Pirate Lab/Meeting/26 08 2017 - Revision history

Vanecx: added Defining the values of PPBe workgroup

2020-04-04T13:14:06Z

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HgO: /* Citizen list in Liège */ link

2017-08-27T21:06:17Z

Citizen list in Liège: link

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	# Integrate this into a political programme (e.g. the one of the pirate party)		# Integrate this into a political programme (e.g. the one of the pirate party)

	==== Citizen list in Liège ====		==== [[Mouvement éco-citoyen liégeois\|Citizen list in Liège]] ====

	Ecolo at the initiative of a wider list, including pirates. But the ways of working are not enough transparent (information retention for instance ; not clear for which reasons) yet and it takes a lot of energy to improve them. Unbalance between Ecolo and the others. The internal organisation is being defined. It seems that some mistakes are similar to what the pirate party made before...		Ecolo at the initiative of a wider list, including pirates. But the ways of working are not enough transparent (information retention for instance ; not clear for which reasons) yet and it takes a lot of energy to improve them. Unbalance between Ecolo and the others. The internal organisation is being defined. It seems that some mistakes are similar to what the pirate party made before...

HgO: /* Citizen lists / Ministry of democracy */

2017-08-27T21:05:23Z

Citizen lists / Ministry of democracy

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	=== Citizen lists / [[Ministère de la Démocratie\|Ministry of democracy]] ===		=== Citizen lists / [[Ministère de la Démocratie\|Ministry of democracy]] ===

	~~This subgroups, people~~ involved in the Ministry of Democracy, and also citizen lists, did ~~an update~~ on how it is going in order to inform other pirates.		People involved in the Ministry of Democracy, and also in citizen lists, did some updates on how it is going in order to inform other pirates.

	==== Ministry of democracy ====		==== Ministry of democracy ====
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	Also mentioned situation of citizen list in OLLN : contacted by someone to join their list... wondering what to do.		Also mentioned situation of citizen list in OLLN : contacted by someone to join their list... wondering what to do.

	--> pirates should share their experience		--> pirates should share their experience

	=== [[Pirate Lab]] organization ===		=== [[Pirate Lab]] organization ===

HgO: added workgroup Open Organization Maturity Model

2017-08-27T20:38:11Z

added workgroup Open Organization Maturity Model

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HgO: report improvements

2017-08-26T19:39:39Z

report improvements

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	Direct link: https://pad.pirateparty.be/p/Piratelab2017-August		Direct link: https://pad.pirateparty.be/p/Piratelab2017-August

	== ~~Agenda~~ ==		== Reporting ==

	~~If empty, feel free to edit or use the pad here-over.~~		=== Introduction ===

	~~== Reporting ==~~		We followed the [[Internal Democracy/Guidelines\|meeting guidelines]] provided by the [[Internal Democracy]] workgroup.

	~~Subgroups have~~ been ~~created~~.		After a short introductory plenary session, we decided to split into three subgroups. Then, after another plenary session, we decided to split again in two subgroups. Here is the reporting of what has been discussed in those subgroups.

	===Open Organisation Maturity Model===		=== Open Organisation Maturity Model ===

	*https://pad.pirateparty.be/p/The_Open_Organization_Maturity_Model_Project		We reviewed the document "[https://github.com/open-organization-ambassadors/open-org-definition/blob/master/open_org_maturity_model.md Open Organization Maturity Model]". We created a new project, for which you can find a roadmap [https://pad.pirateparty.be/p/The_Open_Organization_Maturity_Model_Project on this pad]. In the case there is no French translation yet available (need to be checked), we also plan to translate it. You'll find the pad for this translation [https://pad.pirateparty.be/p/The_Open_Organization_Maturity_Model here]
	*https://pad.pirateparty.be/p/The_Open_Organization_Maturity_Model

			This document could be used as a tool for a group to evaluate its ways of working in terms of openness, transparency, etc. We thought about creating a questionnaire/form based on this document. We don't have a time constraint, or at least we should have something ready for the elections.

	*New project starting up: follow it on loomio and wiki: ~~a tool for a group to evaluate its ways of working in terms of openness, transparency, ...~~		We will work with loomio and the wiki. '''TODO:''' Create the loomio thread and wiki page
	*no time constraint (yet... or let'~~s say for~~ the ~~elections).~~

	*Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition!!!!		===Digging / Talking about our «core values»===

			Points that were discussed:
			* Importance of meeting, in real life, and dialogue
			* Freedom of thought (but we cannot think alone! supposes dialogue - but it is different from freedom of speech), trust, collaboration, global interest
			** No consensus on freedom of speech (should it be total or not? disagreement between the present pirates)
			** To be further discussed between pirates --> we need to discuss our values

	===~~Digging~~ / ~~Talking about our «core values»~~===		=== Citizen lists / [[Ministère de la Démocratie\|Ministry of democracy]] ===

	*importance of meeting, in ~~real life~~, and ~~dialogue~~		This subgroups, people involved in the Ministry of Democracy, and also citizen lists, did an update on how it is going in order to inform other pirates.
	*freedom of thought (but we cannot think alone! supposes dialogue - but it is different from freedom of speech), ~~trust, collaboration, global interest~~
	*no consensus on ~~freedom of speech (should~~ it ~~be total or not? disagreement between the present pirates)~~
	*to ~~be further discussed between~~ pirates ~~--> we need to discuss our values~~

	===~~Citizen lists /~~ Ministry of democracy ===		==== Ministry of democracy ====

	1) Ministry of democracy ~~- update on what~~ is ~~going on~~		Ministry of democracy is a workgroup, that is larger than just the pirate party, and means to get more democracy.

	~~Workgroup, that is larger than just the pirate party, and means to get more democracy~~
	3 steps of work horizon :		3 steps of work horizon :
	~~a. make~~ an inventory of democracy tools in Be (focus on Wallonia), not only institutional ones (e.g. referendum) but also private ones (e.g. G1000)		# Make an inventory of democracy tools in Belgium (focus on Wallonia), not only institutional ones (e.g. referendum) but also private ones (e.g. G1000)
	~~b. make~~ proposals to improve these tools		# Make proposals to improve these tools
	~~c. integrate~~ this into a political programme (e.g. the one of the pirate party)		# Integrate this into a political programme (e.g. the one of the pirate party)

	2) Citizen list in Liège ~~- update on how it's going on~~		==== Citizen list in Liège ====

	Ecolo at the initiative of a wider list, including pirates. But the ways of working or not enough transparent (information retention for instance ; not clear for which reasons) yet and it takes a lot of energy to improve them. Unbalance between Ecolo and the others. The internal organisation is being defined.		Ecolo at the initiative of a wider list, including pirates. But the ways of working are not enough transparent (information retention for instance ; not clear for which reasons) yet and it takes a lot of energy to improve them. Unbalance between Ecolo and the others. The internal organisation is being defined. It seems that some mistakes are similar to what the pirate party made before...
	It seems that some mistakes are similar to what the pirate party made before...

	Also mentioned situation of citizen list in OLLN : contacted by someone to join their list... wondering what to do.		Also mentioned situation of citizen list in OLLN : contacted by someone to join their list... wondering what to do.
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	===Pirate Lab organization===		=== [[Pirate Lab]] organization ===

	There is a demand from some pirates to have thematic labs (cf. a survey of Renaud on facebook, asking why people are not joining labs). We will experiment it for next lab (30/09 Mechelen).		There is a demand from some pirates to have thematic labs (cf. a survey of Renaud on facebook, asking why people are not joining labs). We will experiment it for [[Pirate Lab/Meeting/30 09 2017\|next lab (30/09 Mechelen)]].
	An informal poll will be opened on Facebook to gather ideas of themes (to do : Renaud), a Loomio thread will be opened about Labs (to do : Valerie), and decision of the theme will be done on Loomio ~~(or shall we decide now together for~~ a "safe" theme that we know can give birth to something practical? => privacy is selected as a "default" theme).
	We propose to have a lunch before the lab ~~(this~~ would be optional : it's for those who want to eat together, or for those who want to watch people eat together, also...).		An informal poll will be opened on Facebook to gather ideas of themes (to do : Renaud), a Loomio thread will be opened about Labs (to do : Valerie), and decision of the theme will be done on Loomio. We also decided to choose a "safe" theme that we know can give birth to something practical => privacy is selected as a "default" theme.

			We propose to have a lunch before the lab. This would be optional : it's for those who want to eat together, or for those who want to watch people eat together, also...

			=== Values ===

	~~===Values===~~
	No conclusions. It was an informal moment (discussing the core values), without closing moment.		No conclusions. It was an informal moment (discussing the core values), without closing moment.

			=== Conclusion ===

			[[Pirate Lab/Meeting/30 09 2017\|Next lab will be in Mechelen, on 30th September, 2pm]]. Those who want to come earlier for a lunch are welcome ;)

Vanecx: /* Reporting */ added report

2017-08-26T17:52:54Z

Reporting: added report

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	== Reporting ==		== Reporting ==

	~~Will~~ be ~~provided~~ at the ~~end~~ of the ~~meeting~~.		Subgroups have been created.

			===Open Organisation Maturity Model===

			*https://pad.pirateparty.be/p/The_Open_Organization_Maturity_Model_Project
			*https://pad.pirateparty.be/p/The_Open_Organization_Maturity_Model


			*New project starting up: follow it on loomio and wiki: a tool for a group to evaluate its ways of working in terms of openness, transparency, ...
			*no time constraint (yet... or let's say for the elections).

			*Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition!!!!


			===Digging / Talking about our «core values»===

			*importance of meeting, in real life, and dialogue
			*freedom of thought (but we cannot think alone! supposes dialogue - but it is different from freedom of speech), trust, collaboration, global interest
			*no consensus on freedom of speech (should it be total or not? disagreement between the present pirates)
			*to be further discussed between pirates --> we need to discuss our values

			===Citizen lists / Ministry of democracy ===

			1) Ministry of democracy - update on what is going on

			Workgroup, that is larger than just the pirate party, and means to get more democracy
			3 steps of work horizon :
			a. make an inventory of democracy tools in Be (focus on Wallonia), not only institutional ones (e.g. referendum) but also private ones (e.g. G1000)
			b. make proposals to improve these tools
			c. integrate this into a political programme (e.g. the one of the pirate party)

			2) Citizen list in Liège - update on how it's going on

			Ecolo at the initiative of a wider list, including pirates. But the ways of working or not enough transparent (information retention for instance ; not clear for which reasons) yet and it takes a lot of energy to improve them. Unbalance between Ecolo and the others. The internal organisation is being defined.
			It seems that some mistakes are similar to what the pirate party made before...

			Also mentioned situation of citizen list in OLLN : contacted by someone to join their list... wondering what to do.

			--> pirates should share their experience

			===Pirate Lab organization===

			There is a demand from some pirates to have thematic labs (cf. a survey of Renaud on facebook, asking why people are not joining labs). We will experiment it for next lab (30/09 Mechelen).
			An informal poll will be opened on Facebook to gather ideas of themes (to do : Renaud), a Loomio thread will be opened about Labs (to do : Valerie), and decision of the theme will be done on Loomio (or shall we decide now together for a "safe" theme that we know can give birth to something practical? => privacy is selected as a "default" theme).
			We propose to have a lunch before the lab (this would be optional : it's for those who want to eat together, or for those who want to watch people eat together, also...).

			===Values===
			No conclusions. It was an informal moment (discussing the core values), without closing moment.

HgO: add notice "please read the pad"

2017-08-23T21:42:27Z

add notice "please read the pad"

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	\|linkvenue=http://dautresmondes.org/		\|linkvenue=http://dautresmondes.org/
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	}}		}}
	We '''suggest''' to use the [[Internal_Democracy/Guidelines\|Internal Democracy Guidelines]] '''proposed''' by the [[Democracy\|internal democracy group]].		We '''suggest''' to use the [[Internal_Democracy/Guidelines\|Internal Democracy Guidelines]] '''proposed''' by the [[Democracy\|internal democracy group]].
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	'''Lab starts at 1 pm'''. Please come on time!		'''Lab starts at 1 pm'''. Please come on time!

			Suggestions about the agenda happen on this pad. We strongly advise you to '''read the pad''' before coming to this lab!

	Direct link: https://pad.pirateparty.be/p/Piratelab2017-August		Direct link: https://pad.pirateparty.be/p/Piratelab2017-August

Vanecx: venue confirmed + published on FB

2017-08-07T21:01:51Z

venue confirmed + published on FB

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	== To-do list ==		== To-do list ==
	*Confirm venue ~~(ongoing)~~		*<s>Confirm venue</s>
	*Publish on FB ~~(once venue is confirmed)~~		*<s>Publish on FB</s>

	== Discussion pad ==		== Discussion pad ==

Vanecx: added to-do

2017-08-07T09:32:31Z

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	Please do take note that there is a discussion ongoing about changing the format of the Labs (longer but less often). [https://www.loomio.org/d/fcL0hHPD/piratelab-to-one-entire-day-every-2-months-we-are-in-the-urgence-of-taking-time- Join the discussion]		Please do take note that there is a discussion ongoing about changing the format of the Labs (longer but less often). [https://www.loomio.org/d/fcL0hHPD/piratelab-to-one-entire-day-every-2-months-we-are-in-the-urgence-of-taking-time- Join the discussion]

	~~The~~ venue ~~has yet to be~~ confirmed.		== To-do list ==
			*Confirm venue (ongoing)
			*Publish on FB (once venue is confirmed)

	== Discussion pad ==		== Discussion pad ==

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2017-08-07T09:15:44Z

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We '''suggest''' to use the [[Internal_Democracy/Guidelines|Internal Democracy Guidelines]] '''proposed''' by the [[Democracy|internal democracy group]].

Please do take note that there is a discussion ongoing about changing the format of the Labs (longer but less often). [https://www.loomio.org/d/fcL0hHPD/piratelab-to-one-entire-day-every-2-months-we-are-in-the-urgence-of-taking-time- Join the discussion]

The venue has yet to be confirmed.

== Discussion pad ==

'''Lab starts at 1 pm'''. Please come on time!

Direct link: https://pad.pirateparty.be/p/Piratelab2017-August

== Agenda ==

If empty, feel free to edit or use the pad here-over.

== Reporting ==

Will be provided at the end of the meeting.