Talk:Events/EGA:2012/Proposition 1.1

While I can understand that some see the need for a lefty flemish nationalist party, like the proposers have already told/been told, I can not imagine how such a party could be build under the Pirate flag. Pirates are neither left nor right. You can not have a rather lefty Pirate Party in Flanders because initial Flanders pirates think they are overwhelmingly lefty, and then exclude any Flemish pirate not lefty enough from the party, and it would be a laugh if then you had a predominantly righty Walloon Pirate Party excluding lefty people, and that all pirates could only be completely happy in Brussels where the party is 306 degrees and even accepts English, and Swahili if needed to understand people in some neighbourhoods.

Mentioning language problems, such as the difficulties that arise when working in any and each of three official languages at once, and saying that different parties each working with its own single language would be a much easier to handle situation, is something like trying to forget the de facto multicultural situation in Brussels and also Flanders and Wallonia. Pirates are inclusive, and in each of the three regions there are an awful lot of people that are not necessarily fluent in the one, or two, official languages.

I believe each should try to express himself in the language he best dominates trying to convey the message to the public he wants to reach, accommodating as much as FEASIBLE to whatever would be best to be understood as fluently as possible. As Pirates, this means that each should do its best to adapt to the expected audience, but also that in a bid for non-exclusion the audience should make all possible efforts to evaluate the need to listen to someone in a strange language, if needed by looking for translation services. Attempts to assure a low-effort environment by excluding anyone not talking the mothertongue of the region he happens to be in when addressing the Pirates... go against the real pirate spirit (see Pirate Codex).

Excluding people from participation because of their inability to speak one language or another... is plain discrimination, no matter with how much sugar and excuses you try to argue. Not to be tolerated under the Pirate flag.

The cited precedent of the Catalan Pirate Party, while obviously there for the superficial observer to instrumentalize, is far from being consolidated. The irregularities committed at the 2012 PPI General Assembly have the Swiss Pirate Party still threatening to sue the CoA and the PPI before the ordinary courts of Justice, and the PPI bureaucracy rudely playing stalling tactics to leave everything on the table until the next General Assembly, leaving the PPI without a properly working Court of Arbitration until then.

By all existing rules... the Catalan Pirate Party should not have been admitted as a full member of the PPI at the 2012 PPI GA in Prague, and as soon as PPI resumes working coherently they will loose this full member status and responsibilities and liabilities incurred in tolerating this awkward state of affairs in PPI will have consequences.

Antonio.