Events/EGA:2013-09/Notes

Voting

Introduced a third option for voting: next to

• "yes" (green) or
• "no" (red)

we introduce

• "postponed" (white): voted unanimously yes

• Minimum of 2 votes difference, else postponed automatically
• Not 50% for green, then it is not yes?

Note takers:

• sandb
• Vincent L.
• fred m.

Everybody counts votes if close call. General remark: rejected does not mean it definatly rejected,

Discussion on voting; do we go for classic voting and forgo the adaption?

• 21 yes
• 3 no
• accepted

1:

• Status: Rejected

2.1:

• Status: Accepted
• Notes:
  • French version is leading version
  • translation problem: radicale democratie should be directe democratie

2.2:

• Status: Accepted

2.3:

• Status: Accepted

2.4:

• Status: Accepted

3:

• Status: Rejected/Postponed

4:

• Status: Rejected

5:

• Status: Rejected
• Votes for: 14
• Votes against: 19

6:

• Status: Accepted

7:

• Status: Accepted
• Votes for: 23
• Votes against: 13

8:

• Status: Accepted
• Notes:
  • better written version of 9

9:

• Status: Rejected
• Votes for: 15
• Votes against: 24

10:

• Status: Accepted

11:

• Status: {{{2}}}
• Votes for: 21
• Votes against: 17
• Notes:
  • this definition can be applied to every company
  • required recount
  • how could we make anyone liable to use public facilities?

12:

• Status: Accepted

13:

• Status: Accepted
• Notes:
  • Assange is not a wistleblower
  • better if names were removed
  • Voted as is, but could use an amendment

14:

• Status: Accepted
• Notes:
  • Better definition required for "net neutrality".

15:

• Status: Accepted
• Notes:
  • It's more or less already in there: but remarks about only postal system and human rights with similar initiative.

16:

• Status: Rejected
• Notes:
  • Factual issue in the proposal since the press can be censored, what about private data protection

17:

• Status: Accepted
• Votes for: 24
• Votes against: 11
• Notes:
  • Fuzzy language

18:

• Status: Rejected
• Notes:
  • what is "democratie radicale"?
  • is it "imposed democracy" ;)
  • We need another word than "radical" (2.1)

19:

• Status: Rejected
• Votes for: 14
• Votes against: 24

20:

• Status: Rejected
• Notes:
  • fuzzy "what's being for the referendum?"
  • how do we define referendum?

21:

• Status: Postponed
• Votes for: 18
• Votes against: 16

22:

• Status: Rejected
• Notes:
  • what does that mean?
  • we already have justice system

23:

• Status: Accepted
• Notes:
  • This is about someone who's been elected, not for candidates;

24:

• Status: Accepted
• Votes for: 20
• Notes:
  • The proposal is too vague, too general

25:

• Status: Rejected
• Notes:
  • What do we mean by recognize? (aknowledge existence or legitimity ?)

26:

• Status: Rejected
• Notes:
  • Same remark as 25.

27:

• Status: Accepted

28:

• Status: Accepted

29:

• Status: Accepted
• Votes for: 25
• Notes:
  • Vague and fuzzy?
  • Ambiguous?
  • What does local economy mean?
  • Does it mean protectionism?
  • note: does not explain, also does not say protectionism

30. rejected/postponed ;remarks : what does "resource" means; answer from author: means "resource based economy" needs clarification

31. accepted 20 vs 13; remarks: what's "alternative economy" ? see examples

32. rejected 14 vs 18

33. rejected ;remarks: not clear on what it really means

34. rejected ;remark: it's a statement, not a program point or opinion

35. accepted; anonymous

36. rejected ;remarks : need to change EU laws for that; the first part is already in 27;

37. accepted

38. accepted

39. accepted ; remarks : universal basic income (everyone); what's the definition of basic income ? ; also remarked: "factual error, labour is not an economic product"

40. accepted ; remarks : minimun wage (working people only)

41. accepted

42. rejected; remarks: this is demagogy, ideology, unclear, fuzzy

43.rejected, except by Kash; remarks : implies corporate citizenship? (==a company is having same right as a citizen)

44. rejected

45. rejected (awfully stated)

46. postponed ;17 vs 15 ;remarks : european law problem; very hard to realize

47. accepted

48. rejected 10/18 remark: who's "them" ? Pirates or citizens ?

49. accepted

50. accepted

51. accepted (rem: should state "a public audit" or something like that)

52. rejected ;remarks: 1. cannot be done in only one country, 2. should explicitely read a wage/profit "ratio". 3. is missing clear definition and is quite populist position; how would we explain this to a journalist

53. rejected

54. rejected 14 vs 17; remarks : lower cap but also upper cap limitation, should maybe say minimally

55. rejected ;remarks: Too vague, should say public financing (with money from the state), also who would finance a bank that has gone bust anyway? ; too anecdoctical, lack of big picture.

56. accepted; remarks: the national part could be left out

57. rejected remarks: why only bankers

Proposal to deal with running-out-of-time: ACCEPTED

   - whatever is not voted here today will be submitted on getopinionated
   - and will be voted on getopinionated
   - and will be valid as if elected on the EGA
   - with voting closing before the first november
   - only members will be able to vote: each Pirate will receive his/her membership via email, and then registrations will be closed (for security).
   - only proposals from the program will be voted

• • has been voted yes

58. rejected; unclear: what are policticians, while they are active or allways; only banks? ... ?

59. accepted unanymously

60. rejected

61. rejected ; remarks: this would mean we have to exit the euro

62. accepted (rem: what is a dubious investment ? who defines it ?)

EOEGA- End of General Assembly

BIG THX TO ORGANISERS!!