Events/EGA:2013-09/Notes

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Voting

Introduced a third option for voting: next to

  • "yes" (green) or
  • "no" (red)

we introduce

  • "postponed" (white): voted unanimously yes
  • Minimum of 2 votes difference, else postponed automatically
  • Not 50% for green, then it is not yes?

Note takers:

  • sandb
  • Vincent L.
  • fred m.

Everybody counts votes if it's a close call.

General remark: Rejected does not mean it definitely Rejected,

Discussion on voting; do we go for classic voting and forgo the adaption?

  • 21 yes
  • 3 no
  • Accepted

Motion 1: The Pirateparty Programme

[1.1] Proposal for an "Introduction for the party programme"

1:

  • Status: Rejected

2.1:

  • Status: Accepted
  • Notes:
    • French version is leading version
    • translation problem: radicale democratie should be directe democratie

2.2:

  • Status: Accepted

2.3:

  • Status: Accepted

2.4:

  • Status: Accepted

3:

  • Status: Rejected/Postponed

4:

  • Status: Rejected

5:

  • Status: Rejected
  • Votes for: 14
  • Votes against: 19

[1.2] Freedoms and civilian rights

6:

  • Status: Accepted

7:

  • Status: Accepted
  • Votes for: 23
  • Votes against: 13

8:

  • Status: Accepted
  • Notes:
    • better written version of 9

9:

  • Status: Rejected
  • Votes for: 15
  • Votes against: 24

10:

  • Status: Accepted

11:

  • Status: {{{2}}}
  • Votes for: 21
  • Votes against: 17
  • Notes:
    • this definition can be applied to every company
    • required recount
    • how could we make anyone liable to use public facilities?

12:

  • Status: Accepted

13:

  • Status: Accepted
  • Notes:
    • Assange is not a wistleblower
    • better if names were removed
    • Voted as is, but could use an amendment

14:

  • Status: Accepted
  • Notes:
    • Better definition required for "net neutrality".

15:

  • Status: Accepted
  • Notes:
    • It's more or less already in there: but remarks about only postal system and human rights with similar initiative.

16:

  • Status: Rejected
  • Notes:
    • Factual issue in the proposal since the press can be censored, what about private data protection

17:

  • Status: Accepted
  • Votes for: 24
  • Votes against: 11
  • Notes:
    • Fuzzy language

18:

  • Status: Rejected
  • Notes:
    • what is "democratie radicale"?
    • is it "imposed democracy" ;)
    • We need another word than "radical" (2.1)

[1.3] Domestic politics and democracy

19:

  • Status: Rejected
  • Votes for: 14
  • Votes against: 24

20:

  • Status: Rejected
  • Notes:
    • fuzzy "what's being for the referendum?"
    • how do we define referendum?

21:

  • Status: Postponed
  • Votes for: 18
  • Votes against: 16

22:

  • Status: Rejected
  • Notes:
    • what does that mean?
    • we already have justice system

23:

  • Status: Accepted
  • Notes:
    • This is about someone who's been elected, not for candidates;

24:

  • Status: Accepted
  • Votes for: 20
  • Notes:
    • The proposal is too vague, too general

25:

  • Status: Rejected
  • Notes:
    • What do we mean by recognize? (aknowledge existence or legitimity ?)

26:

  • Status: Rejected
  • Notes:
    • Same remark as 25.

[1.4] Economics

27:

  • Status: Accepted

28:

  • Status: Accepted

29:

  • Status: Accepted
  • Votes for: 25
  • Notes:
    • Vague and fuzzy?
    • Ambiguous?
    • What does local economy mean?
    • Does it mean protectionism?
    • note: does not explain, also does not say protectionism

30:

  • Status: Rejected/Postponed
  • Notes:
    • What does "resource" means; answer from author: means "resource based economy" needs clarification

31:

  • Status: Accepted
  • Votes for: 20
  • Votes against: 13
  • Notes:
    • what's "alternative economy"?
    • see examples

32:

  • Status: Rejected
  • Votes for: 14
  • Votes against: 18

33:

  • Status: Rejected
  • Notes:
    • not clear on what it really means

34:

  • Status: Rejected
  • Notes:
    • it's a statement, not a program point or opinion

35:

  • Status: Accepted

36:

  • Status: Rejected
  • Notes:
    • need to change EU laws for that
    • the first part is already in 27

37:

  • Status: Accepted

38:

  • Status: Accepted

39:

  • Status: Accepted
  • Notes:
    • universal basic income (everyone)
    • what's the definition of basic income?
    • also remarked: "factual error, labour is not an economic product"

40:

  • Status: Accepted
  • Notes:
    • minimun wage (working people only)

41:

  • Status: Accepted

42:

  • Status: Rejected
  • Notes:
    • this is demagogy, ideology, unclear, fuzzy

43:

  • Status: Rejected
  • Notes:
    • implies corporate citizenship? (==a company is having same right as a citizen)

44:

  • Status: Rejected

45:

  • Status: Rejected
  • Notes:
    • awfully stated

46:

  • Status: Postponed
  • Votes for: 17
  • Votes against: 15
  • Notes:
    • European law problem;
    • Very hard to realize

47:

  • Status: Accepted

48:

  • Status: Rejected
  • Votes for: 10
  • Votes against: 18
  • Notes:
    • Who is "them"?
    • Pirates or citizens?

49:

  • Status: Accepted

50:

  • Status: Accepted

51:

  • Status: Accepted
  • Notes:
    • Should state "a public audit" or something like that

52:

  • Status: Rejected
  • Notes:
    • cannot be done in only one country,
    • should explicitely read a wage/profit "ratio".
    • is missing clear definition and is quite populist position;
    • how would we explain this to a journalist

53:

  • Status: Rejected

54:

  • Status: Rejected
  • Votes for: 14
  • Votes against: 17
  • Notes:
    • lower cap but also upper cap limitation, should maybe say minimally

[1.5] Banks

55:

  • Status: Rejected
  • Notes:
    • Too vague,
    • should say public financing (with money from the state),
    • also who would finance a bank that has gone bust anyway?
    • too anecdoctical, lack of big picture.

56:

  • Status: Accepted
  • Notes:
    • the national part could be left out

57:

  • Status: Rejected

We interuppted voting because we are quickly running out-of-time;

  • a proposal was made to deal with this problem
    • whatever is not voted here today will be submitted on getopinionated
    • and will be voted on getopinionated
    • and will be valid as if elected on the EGA
    • with voting closing before the first november
    • only members will be able to vote: each Pirate will receive his/her membership via email, and then registrations will be closed (for security).
    • only proposals from the program will be voted
  • the proposal was accepted,
  • a decision was made to continue up until proposal 62 and to end before point "1.6 Labour social affairs".

58:

  • Status: Rejected
  • Notes:
    • unclear: what are policticians, while they are active or allways; only banks? ... ?

59:

  • Status: Accepted unanymously

60:

  • Status: Rejected

61:

  • Status: Rejected
  • Notes:
    • This would mean we have to exit the euro

62:

  • Status: Accepted
  • Notes:
    • What is a dubious investment? Who defines it?)

EOEGA- End of General Assembly

  • BIG THX TO ORGANISERS!!
  • End at 17:50