Pirate Lab/Meeting/32 05 2019 - Revision history

Vanecx: added FinanceSquad

2020-04-04T13:11:06Z

added FinanceSquad

← Older revision		Revision as of 15:11, 4 April 2020
Line 1:		Line 1:
	{{MeetingSidebar		{{MeetingSidebar
	\|meetingname=Pirate Lab May 2019		\|meetingname=Pirate Lab May 2019
	\|workgroup=Pirate Lab		\|workgroup=Pirate Lab, FinanceSquad
	\|date=2019/06/01		\|date=2019/06/01
	\|time=14:00		\|time=14:00

HgO: /* Closing */

2019-06-02T09:02:44Z

Closing

← Older revision		Revision as of 11:02, 2 June 2019
Line 126:		Line 126:
	* HgO : was expecting more people, don't know how to improve the visibility of the Lab		* HgO : was expecting more people, don't know how to improve the visibility of the Lab

	Next Lab will be in [[~~Mechelen, on 29th June\|~~Pirate Lab/Meeting/29 06 2019]]		Next Lab will be in [[Pirate Lab/Meeting/29 06 2019\|Mechelen, on 29th June]]

HgO: /* Reporting */ text formatting + next lab

2019-06-02T09:02:14Z

Reporting: text formatting + next lab

← Older revision		Revision as of 11:02, 2 June 2019
Line 40:		Line 40:
	== Reporting ==		== Reporting ==

	Roundtable		=== Roundtable ===
	~~Lab starts at 14:00~~

	Roundtable where everyone says how they feel, what they want to discuss today (expectations and wishes), and when they leave		Roundtable where everyone says how they feel, what they want to discuss today (expectations and wishes), and when they leave:
	* Ilja : Elections		* Ilja : Elections
	* HgO : Appeal to State Council + Mastodon migration + Mobilizon		* HgO : Appeal to State Council + Mastodon migration + Mobilizon
Line 49:		Line 48:
	* Yves : Tools to allow people to contribute in a light way (so they don't have to invest a lot of time/money)		* Yves : Tools to allow people to contribute in a light way (so they don't have to invest a lot of time/money)

	Subgroups		=== Subgroups ===

	===== First group : How to spend the money, how to decide about it =====		==== First group : How to spend the money, how to decide about it ====
	On State council appeal, discussions happened during labs, on Loomio, and (mainly) in Crew BW meeting.		On State council appeal, discussions happened during labs, on Loomio, and (mainly) in Crew BW meeting.
	Decision : as there is no objection inside PPBe, we will spend 700€ for this action. HgO sees with Patrick for payment
			'''Decision''' : as there is no objection inside PPBe, we will spend 700€ for this action. HgO sees with Patrick for payment

	Rules to decide how to spend the money		Rules to decide how to spend the money
	* Rule 0 : 3 pirates propose (or 1 pirate propose and 2 back) or a crew		# 3 pirates propose (or 1 pirate propose and 2 back) or a crew
	* First rule : if there is less than 1.000€ left on the bank account, we don't do spending, so we can pay the servers and have a little bit money if necessary		# If there is less than 1.000€ left on the bank account, we don't do spending, so we can pay the servers and have a little bit money if necessary
	* Second rule : the proposition must not be against the values/objectives of PPBe (therefore not meet any strong objective) [la proposition doit être conforme aux valeurs/objectifs du PPBe (donc ne pas rencontrer d'objection forte de la part de membres)]		# The proposition must not be against the values/objectives of PPBe (therefore not meet any strong objective) [la proposition doit être conforme aux valeurs/objectifs du PPBe (donc ne pas rencontrer d'objection forte de la part de membres)]
	* Third rule : there must be a possibility to debate the proposition both online (on Loomio) and offline (by default at the Lab, otherwise in an appropriate meeting) [il faut que la possibilité de débattre la proposition existe ~~tant~~ en ligne (Loomio) et en présentiel (Lab par défaut, sinon une rencontre ad hoc), dans une durée raisonnable]		# There must be a possibility to debate the proposition '''both''' online (on Loomio) and offline (by default at the Lab, otherwise in an appropriate meeting) [il faut que la possibilité de débattre la proposition existe '''à la fois''' en ligne (Loomio) et en présentiel (Lab par défaut, sinon une rencontre ad hoc), dans une durée raisonnable]
	* '''''~~4th rule : closure~~ of the decision : still needs to be decided'''''		* '''''Closure of the decision : still needs to be decided'''''
	* ~~5th rule : payment~~ is done on basis of a proof of the decision (report, Loomio discussion... ) and if necessary the bill (refund) [paiement se fait sur base d'une preuve de la décision (rapport, discussion Loomio) et si nécessaire d'une facture (remboursement)]		* Payment is done on basis of a proof of the decision (report, Loomio discussion... ) and if necessary the bill (refund) [paiement se fait sur base d'une preuve de la décision (rapport, discussion Loomio) et si nécessaire d'une facture (remboursement)]

	Examples : Brunch, Appeal to State Council, Mobilizon, Elections, La voix est libre		Examples : Brunch, Appeal to State Council, Mobilizon, Elections, La voix est libre

	===== Second group : Tools to be informed with accurate info =====		==== Second group : Tools to be informed with accurate info ====
	We don't have a clear answer to this question, but there are things alternatives being build to the current tools that aim to solve some of these problems. The conversation was more informal, but examples that came out of it:		We don't have a clear answer to this question, but there are things alternatives being build to the current tools that aim to solve some of these problems. The conversation was more informal, but examples that came out of it:
	*the fediverse as an alternative to social media platforms (who guide what you see and what not)		*the fediverse as an alternative to social media platforms (who guide what you see and what not)
Line 75:		Line 75:
	*This isn't a clear-cut answer to the question, but hopefully shows that there are at least people building alternatives. This will hopefully help people involved in the meeting to find answers for themselves		*This isn't a clear-cut answer to the question, but hopefully shows that there are at least people building alternatives. This will hopefully help people involved in the meeting to find answers for themselves

	===== Third group : Future of PPBe =====		==== Third group : Future of PPBe ====
	* Need for new crews [because PPBe has very few people so it's difficult to do projects/promote values, so we need some more people] : at least in Brussels. Need local objectives/motivations/projects		* Need for new crews [because PPBe has very few people so it's difficult to do projects/promote values, so we need some more people] : at least in Brussels. Need local objectives/motivations/projects
	* Contact Agora : congratulate, inform ourselves on how they work, shared projects		* Contact Agora : congratulate, inform ourselves on how they work, shared projects
Line 83:		Line 83:
	* Call for candidatures : pour contact@ppbe & treasury		* Call for candidatures : pour contact@ppbe & treasury

	===== 4th group : Mobilizon =====		==== 4th group : Mobilizon ====
	* It's a tool being developed by Framasoft to organize events (replacing Facebook events)		* It's a tool being developed by Framasoft to organize events (replacing Facebook events)
	* Proposition : 100€ by PPBe to support Mobilizon. But before that, Renaud will contact other PIrate Parties to see if it's possible to gather 1.000€ together so we can have a Pirate Party logo on the tool.		* Proposition : 100€ by PPBe to support Mobilizon. But before that, Renaud will contact other PIrate Parties to see if it's possible to gather 1.000€ together so we can have a Pirate Party logo on the tool.
Line 89:		Line 89:
	* Decision/discussion : will also be discusses at next Lab		* Decision/discussion : will also be discusses at next Lab

	===== 5th group : IT =====		==== 5th group : IT ====

	Wiki:		Wiki:
	* What needs to be done before we do the new theme?		* What needs to be done before we do the new theme?
Line 118:		Line 119:
	*** Wizzard HgO will do it using magic and in line with what the people on the instance and in the PPBE agreed with		*** Wizzard HgO will do it using magic and in line with what the people on the instance and in the PPBE agreed with

	Roundtable where everyone says how they feel, what should be improved and what went fine~~. Then, define next Pirate Lab~~		=== Closing ===

			Roundtable where everyone says how they feel, what should be improved and what went fine:
	* Yves : didn't find exactly what he was looking for, happy to have participated, had beginnings of answer to his questions		* Yves : didn't find exactly what he was looking for, happy to have participated, had beginnings of answer to his questions
	* Renaud : happy & efficient work, couldn't really do more with the available people at the lab		* Renaud : happy & efficient work, couldn't really do more with the available people at the lab
			* HgO : was expecting more people, don't know how to improve the visibility of the Lab

			Next Lab will be in [[Mechelen, on 29th June\|Pirate Lab/Meeting/29 06 2019]]

Ilja: /* Second group : Tools to be informed with accurate info */

2019-06-02T04:31:05Z

Second group : Tools to be informed with accurate info

← Older revision		Revision as of 06:31, 2 June 2019
Line 66:		Line 66:

	===== Second group : Tools to be informed with accurate info =====		===== Second group : Tools to be informed with accurate info =====
	We don't have a clear answer to this question, but there are things alternatives being build to the current tools that aim to solve some of these problems. The ~~conersation~~ was more informal, but examples that came out of it:		We don't have a clear answer to this question, but there are things alternatives being build to the current tools that aim to solve some of these problems. The conversation was more informal, but examples that came out of it:
	*the fediverse as an alternative to social media platforms (who guide what you see and what not)		*the fediverse as an alternative to social media platforms (who guide what you see and what not)
	*startpage.com as an alternative to google. Even if it uses google for agregating results, it doesn't personalise, so less chance for a bubble		*startpage.com as an alternative to google. Even if it uses google for agregating results, it doesn't personalise, so less chance for a bubble
	*Social media isn't a good way to store and find data. Even though people use this as a way to find information.		*Social media isn't a good way to store and find data. Even though people use this as a way to find information.
	*On fedi we have at least one example of sunbeam.city where their instance is ~~their~~ to build a community, but they also have a wiki for more 'permanent' storage.		*On fedi we have at least one example of sunbeam.city where their instance is there to build a community, but they also have a wiki for more 'permanent' storage.
	*There is a problem with not being able to blindly trust everyone, so how to know who to trust?		*There is a problem with not being able to blindly trust everyone, so how to know who to trust?
	*There is https://eunomia.social/ but whether this will turn out to be a good or bad thing, remains to be seen. Only other alternative is talking to and trusting people.		**There is https://eunomia.social/ but whether this will turn out to be a good or bad thing, remains to be seen. Only other alternative is talking to and trusting people.
	*This isn't a clear-cut answer to the question, but hopefully shows that there are at least people building alternatives. This will hopefully help people involved in the meeting to find answers for themselves		*This isn't a clear-cut answer to the question, but hopefully shows that there are at least people building alternatives. This will hopefully help people involved in the meeting to find answers for themselves

Ilja: /* Reporting */

2019-06-02T04:29:32Z

Reporting

← Older revision		Revision as of 06:29, 2 June 2019
Line 51:		Line 51:
	Subgroups		Subgroups

	First group : How to spend the money, how to decide about it		===== First group : How to spend the money, how to decide about it =====
	On State council appeal, discussions happened during labs, on Loomio, and (mainly) in Crew BW meeting.		On State council appeal, discussions happened during labs, on Loomio, and (mainly) in Crew BW meeting.
	Decision : as there is no objection inside PPBe, we will spend 700€ for this action. HgO sees with Patrick for payment		Decision : as there is no objection inside PPBe, we will spend 700€ for this action. HgO sees with Patrick for payment

	~~=====~~ Rules to decide how to spend the money ~~=====~~		Rules to decide how to spend the money
	* Rule 0 : 3 pirates propose (or 1 pirate propose and 2 back) or a crew		* Rule 0 : 3 pirates propose (or 1 pirate propose and 2 back) or a crew
	* First rule : if there is less than 1.000€ left on the bank account, we don't do spending, so we can pay the servers and have a little bit money if necessary		* First rule : if there is less than 1.000€ left on the bank account, we don't do spending, so we can pay the servers and have a little bit money if necessary

Ilja: /* First group : How to spend the money, how to decide about it */

2019-06-02T04:28:47Z

First group : How to spend the money, how to decide about it

← Older revision		Revision as of 06:28, 2 June 2019
Line 51:		Line 51:
	Subgroups		Subgroups

	~~=====~~ First group : How to spend the money, how to decide about it ~~=====~~		First group : How to spend the money, how to decide about it
	On State council appeal, discussions happened during labs, on Loomio, and (mainly) in Crew BW meeting.		On State council appeal, discussions happened during labs, on Loomio, and (mainly) in Crew BW meeting.
	Decision : as there is no objection inside PPBe, we will spend 700€ for this action. HgO sees with Patrick for payment		Decision : as there is no objection inside PPBe, we will spend 700€ for this action. HgO sees with Patrick for payment

Ilja: /* Reporting */

2019-06-02T04:28:16Z

Reporting

← Older revision		Revision as of 06:28, 2 June 2019
Line 40:		Line 40:
	== Reporting ==		== Reporting ==

	A report will be ~~provided~~ at the ~~end~~ of the lab.		Roundtable
			Lab starts at 14:00

			Roundtable where everyone says how they feel, what they want to discuss today (expectations and wishes), and when they leave
			* Ilja : Elections
			* HgO : Appeal to State Council + Mastodon migration + Mobilizon
			* Renaud : Future of PPBe
			* Yves : Tools to allow people to contribute in a light way (so they don't have to invest a lot of time/money)

			Subgroups

			===== First group : How to spend the money, how to decide about it =====
			On State council appeal, discussions happened during labs, on Loomio, and (mainly) in Crew BW meeting.
			Decision : as there is no objection inside PPBe, we will spend 700€ for this action. HgO sees with Patrick for payment

			===== Rules to decide how to spend the money =====
			* Rule 0 : 3 pirates propose (or 1 pirate propose and 2 back) or a crew
			* First rule : if there is less than 1.000€ left on the bank account, we don't do spending, so we can pay the servers and have a little bit money if necessary
			* Second rule : the proposition must not be against the values/objectives of PPBe (therefore not meet any strong objective) [la proposition doit être conforme aux valeurs/objectifs du PPBe (donc ne pas rencontrer d'objection forte de la part de membres)]
			* Third rule : there must be a possibility to debate the proposition both online (on Loomio) and offline (by default at the Lab, otherwise in an appropriate meeting) [il faut que la possibilité de débattre la proposition existe tant en ligne (Loomio) et en présentiel (Lab par défaut, sinon une rencontre ad hoc), dans une durée raisonnable]
			* '''''4th rule : closure of the decision : still needs to be decided'''''
			* 5th rule : payment is done on basis of a proof of the decision (report, Loomio discussion... ) and if necessary the bill (refund) [paiement se fait sur base d'une preuve de la décision (rapport, discussion Loomio) et si nécessaire d'une facture (remboursement)]

			Examples : Brunch, Appeal to State Council, Mobilizon, Elections, La voix est libre

			===== Second group : Tools to be informed with accurate info =====
			We don't have a clear answer to this question, but there are things alternatives being build to the current tools that aim to solve some of these problems. The conersation was more informal, but examples that came out of it:
			*the fediverse as an alternative to social media platforms (who guide what you see and what not)
			*startpage.com as an alternative to google. Even if it uses google for agregating results, it doesn't personalise, so less chance for a bubble
			*Social media isn't a good way to store and find data. Even though people use this as a way to find information.
			*On fedi we have at least one example of sunbeam.city where their instance is their to build a community, but they also have a wiki for more 'permanent' storage.
			*There is a problem with not being able to blindly trust everyone, so how to know who to trust?
			*There is https://eunomia.social/ but whether this will turn out to be a good or bad thing, remains to be seen. Only other alternative is talking to and trusting people.
			*This isn't a clear-cut answer to the question, but hopefully shows that there are at least people building alternatives. This will hopefully help people involved in the meeting to find answers for themselves

			===== Third group : Future of PPBe =====
			* Need for new crews [because PPBe has very few people so it's difficult to do projects/promote values, so we need some more people] : at least in Brussels. Need local objectives/motivations/projects
			* Contact Agora : congratulate, inform ourselves on how they work, shared projects
			* What does Antwerp do? We have (basically) no information on their activities
			* Conferences/debates/workshops can be organized more often
			* For Pirate events, have/improve documents to share (presentation of ppbe, registering to mailing-list)
			* Call for candidatures : pour contact@ppbe & treasury

			===== 4th group : Mobilizon =====
			* It's a tool being developed by Framasoft to organize events (replacing Facebook events)
			* Proposition : 100€ by PPBe to support Mobilizon. But before that, Renaud will contact other PIrate Parties to see if it's possible to gather 1.000€ together so we can have a Pirate Party logo on the tool.
			* Deadline : 6th for PPBe to pay. End of crowdfunding for Mobilizon : 10th July
			* Decision/discussion : will also be discusses at next Lab

			===== 5th group : IT =====
			Wiki:
			* What needs to be done before we do the new theme?
			*# Install on an empty wiki
			*# if okey => add theme to wiki (prob easiest) OR add old database to new wiki
			*# Changing of content: Out of scope for now

			Mastodon to ...?
			* We want to migrate away from Tootsuite
			** Why? The way the tootsuite Mastodon project is run with a Benevolent Dictator For Live, which is not in line with our values. We also see that the way it is run brings a lot of frustrations within the community. We also see that a lot off things are not happening that should be happening (features that are not implemented, safety-stuff that is covered up instead of being fixed)
			**To what?
			*** Glitch-soc
			**** There's a "main" developer, but no BDFL
			**** They have showed that they do implement features that people want
			*** Florence
			**** The aim is to be community oriented/controlled
			**** The project is too young to really have proven themselves
			**** Very small community, not sure if it will remain active (because the project is too young)
			*** pleroma
			**** Too different from Mastodon, doesn't have reliable migration-script
			*** Conclusion => We would prefer Glitch-soc
			** How (make the decision)
			*** There needs to be consensus from the people on the instance.
			**** How do we get that?
			*** We'll need consensus from people in the PPBE
			**** Loomio? => Ilja will put it on Loomio, we can discuss further there (Proposal: Do we migrate? How we go about including the people on the instance?)
			** How (technically)
			*** Wizzard HgO will do it using magic and in line with what the people on the instance and in the PPBE agreed with

			Roundtable where everyone says how they feel, what should be improved and what went fine. Then, define next Pirate Lab
			* Yves : didn't find exactly what he was looking for, happy to have participated, had beginnings of answer to his questions
			* Renaud : happy & efficient work, couldn't really do more with the available people at the lab

HgO: /* To-do list */ venue confirmed

2019-05-25T17:28:42Z

To-do list: venue confirmed

← Older revision		Revision as of 19:28, 25 May 2019
Line 24:		Line 24:
	== To-do list ==		== To-do list ==
	# <s>Define venue</s>		# <s>Define venue</s>
	# Confirm venue		# <s>Confirm venue</s>
	# Create facebook event (then destroy facebook)		# Create facebook event (then destroy facebook)

HgO: change location

2019-05-25T17:27:04Z

change location

← Older revision		Revision as of 19:27, 25 May 2019
Line 4:		Line 4:
	\|date=2019/06/01		\|date=2019/06/01
	\|time=14:00		\|time=14:00
	\|venue=Taverne ~~de la gare~~		\|venue=Taverne Georges
	\|address=~~Plateau~~ de ~~la Gare 33~~		\|address=Rue de l'Ancien Bourg 7
	\|postalcode=~~1480~~		\|postalcode=1420
	\|city=~~Tubize~~		\|city=Braine-l'Alleud
	}}		}}
	= Pirate Lab May 2019 =		= Pirate Lab May 2019 =

HgO at 21:19, 28 April 2019

2019-04-28T21:19:18Z

← Older revision		Revision as of 23:19, 28 April 2019
Line 40:		Line 40:
	== Reporting ==		== Reporting ==

	~~As we were only 2, we decided to have an informal moment.~~		A report will be provided at the end of the lab.

	~~[[Pirate Lab/Meeting/32 05 2019\|Next Lab]]~~ will be ~~in Tubize, on 1st June 2019~~.