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== Pirate Lab in Mons - September 26th, 2015 ==
 
== Pirate Lab in Mons - September 26th, 2015 ==
  
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=== Report ===
 
=== Report ===
'''
 
1) GENERAL ASSEMBLY:''' end of January/mid February in Gent
 
  
* crew Gent is looking for a place to do it (Tuin of Eden)
+
'''1) GENERAL ASSEMBLY''':  
* topics and content: via Loomio 'Pirate Open Assembly'
 
** membership administration and welcoming
 
** IT and infrastructure: who is maintaining the site? what about mailing lists?
 
** general internal workings: structures and how they do relate
 
  
2) MANIFESTO
+
end of January/mid February in Gent
  
difference between program and manifesto:
+
crew Gent is looking for a place to do it (Tuin of Eden)
- manifesto offers a vision, a dream
 
- program offers details
 
  
three strategies:
+
topics and content: via Loomio 'Pirate Open Assembly'
1- group/common manifesto = one text for all of us:  
+
* membership administration and welcoming
-- better for the political party
+
* IT and infrastructure: who is maintaining the site? what about mailing lists?
-- link with tech pirates?
+
* general internal workings: structures and how they do relate
-- good for the outer world, to convince people who don't know the pirates yet
 
-- singular, clear, convincing
 
-- difficult to make one common text, process will be messy
 
-- we have to find a way to provide a text like that
 
-- Toon and Damiens are working on a singular text: working on technical solution for 'how can we write that manifesto and make it democratically sustained (with ammendments and way to support them) > will take time!!
 
-- Vincent: how to merge different texts > http://emerge.shoutwiki.com
 
  
2- compilation of individual manifesto's:
+
'''2) MANIFESTO'''
-- better for the movement
 
-- link with social/relational pirates?
 
-- a bit messy, not consistent for the outer world
 
-- good for the internal group: everyone gives input
 
-- also possible for groups and crews to write their own manifesto
 
-- put all the manifesto's in a word cloud > see which topics are huge, and which ones are small
 
  
3- combination of both: the are compatible
+
difference between program and manifesto:
-- make sure that both groups are represented (relational and tech)
+
* manifesto offers a vision, a dream
-- there is a spectrum with black and white, but also grey: there is much more than social pirates and tech pirates (simplification), we have to focus on the common
+
* program offers details
-- both approaches can be combined: we can start with the individual manifesto's, and keep working on the tool for the central one
 
-- make a questionnary as a guidline for writing: why are you a pirate?
 
  
TO DO LIST !!!!!
+
'''three strategies:'''
1-- motivate people to write an individual manifesto (wait a little bit for the questionnary)
 
2-- make a questionnary: gather input for the common manifesto (Toon, Danny, Pascal, Jonas, Josse, Tim) > Toon is taking initiative on the Manifesto Working Group on Facebook
 
3-- tool to make a common manifesto, we have the input already from the questionnary (Toon and Damiens)
 
  
3) SYMPOSIUM
+
'''* 1- group/common manifesto = one text for all of us:'''
 +
** better for the political party
 +
** link with tech pirates?
 +
** good for the outer world, to convince people who don't know the pirates yet
 +
** singular, clear, convincing
 +
** difficult to make one common text, process will be messy
 +
** we have to find a way to provide a text like that
 +
** Toon and Damiens are working on a singular text: working on technical solution for 'how can we write that manifesto and make it democratically sustained (with ammendments and way to support them) > will take time!!
 +
** Vincent: how to merge different texts > http://emerge.shoutwiki.com
  
Questions:  
+
'''* 2- compilation of individual manifesto's:'''
1- Is it a pirate event or not?
+
** better for the movement
 +
** link with social/relational pirates?
 +
** a bit messy, not consistent for the outer world
 +
** good for the internal group: everyone gives input
 +
** also possible for groups and crews to write their own manifesto
 +
** put all the manifesto's in a word cloud > see which topics are huge, and which ones are small
  
- Two kinds of approach for events like this:
+
'''* 3- combination of both: the are compatible'''
-- 'these are subject we as pirates are interested in, and that's why we invited authorities'
+
** make sure that both groups are represented (relational and tech)
-- these speakers are pirates and they speak in our name
+
** there is a spectrum with black and white, but also grey: there is much more than social pirates and tech pirates (simplification), we have to focus on the common
not all three speakers are 'official pirates', so we chose first approach
+
** both approaches can be combined: we can start with the individual manifesto's, and keep working on the tool for the central one
 +
** make a questionnary as a guidline for writing: why are you a pirate?
  
- who is organizing and paying?
+
'''TO DO LIST !!!!!'''
-- financial account of Pirate Party Belgium
+
* 1- motivate people to write an individual manifesto (wait a little bit for the questionnary)
-- organization by P42 (vzw/asbl linked to Brussels pirate crew)
+
* 2- make a questionnary: gather input for the common manifesto (Toon, Danny, Pascal, Jonas, Josse, Tim) > Toon is taking initiative on the Manifesto Working Group on Facebook
- who is our public?
+
* 3- tool to make a common manifesto, we have the input already from the questionnary (Toon and Damiens)
-- pirates and non-pirates
 
  
2- How do we fund the event?
+
'''3) SYMPOSIUM'''
  
- ask people to pay an entrance fee (idea not supported)
+
Questions:  
- put a donation box !!!
 
- sell things? pins or buttons?
 
- we want to keep it simple
 
 
 
if speakers want to sell books:
 
- they announce it and organize it themselves
 
  
3- How do we promote the event?
+
'''1- Is it a pirate event or not?'''
 +
* Two kinds of approach for events like this:
 +
** 'these are subject we as pirates are interested in, and that's why we invited authorities'
 +
** these speakers are pirates and they speak in our name
 +
***not all three speakers are 'official pirates', so we chose first approach
 +
* who is organizing and paying?
 +
** financial account of Pirate Party Belgium
 +
** organization by P42 (vzw/asbl linked to Brussels pirate crew)
 +
* who is our public?
 +
** pirates and non-pirates
  
- boost the event by paying on Facebook:
+
'''2- How do we fund the event?'''
-- the host of the event (Pirate Party Belgium) can boost it
+
* ask people to pay an entrance fee (idea not supported)
-- ask supporters to boost it (Promote Event)
+
* put a donation box !!!
-- visibility is very low when you don't pay: Facebook is playing trics
+
* sell things? pins or buttons?
- sharing event on Facebook pages related to basic income (everyone can do this individually)  
+
* we want to keep it simple
- spread it through event websites (mention: 'sponsored by Pirate Party Belgium' instead of 'organized by PP Be)
 
-- Politics.be, basisinkomen.be, Oikos, ...
 
- Twitter? what about the pirate Twitter accounts?
 
- flyers?  
 
-- graphic design? (brother of Danny!)
 
-- flyer in pdf: digital flyers to spread on the internet, people can print it  
 
-- paper prints for universities, student bars, ...
 
  
4- Do we stream or film the event?
+
* if speakers want to sell books:
 +
** they announce it and organize it themselves
  
- no live streaming, can easily go wrong
+
'''3- How do we promote the event?'''
- record and make a promotion film for social media??
+
* boost the event by paying on Facebook:
-- we need:  
+
** the host of the event (Pirate Party Belgium) can boost it
--- cameraman and technical crew
+
** ask supporters to boost it (Promote Event)
--- someone for montage
+
** visibility is very low when you don't pay: Facebook is playing trics
--- material: good camera + statief
+
* sharing event on Facebook pages related to basic income (everyone can do this individually)
 +
* spread it through event websites (mention: 'sponsored by Pirate Party Belgium' instead of 'organized by PP Be)
 +
** Politics.be, basisinkomen.be, Oikos, ...
 +
* Twitter? what about the pirate Twitter accounts?
 +
* flyers?  
 +
** graphic design? (brother of Danny!)
 +
** flyer in pdf: digital flyers to spread on the internet, people can print it
 +
** paper prints for universities, student bars, ...
  
5- How do we welcome new people and keep in touch?
+
'''4- Do we stream or film the event?'''
 +
* no live streaming, can easily go wrong
 +
* record and make a promotion film for social media??
 +
** we need:
 +
*** cameraman and technical crew
 +
*** someone for montage
 +
*** material: good camera + statief
  
- information about pirates: flyers
+
'''5- How do we welcome new people and keep in touch?'''
- mailing lists: gather mail adresses on paper !!!
+
* information about pirates: flyers
-- note on mailing lists:
+
* mailing lists: gather mail adresses on paper !!!
--- can be used to send invitation for the event!!
+
** note on mailing lists:
--- mailing lists should be cleaned up
+
*** can be used to send invitation for the event!!
--- huge work: there is no collection of all addresses in one place, there are many different mailinglists and in there you have all the different addresses
+
*** mailing lists should be cleaned up
--- we have to get it straight before we start using it again: bad impression
+
*** huge work: there is no collection of all addresses in one place, there are many different mailinglists and in there you have all the different addresses
--- avoid massive spam
+
*** we have to get it straight before we start using it again: bad impression
 +
*** avoid massive spam
  
TO DO LIST !!!!!
+
'''TO DO LIST !!!!!'''
- start marketing and promotion: share the event through Twitter and Facebook (everyone)
+
* start marketing and promotion: share the event through Twitter and Facebook (everyone)
- send event to specialised event websites
+
* send event to specialised event websites
- cleaning up mailing lists? (huge work, will be topic of GA)
+
* cleaning up mailing lists? (huge work, will be topic of GA)
- camera and staief (Pascal and Toon)
+
* camera and staief (Pascal and Toon)
- digital registration form (EventBright?) 'come early, full is full'
+
* digital registration form (EventBright?) 'come early, full is full'
- digital flyer (brother Danny)
+
* digital flyer (brother Danny)
  
 
=== Pad ===
 
=== Pad ===
  
[http://piratepad.be/p/piratelab_labs direct link to the pad]
+
[https://pad.pirateparty.be/p/piratelab_labs direct link to the pad]
 
 
 
 
<eplite id="piratelab_labs"></eplite>
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<eplite src="https://pad.pirateparty.be/p/" id="piratelab_labs" />

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Workgroup Pirate Lab
Date Sat 26 September 2015
Time 1:00pm
Venue Café Europa
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Pirate Lab in Mons - September 26th, 2015

On Saturday September 26th, 2015 at Café Europa, Mons

Open at 12am, Lab starts at 1pm.

Topics

  • 1) General Assembly
  • 2) Manifesto
  • 3) Symposium

Report

1) GENERAL ASSEMBLY:

end of January/mid February in Gent

crew Gent is looking for a place to do it (Tuin of Eden)

topics and content: via Loomio 'Pirate Open Assembly'

  • membership administration and welcoming
  • IT and infrastructure: who is maintaining the site? what about mailing lists?
  • general internal workings: structures and how they do relate

2) MANIFESTO

difference between program and manifesto:

  • manifesto offers a vision, a dream
  • program offers details

three strategies:

* 1- group/common manifesto = one text for all of us:

    • better for the political party
    • link with tech pirates?
    • good for the outer world, to convince people who don't know the pirates yet
    • singular, clear, convincing
    • difficult to make one common text, process will be messy
    • we have to find a way to provide a text like that
    • Toon and Damiens are working on a singular text: working on technical solution for 'how can we write that manifesto and make it democratically sustained (with ammendments and way to support them) > will take time!!
    • Vincent: how to merge different texts > http://emerge.shoutwiki.com

* 2- compilation of individual manifesto's:

    • better for the movement
    • link with social/relational pirates?
    • a bit messy, not consistent for the outer world
    • good for the internal group: everyone gives input
    • also possible for groups and crews to write their own manifesto
    • put all the manifesto's in a word cloud > see which topics are huge, and which ones are small

* 3- combination of both: the are compatible

    • make sure that both groups are represented (relational and tech)
    • there is a spectrum with black and white, but also grey: there is much more than social pirates and tech pirates (simplification), we have to focus on the common
    • both approaches can be combined: we can start with the individual manifesto's, and keep working on the tool for the central one
    • make a questionnary as a guidline for writing: why are you a pirate?

TO DO LIST !!!!!

  • 1- motivate people to write an individual manifesto (wait a little bit for the questionnary)
  • 2- make a questionnary: gather input for the common manifesto (Toon, Danny, Pascal, Jonas, Josse, Tim) > Toon is taking initiative on the Manifesto Working Group on Facebook
  • 3- tool to make a common manifesto, we have the input already from the questionnary (Toon and Damiens)

3) SYMPOSIUM

Questions:

1- Is it a pirate event or not?

  • Two kinds of approach for events like this:
    • 'these are subject we as pirates are interested in, and that's why we invited authorities'
    • these speakers are pirates and they speak in our name
      • not all three speakers are 'official pirates', so we chose first approach
  • who is organizing and paying?
    • financial account of Pirate Party Belgium
    • organization by P42 (vzw/asbl linked to Brussels pirate crew)
  • who is our public?
    • pirates and non-pirates

2- How do we fund the event?

  • ask people to pay an entrance fee (idea not supported)
  • put a donation box !!!
  • sell things? pins or buttons?
  • we want to keep it simple
  • if speakers want to sell books:
    • they announce it and organize it themselves

3- How do we promote the event?

  • boost the event by paying on Facebook:
    • the host of the event (Pirate Party Belgium) can boost it
    • ask supporters to boost it (Promote Event)
    • visibility is very low when you don't pay: Facebook is playing trics
  • sharing event on Facebook pages related to basic income (everyone can do this individually)
  • spread it through event websites (mention: 'sponsored by Pirate Party Belgium' instead of 'organized by PP Be)
    • Politics.be, basisinkomen.be, Oikos, ...
  • Twitter? what about the pirate Twitter accounts?
  • flyers?
    • graphic design? (brother of Danny!)
    • flyer in pdf: digital flyers to spread on the internet, people can print it
    • paper prints for universities, student bars, ...

4- Do we stream or film the event?

  • no live streaming, can easily go wrong
  • record and make a promotion film for social media??
    • we need:
      • cameraman and technical crew
      • someone for montage
      • material: good camera + statief

5- How do we welcome new people and keep in touch?

  • information about pirates: flyers
  • mailing lists: gather mail adresses on paper !!!
    • note on mailing lists:
      • can be used to send invitation for the event!!
      • mailing lists should be cleaned up
      • huge work: there is no collection of all addresses in one place, there are many different mailinglists and in there you have all the different addresses
      • we have to get it straight before we start using it again: bad impression
      • avoid massive spam

TO DO LIST !!!!!

  • start marketing and promotion: share the event through Twitter and Facebook (everyone)
  • send event to specialised event websites
  • cleaning up mailing lists? (huge work, will be topic of GA)
  • camera and staief (Pascal and Toon)
  • digital registration form (EventBright?) 'come early, full is full'
  • digital flyer (brother Danny)

Pad

direct link to the pad