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== Reporting == | == Reporting == | ||
=== Attending === | |||
Patrick, HgO, Renaud, Eve, JF | |||
=== Roundtable === | |||
We had some issues with the internet connection, therefore we took notes on paper like in the old times. | |||
Topics that attendees wished to work on : | |||
* Pirate values, | |||
*[https://www.loomio.org/d/xayv4Jto/r-action-pirate-aux-d-clarations-de-politique-g-n-rale-wallonie-wallonie-bruxelles- policy statement by the government of Wallonia], | |||
*urbanization project in Brussels (Josaphat), | |||
*[https://braine-en-commun.be/ Braine En Commun], | |||
*[https://interieur.wallonie.be/politiques-locales/pst-pcs/pst/139962 Plan Stratégique Transversal], | |||
*1st page of the website | |||
=== First round === | |||
==== Table 1 : Braine en Commun ==== | |||
Reporting will be added here | |||
==== Table 2 : Values ==== | |||
Renaud worked on the values. He scanned 3 different sources (the Basic Text of PPBe - in [https://fr.pirateparty.be/texte-de-base/ French], in [https://nl.pirateparty.be/basistekst/ Dutch], the obsolete [https://wiki.pirateparty.be/images/9/9f/Ppbe-statutes-fr_be.pdf Statutes of PPBe] mostly written in 2012, and the [https://wiki.ppeu.net//doku.php?id=statutes:manifesto European Manifesto]). All values/principles/ideals that were mentioned positively were then added in a document. These values were then grouped in some categories and can be seen [[User:Vanecx/Pirate_Values|on this page]] | |||
We discussed about this work. We agreed it would be very relevant to use axis instead of specific points, it would make it easier to read/understand. This could be linked with [[Events/GA:2013/Proposition_2.3FR|a work Patrick already produced in 2013]]. | |||
We worked on some examples of axis : | |||
* Axis : Freedom of thought | |||
<------ surrealism ----------- freedom of thought ---X------------------------------------------------------- conformism -------------------------- dogmatism ----------> | |||
This reads like this : on the axis of Freedom of thought, PPBe stands around the "Freedom of thought", not in the extremes like surrealism or dogmatism and also not around conformism. | |||
* Axis : Distribution/dissemination of information by an authority | |||
<-- (something more "extreme" than transparent?) ------------ Transparent ------------------------------------------------------------------- Opaque -------------------------> | |||
Under the "transparent" idea, we promote the right to access documents, transparency, whistleblowing, etc... | |||
* Other axis we mentioned : | |||
<------- trust ------------------------------------------------ control --------------> | |||
<------- game ------------------------------------------------ reality --------------> | |||
<------- centralized ------------------------------------------------ distributed/decentralized --------------> | |||
We could create "meta-axis" also, that could help us prioritize the axis we create. For example Long Term vs. Short Term | |||
To help us define the PPBe position on each axis, we discussed the idea of having students doing their thesis about this. | |||
=== 2nd round === | |||
As we still had some time, we continued together the work on the values. | |||
=== Closing === | |||
The exercise on the values seems to be useful, and should help us later to define us and what we do better. On the negative side, it was a complex discussion. Having no internet was a practical issue during the lab. | |||
== Next Pirate Lab == | == Next Pirate Lab == | ||
Next Pirate Lab will happen in Brussels (Etterbeek), 30th November |
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Date | Sat 26 October 2019 | ||
Time | 2:00pm - 5:00pm | ||
Venue | Taverne de la gare | ||
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Pirate Lab March 2019
About this meeting
Meetings are open to everyone! You don't need to be a member to come here!
Pirate Labs can be seen as incubators for pirate projects. This is the perfect place for people to propose their ideas and to launch new projects.
If you have any ideas of projects, or want to help other projects, please do come!
We will use the meeting guidelines proposed by the internal democracy group. Please have a look at them before coming to the lab :)
Languages: English, français, nederlands
To-do list
Define venueConfirm venue- Create facebook event (then destroy facebook)
Preparation
Lab starts at 2 pm. For those who want to lunch together before the lab, they can coordinate on the following pad:
https://pad.parley.be/p/Piratelab2019-October
Suggestions for the agenda happen on this pad. We strongly advise you to read the pad before coming to this lab!
Reporting
Attending
Patrick, HgO, Renaud, Eve, JF
Roundtable
We had some issues with the internet connection, therefore we took notes on paper like in the old times.
Topics that attendees wished to work on :
- Pirate values,
- policy statement by the government of Wallonia,
- urbanization project in Brussels (Josaphat),
- Braine En Commun,
- Plan Stratégique Transversal,
- 1st page of the website
First round
Table 1 : Braine en Commun
Reporting will be added here
Table 2 : Values
Renaud worked on the values. He scanned 3 different sources (the Basic Text of PPBe - in French, in Dutch, the obsolete Statutes of PPBe mostly written in 2012, and the European Manifesto). All values/principles/ideals that were mentioned positively were then added in a document. These values were then grouped in some categories and can be seen on this page
We discussed about this work. We agreed it would be very relevant to use axis instead of specific points, it would make it easier to read/understand. This could be linked with a work Patrick already produced in 2013.
We worked on some examples of axis :
- Axis : Freedom of thought
<------ surrealism ----------- freedom of thought ---X------------------------------------------------------- conformism -------------------------- dogmatism ---------->
This reads like this : on the axis of Freedom of thought, PPBe stands around the "Freedom of thought", not in the extremes like surrealism or dogmatism and also not around conformism.
- Axis : Distribution/dissemination of information by an authority
<-- (something more "extreme" than transparent?) ------------ Transparent ------------------------------------------------------------------- Opaque ------------------------->
Under the "transparent" idea, we promote the right to access documents, transparency, whistleblowing, etc...
- Other axis we mentioned :
<------- trust ------------------------------------------------ control -------------->
<------- game ------------------------------------------------ reality -------------->
<------- centralized ------------------------------------------------ distributed/decentralized -------------->
We could create "meta-axis" also, that could help us prioritize the axis we create. For example Long Term vs. Short Term
To help us define the PPBe position on each axis, we discussed the idea of having students doing their thesis about this.
2nd round
As we still had some time, we continued together the work on the values.
Closing
The exercise on the values seems to be useful, and should help us later to define us and what we do better. On the negative side, it was a complex discussion. Having no internet was a practical issue during the lab.
Next Pirate Lab
Next Pirate Lab will happen in Brussels (Etterbeek), 30th November