and tech pirates (simplification), we have to focus on the common
-- both approaches can be combined: we can start with the individual manifesto's, and keep working on the tool for the central one
-- make a questionnary as a guidline for writing: why are you a pirate?


TO DO LIST !!!!!
'''* 1- group/common manifesto = one text for all of us:'''
1-- motivate people to write an individual manifesto (wait a little bit for the questionnary)
** better for the political party
2-- make a questionnary: gather input for the common manifesto (Toon, Danny, Pascal, Jonas, Josse, Tim) > Toon is taking initiative on the Manifesto Working Group on Facebook
** link with tech pirates?
3-- tool to make a common manifesto, we have the input already from the questionnary (Toon and Damiens)
** good for the outer world, to convince people who don't know the pirates yet
** singular, clear, convincing
** difficult to make one common text, process will be messy
** we have to find a way to provide a text like that
** Toon and Damiens are working on a singular text: working on technical solution for 'how can we write that manifesto and make it democratically sustained (with ammendments and way to support them) > will take time!!
** Vincent: how to merge different texts > http://emerge.shoutwiki.com


3) SYMPOSIUM
'''* 2- compilation of individual manifesto's:'''
** better for the movement
** link with social/relational pirates?
** a bit messy, not consistent for the outer world
** good for the internal group: everyone gives input
** also possible for groups and crews to write their own manifesto
** put all the manifesto's in a word cloud > see which topics are huge, and which ones are small


Questions:  
'''* 3- combination of both: the are compatible'''
1- Is it a pirate event or not?
** make sure that both groups are represented (relational and tech)
** there is a spectrum with black and white, but also grey: there is much more than social pirates and tech pirates (simplification), we have to focus on the common
** both approaches can be combined: we can start with the individual manifesto's, and keep working on the tool for the central one
** make a questionnary as a guidline for writing: why are you a pirate?  


- Two kinds of approach for events like this:
'''TO DO LIST !!!!!'''
-- 'these are subject we as pirates are interested in, and that's why we invited authorities'
* 1- motivate people to write an individual manifesto (wait a little bit for the questionnary)
-- these speakers are pirates and they speak in our name
* 2- make a questionnary: gather input for the common manifesto (Toon, Danny, Pascal, Jonas, Josse, Tim) > Toon is taking initiative on the Manifesto Working Group on Facebook
not all three speakers are 'official pirates', so we chose first approach
* 3- tool to make a common manifesto, we have the input already from the questionnary (Toon and Damiens)


- who is organizing and paying?
'''3) SYMPOSIUM'''
-- financial account of Pirate Party Belgium
-- organization by P42 (vzw/asbl linked to Brussels pirate crew)
- who is our public?
-- pirates and non-pirates


2- How do we fund the event?
Questions:  
 
- ask people to pay an entrance fee (idea not supported)
- put a donation box !!!
- sell things? pins or buttons?
- we want to keep it simple
 
if speakers want to sell books:
- they announce it and organize it themselves


3- How do we promote the event?
'''1- Is it a pirate event or not?'''
* Two kinds of approach for events like this:
** 'these are subject we as pirates are interested in, and that's why we invited authorities'
** these speakers are pirates and they speak in our name
***not all three speakers are 'official pirates', so we chose first approach
* who is organizing and paying?
** financial account of Pirate Party Belgium
** organization by P42 (vzw/asbl linked to Brussels pirate crew)
* who is our public?
** pirates and non-pirates


- boost the event by paying on Facebook:
'''2- How do we fund the event?'''
-- the host of the event (Pirate Party Belgium) can boost it
* ask people to pay an entrance fee (idea not supported)
-- ask supporters to boost it (Promote Event)
* put a donation box !!!
-- visibility is very low when you don't pay: Facebook is playing trics
* sell things? pins or buttons?
- sharing event on Facebook pages related to basic income (everyone can do this individually)  
* we want to keep it simple
- spread it through event websites (mention: 'sponsored by Pirate Party Belgium' instead of 'organized by PP Be)
-- Politics.be, basisinkomen.be, Oikos, ...
- Twitter? what about the pirate Twitter accounts?
- flyers?  
-- graphic design? (brother of Danny!)
-- flyer in pdf: digital flyers to spread on the internet, people can print it  
-- paper prints for universities, student bars, ...


4- Do we stream or film the event?
* if speakers want to sell books:
** they announce it and organize it themselves


- no live streaming, can easily go wrong
'''3- How do we promote the event?'''
- record and make a promotion film for social media??
* boost the event by paying on Facebook:
-- we need:  
** the host of the event (Pirate Party Belgium) can boost it
--- cameraman and technical crew
** ask supporters to boost it (Promote Event)
--- someone for montage
** visibility is very low when you don't pay: Facebook is playing trics
--- material: good camera + statief
* sharing event on Facebook pages related to basic income (everyone can do this individually)
* spread it through event websites (mention: 'sponsored by Pirate Party Belgium' instead of 'organized by PP Be)
** Politics.be, basisinkomen.be, Oikos, ...
* Twitter? what about the pirate Twitter accounts?
* flyers?  
** graphic design? (brother of Danny!)
** flyer in pdf: digital flyers to spread on the internet, people can print it
** paper prints for universities, student bars, ...


5- How do we welcome new people and keep in touch?
'''4- Do we stream or film the event?'''
* no live streaming, can easily go wrong
* record and make a promotion film for social media??
** we need:
*** cameraman and technical crew
*** someone for montage
*** material: good camera + statief


- information about pirates: flyers
'''5- How do we welcome new people and keep in touch?'''
- mailing lists: gather mail adresses on paper !!!
* information about pirates: flyers
-- note on mailing lists:
* mailing lists: gather mail adresses on paper !!!
--- can be used to send invitation for the event!!
** note on mailing lists:
--- mailing lists should be cleaned up
*** can be used to send invitation for the event!!
--- huge work: there is no collection of all addresses in one place, there are many different mailinglists and in there you have all the different addresses
*** mailing lists should be cleaned up
--- we have to get it straight before we start using it again: bad impression
*** huge work: there is no collection of all addresses in one place, there are many different mailinglists and in there you have all the different addresses
--- avoid massive spam
*** we have to get it straight before we start using it again: bad impression
*** avoid massive spam


TO DO LIST !!!!!
'''TO DO LIST !!!!!'''
- start marketing and promotion: share the event through Twitter and Facebook (everyone)
* start marketing and promotion: share the event through Twitter and Facebook (everyone)
- send event to specialised event websites
* send event to specialised event websites
- cleaning up mailing lists? (huge work, will be topic of GA)
* cleaning up mailing lists? (huge work, will be topic of GA)
- camera and staief (Pascal and Toon)
* camera and staief (Pascal and Toon)
- digital registration form (EventBright?) 'come early, full is full'
* digital registration form (EventBright?) 'come early, full is full'
- digital flyer (brother Danny)
* digital flyer (brother Danny)


=== Pad ===
=== Pad ===


[http://piratepad.be/p/piratelab_labs direct link to the pad]
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Pirate Lab in Mons - September 26th, 2015

On Saturday September 26th, 2015 at Café Europa, Mons

Open at 12am, Lab starts at 1pm.

Topics

  • 1) General Assembly
  • 2) Manifesto
  • 3) Symposium

Report

1) GENERAL ASSEMBLY:

end of January/mid February in Gent

crew Gent is looking for a place to do it (Tuin of Eden)

topics and content: via Loomio 'Pirate Open Assembly'

  • membership administration and welcoming
  • IT and infrastructure: who is maintaining the site? what about mailing lists?
  • general internal workings: structures and how they do relate

2) MANIFESTO

difference between program and manifesto:

  • manifesto offers a vision, a dream
  • program offers details

three strategies:

* 1- group/common manifesto = one text for all of us:

    • better for the political party
    • link with tech pirates?
    • good for the outer world, to convince people who don't know the pirates yet
    • singular, clear, convincing
    • difficult to make one common text, process will be messy
    • we have to find a way to provide a text like that
    • Toon and Damiens are working on a singular text: working on technical solution for 'how can we write that manifesto and make it democratically sustained (with ammendments and way to support them) > will take time!!
    • Vincent: how to merge different texts > http://emerge.shoutwiki.com

* 2- compilation of individual manifesto's:

    • better for the movement
    • link with social/relational pirates?
    • a bit messy, not consistent for the outer world
    • good for the internal group: everyone gives input
    • also possible for groups and crews to write their own manifesto
    • put all the manifesto's in a word cloud > see which topics are huge, and which ones are small

* 3- combination of both: the are compatible

    • make sure that both groups are represented (relational and tech)
    • there is a spectrum with black and white, but also grey: there is much more than social pirates and tech pirates (simplification), we have to focus on the common
    • both approaches can be combined: we can start with the individual manifesto's, and keep working on the tool for the central one
    • make a questionnary as a guidline for writing: why are you a pirate?

TO DO LIST !!!!!

  • 1- motivate people to write an individual manifesto (wait a little bit for the questionnary)
  • 2- make a questionnary: gather input for the common manifesto (Toon, Danny, Pascal, Jonas, Josse, Tim) > Toon is taking initiative on the Manifesto Working Group on Facebook
  • 3- tool to make a common manifesto, we have the input already from the questionnary (Toon and Damiens)

3) SYMPOSIUM

Questions:

1- Is it a pirate event or not?

  • Two kinds of approach for events like this:
    • 'these are subject we as pirates are interested in, and that's why we invited authorities'
    • these speakers are pirates and they speak in our name
      • not all three speakers are 'official pirates', so we chose first approach
  • who is organizing and paying?
    • financial account of Pirate Party Belgium
    • organization by P42 (vzw/asbl linked to Brussels pirate crew)
  • who is our public?
    • pirates and non-pirates

2- How do we fund the event?

  • ask people to pay an entrance fee (idea not supported)
  • put a donation box !!!
  • sell things? pins or buttons?
  • we want to keep it simple
  • if speakers want to sell books:
    • they announce it and organize it themselves

3- How do we promote the event?

  • boost the event by paying on Facebook:
    • the host of the event (Pirate Party Belgium) can boost it
    • ask supporters to boost it (Promote Event)
    • visibility is very low when you don't pay: Facebook is playing trics
  • sharing event on Facebook pages related to basic income (everyone can do this individually)
  • spread it through event websites (mention: 'sponsored by Pirate Party Belgium' instead of 'organized by PP Be)
    • Politics.be, basisinkomen.be, Oikos, ...
  • Twitter? what about the pirate Twitter accounts?
  • flyers?
    • graphic design? (brother of Danny!)
    • flyer in pdf: digital flyers to spread on the internet, people can print it
    • paper prints for universities, student bars, ...

4- Do we stream or film the event?

  • no live streaming, can easily go wrong
  • record and make a promotion film for social media??
    • we need:
      • cameraman and technical crew
      • someone for montage
      • material: good camera + statief

5- How do we welcome new people and keep in touch?

  • information about pirates: flyers
  • mailing lists: gather mail adresses on paper !!!
    • note on mailing lists:
      • can be used to send invitation for the event!!
      • mailing lists should be cleaned up
      • huge work: there is no collection of all addresses in one place, there are many different mailinglists and in there you have all the different addresses
      • we have to get it straight before we start using it again: bad impression
      • avoid massive spam

TO DO LIST !!!!!

  • start marketing and promotion: share the event through Twitter and Facebook (everyone)
  • send event to specialised event websites
  • cleaning up mailing lists? (huge work, will be topic of GA)
  • camera and staief (Pascal and Toon)
  • digital registration form (EventBright?) 'come early, full is full'
  • digital flyer (brother Danny)

Pad

direct link to the pad