Links between press & GAFAM - Revision history

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	* as we attack the press, we might be assimilated to a populist party (because attacking the press is a trademark of populism) => we need to document carefully each affirmation		* as we attack the press, we might be assimilated to a populist party (because attacking the press is a trademark of populism) => we need to document carefully each affirmation
	* the press might hate us => it's not our objective, we believe in the press; also, we don't have much to lose anyway, our media cover is almost non-existing...		* the press might hate us => it's not our objective, we believe in the press; also, we don't have much to lose anyway, our media cover is almost non-existing...

			== Events ==
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	== Timeline/Process ==		== Timeline/Process ==

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	* <s>Start of the project during the [[Pirate_Lab/Meeting/30_11_2019#Publication_of_an_article_about_the_links_between_press.2Fmedia_.26_GAFAM\|Lab of 30/11/2019]]</s>		* <s>Start of the project during the [[Pirate_Lab/Meeting/30_11_2019#Publication_of_an_article_about_the_links_between_press.2Fmedia_.26_GAFAM\|Lab of 30/11/2019]]</s>
	* <s>Creation of a wikipage for the project : done 28/03.</s>		* <s>Creation of a wikipage for the project : done 28/03.</s>
	* Creation of a Loomio thread to announce the project and have feedback		* <s>Creation of a Loomio thread to announce the project and have feedback</s> : [https://www.loomio.org/d/0YrNXhmM/links-between-press-gafam done 29/03]
	* Creation of a pad to document these links between press & GAFAM		* <s>Creation of a pad to document these links between press & GAFAM</s> : [https://pad.parley.be/p/press-love-gafam done 29/03]
			* Documentation on this pad
	* Discussion to decide on next steps : creation of one or several articles, press release, petition, open letter, public gatherings, etc		* Discussion to decide on next steps : creation of one or several articles, press release, petition, open letter, public gatherings, etc

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	== Timeline/Process ==		== Timeline/Process ==
	* ~~The discussion started~~ during the [[Pirate_Lab/Meeting/30_11_2019#Publication_of_an_article_about_the_links_between_press.2Fmedia_.26_GAFAM\|Lab of 30/11/2019]]		* <s>Start of the project during the [[Pirate_Lab/Meeting/30_11_2019#Publication_of_an_article_about_the_links_between_press.2Fmedia_.26_GAFAM\|Lab of 30/11/2019]]</s>
	* ~~1st we open~~ a and ~~complete~~ a pad ~~(and organize the info on a wiki page)~~ to document ~~what we can find~~		* <s>Creation of a wikipage for the project : done 28/03.</s>
	* ~~for the~~ next steps, ~~we need to think about what concrete actions we can do (~~open letter, ~~1 article? several articles?). But we can't do that without completing 1st step.~~		* Creation of a Loomio thread to announce the project and have feedback
	* Any person who wants to help this project can contact us		* Creation of a pad to document these links between press & GAFAM
			* Discussion to decide on next steps : creation of one or several articles, press release, petition, open letter, public gatherings, etc

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Description

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	** who noticed in the news the information about [https://www.amnesty.be/infos/actualites/article/facebook-google-surveillance-generalisee-dangeureuse?lang=fr the Amnesty International report about GAFAM]?		** who noticed in the news the information about [https://www.amnesty.be/infos/actualites/article/facebook-google-surveillance-generalisee-dangeureuse?lang=fr the Amnesty International report about GAFAM]?

	In the last months/years, the press overwhelmingly claimed it was fighting for democracy against GAFAM. Let's take them at their word about this, and show them the problem. Either they are unaware of it, blind, or hypocrit. Either case we need to tell them by calling out this collaboration. Who else will?		'''In the last months/years, the press overwhelmingly claimed it was fighting for democracy against GAFAM. Let's take them at their word about this, and show them the problem. Either they are unaware of it, blind, or hypocrit. Either case we need to tell them by calling out this collaboration. Who else will?'''

	There are 2 risks :		There are 2 risks :
	* as we attack the press, we might be assimilated to a populist party (because attacking the press is a trademark of populism) => we need to document carefully each affirmation		* as we attack the press, we might be assimilated to a populist party (because attacking the press is a trademark of populism) => we need to document carefully each affirmation
	* the press might hate us => it's not our objective, we believe in the press; also, we don't have much to lose anyway, our media cover is almost non-existing...		* the press might hate us => it's not our objective, we believe in the press; also, we don't have much to lose anyway, our media cover is almost non-existing...


	== Timeline/Process ==		== Timeline/Process ==

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	== Process ==		== Timeline/Process ==
			* The discussion started during the [[Pirate_Lab/Meeting/30_11_2019#Publication_of_an_article_about_the_links_between_press.2Fmedia_.26_GAFAM\|Lab of 30/11/2019]]
	* 1st we open a and complete a pad (and organize the info on a wiki page) to document what we can find		* 1st we open a and complete a pad (and organize the info on a wiki page) to document what we can find
	* for the next steps, we need to think about what concrete actions we can do (open letter, 1 article? several articles?). But we can't do that without completing 1st step.		* for the next steps, we need to think about what concrete actions we can do (open letter, 1 article? several articles?). But we can't do that without completing 1st step.
	* Any person who wants to help this project can contact us		* Any person who wants to help this project can contact us

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== Description ==
Context :
*GAFAM are an issue
*press/media said they were fighting for democracy against GAFAM during the Copyright Directive debate
*but press/media are not actually fighting against GAFAM, au contraire
*let's do something (article, communiqué, open letter, petition...) to ask press/media to stop collaborating actively with GAFAM
*some things that corroborate that collaboration :
** cookies, trackers on the press websites are unavoidable (not even respecting GDPR)
** same for apps
** media cover is overwhelmingly about GAFAM and often very pro-GAFAM
*** Example : "[https://www.rtbf.be/tendance/techno/detail_google-photo-comment-taguer-manuellement-des-personnes?id=10376289 Google Photos : Comment taguer manuellement des personnes ?]"
** agreements have been signed between Copiepresse (french- & german-speaking belgian press) and Google in 2012
*** [http://www.copiepresse.be/images/file/Google/2012_12_12_Copiepresse_communique_de_presse_FR.pdf "Les parties ont aussi convenu d'utiliser leurs médias respectifs pour promouvoir les services offerts par chacun d’eux."]
** comments under the articles are only open to people using Facebook; some contests too; many invitations to join Facebook (now more Instagram) on RTBF radio
*** [https://www.lesoir.be/236272/article/2019-07-12/lactualite-en-images-suivez-le-soir-sur-instagram July 2019, Le Soir activates a Instagram account]
*** [https://www.lesoir.be/art/1311516/article/economie/vie-du-net/2016-09-07/comment-recevoir-l-information-au-quotidien-sur-whatsapp-avec-soir September 2019, Le Soir activates a new Whatsapp service]
** articles are almost never about the alternatives (decentralized or free software), and when they talk about it, it can be full of mistakes
*** this [https://www.lalibre.be/economie/entreprises-startup/mastodon-sur-la-pointe-des-pieds-58f89ea9cd70812a658b7670 article from La Libre]for example, a rare mention of Mastodon :
*** "Et… ça va servir à quoi ce nouveau réseau ? C’est toute la question. Sans réel contrôle, il y a le risque de voir ce drôle d’oiseau (c’est une image) servir de déversoir à stupidités (bravo !) ou de mauvaises idées (hum !). Il y a donc là un nouveau Far West numérique où il conviendra d’être prudent et circonspect. A commencer par utiliser des identifiants et mots de passe bien différents de ceux qu’on a l’habitude de créer. Qui sait de quelle manière ils sont sécurisés…"
** who noticed in the news the information about [https://www.amnesty.be/infos/actualites/article/facebook-google-surveillance-generalisee-dangeureuse?lang=fr the Amnesty International report about GAFAM]?

In the last months/years, the press overwhelmingly claimed it was fighting for democracy against GAFAM. Let's take them at their word about this, and show them the problem. Either they are unaware of it, blind, or hypocrit. Either case we need to tell them by calling out this collaboration. Who else will?

There are 2 risks :
* as we attack the press, we might be assimilated to a populist party (because attacking the press is a trademark of populism) => we need to document carefully each affirmation
* the press might hate us => it's not our objective, we believe in the press; also, we don't have much to lose anyway, our media cover is almost non-existing...

== Process ==
* 1st we open a and complete a pad (and organize the info on a wiki page) to document what we can find
* for the next steps, we need to think about what concrete actions we can do (open letter, 1 article? several articles?). But we can't do that without completing 1st step.
* Any person who wants to help this project can contact us