Events/EGA:2013-09/Notes

Voting

Introduced a third option for voting: next to

• "yes" (green) or
• "no" (red)

we introduce

• "postponed" (white): voted unanimously yes

Q:

• Minimum of 2 votes difference, else postponed automatically
• Not 50% for green, then it is not yes?

Note takers:

• sandb
• Vincent L.
• fred m.

Everybody counts votes if it's a close call.

General remark: Rejected does not mean it definitely Rejected,

Discussion on voting; do we go for classic voting and forgo the adaption?

• 21 yes
• 3 no
• Accepted, classic voting

Motion 1: The Pirateparty Programme

[1.1] Proposal for an "Introduction for the party programme"

1:

• Status: Rejected

2.1:

• Status: Accepted
• Notes:
  • French version is leading version
  • translation problem: radicale democratie should be directe democratie

2.2:

• Status: Accepted

2.3:

• Status: Accepted

2.4:

• Status: Accepted

3:

• Status: Rejected/Postponed

4:

• Status: Rejected

5:

• Status: Rejected
• Votes for: 14
• Votes against: 19

[1.2] Freedoms and civilian rights

6:

• Status: Accepted

7:

• Status: Accepted
• Votes for: 23
• Votes against: 13

8:

• Status: Accepted
• Notes:
  • better written version of 9

9:

• Status: Rejected
• Votes for: 15
• Votes against: 24

10:

• Status: Accepted

11:

• Status: Accepted
• Votes for: 21
• Votes against: 17
• Notes:
  • this definition can be applied to every company
  • required recount
  • how could we make anyone liable to use public facilities?

12:

• Status: Accepted

13:

• Status: Accepted
• Notes:
  • Assange is not a wistleblower
  • better if names were removed
  • Voted as is, but could use an amendment

14:

• Status: Accepted
• Notes:
  • Better definition required for "net neutrality".

15:

• Status: Accepted
• Notes:
  • It's more or less already in there: but remarks about only postal system and human rights with similar initiative.

16:

• Status: Rejected
• Notes:
  • Factual issue in the proposal since the press can be censored, what about private data protection

17:

• Status: Accepted
• Votes for: 24
• Votes against: 11
• Notes:
  • Fuzzy language

18:

• Status: Rejected
• Notes:
  • what is "democratie radicale"?
  • is it "imposed democracy" ;)
  • We need another word than "radical" (2.1)

[1.3] Domestic politics and democracy

19:

• Status: Rejected
• Votes for: 14
• Votes against: 24

20:

• Status: Rejected
• Notes:
  • fuzzy "what's being for the referendum?"
  • how do we define referendum?

21:

• Status: Postponed
• Votes for: 18
• Votes against: 16

22:

• Status: Rejected
• Notes:
  • what does that mean?
  • we already have justice system

23:

• Status: Accepted
• Notes:
  • This is about someone who's been elected, not for candidates;

24:

• Status: Accepted
• Votes for: 20
• Notes:
  • The proposal is too vague, too general

25:

• Status: Rejected
• Notes:
  • What do we mean by recognize? (aknowledge existence or legitimity ?)

26:

• Status: Rejected
• Notes:
  • Same remark as 25.

[1.4] Economics

27:

• Status: Accepted

28:

• Status: Accepted

29:

• Status: Accepted
• Votes for: 25
• Notes:
  • Vague and fuzzy?
  • Ambiguous?
  • What does local economy mean?
  • Does it mean protectionism?
  • note: does not explain, also does not say protectionism

30:

• Status: Rejected/Postponed
• Notes:
  • What does "resource" means; answer from author: means "resource based economy" needs clarification

31:

• Status: Accepted
• Votes for: 20
• Votes against: 13
• Notes:
  • what's "alternative economy"?
  • see examples

32:

• Status: Rejected
• Votes for: 14
• Votes against: 18

33:

• Status: Rejected
• Notes:
  • not clear on what it really means

34:

• Status: Rejected
• Notes:
  • it's a statement, not a program point or opinion

35:

• Status: Accepted

36:

• Status: Rejected
• Notes:
  • need to change EU laws for that
  • the first part is already in 27

37:

• Status: Accepted

38:

• Status: Accepted

39:

• Status: Accepted
• Notes:
  • universal basic income (everyone)
  • what's the definition of basic income?
  • also remarked: "factual error, labour is not an economic product"

40:

• Status: Accepted
• Notes:
  • minimun wage (working people only)

41:

• Status: Accepted

42:

• Status: Rejected
• Notes:
  • this is demagogy, ideology, unclear, fuzzy

43:

• Status: Rejected
• Notes:
  • implies corporate citizenship? (==a company is having same right as a citizen)

44:

• Status: Rejected

45:

• Status: Rejected
• Notes:
  • awfully stated

46:

• Status: Postponed
• Votes for: 17
• Votes against: 15
• Notes:
  • European law problem;
  • Very hard to realize

47:

• Status: Accepted

48:

• Status: Rejected
• Votes for: 10
• Votes against: 18
• Notes:
  • Who is "them"?
  • Pirates or citizens?

49:

• Status: Accepted

50:

• Status: Accepted

51:

• Status: Accepted
• Notes:
  • Should state "a public audit" or something like that

52:

• Status: Rejected
• Notes:
  • cannot be done in only one country,
  • should explicitely read a wage/profit "ratio".
  • is missing clear definition and is quite populist position;
  • how would we explain this to a journalist

53:

• Status: Rejected

54:

• Status: Rejected
• Votes for: 14
• Votes against: 17
• Notes:
  • lower cap but also upper cap limitation, should maybe say minimally

[1.5] Banks

55:

• Status: Rejected
• Notes:
  • Too vague,
  • should say public financing (with money from the state),
  • also who would finance a bank that has gone bust anyway?
  • too anecdoctical, lack of big picture.

56:

• Status: Accepted
• Notes:
  • the national part could be left out

57:

• Status: Rejected

We interuppted voting because we are quickly running out-of-time;

• a proposal was made to deal with this problem
  • whatever is not voted here today will be submitted on getopinionated
  • and will be voted on getopinionated
  • and will be valid as if elected on the EGA
  • with voting closing before the first november
  • only members will be able to vote: each Pirate will receive his/her membership via email, and then registrations will be closed (for security).
  • only proposals from the program will be voted
• the proposal was accepted,
• a decision was made to continue up until proposal 62 and to end before point "1.6 Labour social affairs".

58:

• Status: Rejected
• Notes:
  • unclear: what are policticians, while they are active or allways; only banks? ... ?

59:

• Status: Accepted unanymously

60:

• Status: Rejected

61:

• Status: Rejected
• Notes:
  • This would mean we have to exit the euro

62:

• Status: Accepted
• Notes:
  • What is a dubious investment? Who defines it?)

EOEGA- End of General Assembly

• BIG THX TO ORGANISERS!!
• End at 17:50