Pirate Party Belgium - User contributions [en]

F**** (suggested) manual FR

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Note:
* Aussi présent en [[F****_(suggested)_manual|anglais]] et [[F****_(suggested)_manual|néerlandais]].

== Introduction ==

Ce document a pour objectif de décrire la démarche et la structure du Parti Pirate de Belgique.

La démarche est pensée comme '''une vague''' :

*comme une vague, '''elle progresse de façon horizontale'''. C’est-à-dire ni du haut vers le bas (up-bottom) : ce n’est pas un petit groupe de gens qui va, du haut de son excellence ou de son expertise, dire comment il faut que ça marche. De même, aucune illusion, en terme d’efficacité, à se faire sur le bottom-up : différents Mouvements (Indignados en Europe, Occupy Wall Street aux USA, Mouvement du 20 février au Maroc, Takriz en Tunisie) se sont épuisés à force de se bercer – et de faire vivre – de cette illusion.
*comme une vague, '''elle est auto alimentée'''. C’est-à-dire que le projet ne tirera sa force que…du projet. C’est ce que les Pirates feront du Parti qui déterminera ce qu’est le Parti. L’impulsion ne vient de nulle part ailleurs. Si la critique est nécessaire au Parti, la critique constructive est plus appréciable et sera plus appréciée.
*enfin, a toute vague, comme en toutes choses, '''de l’écume''', comme dirait Boris Vian. Ce qui veut dire que cette aventure va générer une multitude de petits problèmes qu’il s’agira de ne pas négliger.

La structure du Parti est celle d’'''un réseau distribué''' :

Les membres d’un réseau distribué sont '''autonomes''', '''libres''' d'agir et de contribuer (et donc aussi de se retirer, de ne pas participer), et ne sont '''pas soumis ni contrôlés par une autorité hiérarchique'''.

Pour que naissent ce type de relation entre individus dans un réseau distribué, les membres du réseau doivent être considérés comme '''équipotentiels''', c’est-à-dire que chacun dispose des mêmes capacités de participer, du militant occasionnel aux responsables actifs, et que tous dispose de la même capacité de contribuer, sans sélection préalable (si ce n’est celle d’être membre du réseau...cela va de soi, mais ça va mieux en le disant). Les membres du réseau sont '''unis autour d'un projet commun''', « un objet ». En l’occurrence, la défense des trois priorités des Pirates et la promotion de la vision du monde qui en découle.

La cohésion d’un réseau distribué tient pour une bonne part dans l’'''holoptisme''', c’est-à-dire la capacité de chaque membre de voir le tout, aussi bien horizontalement (avec les autres membres) que le système dans son entièreté. C’est le '''contraire de la situation d’un système hiérarchique''', où la capacité de voir le système dans son ensemble est réservée à la hiérarchie (on parle dans ce cas de panoptisme).

La force d’une organisation politique en réseau distribué tient donc dans la souplesse des structures, l’absence de hiérarchie et une autorité mouvante.

'''Le pouvoir est dans la structure et ce pouvoir n’est pas « représentatif », il n’y a pas de délégation de pouvoirs.'''

== Overview ==

Le membre du Parti Pirate est au cœur d’un réseau distribué d’organes constitutifs. Il participe à tous les « nœuds », ou plutôt, il a la « possibilité » de participer à tous les nœuds.

*Par défaut, tous les membres du Parti intègrent un <ins>'''Crew'''</ins>
*S’ils le souhaitent, tous les membres du Parti peuvent intégrer une ou plusieurs '''Escouade(s)'''
*Une '''Coreteam''' coordonne la formation, le développement,, l’action et la production des Equipages et des Escouades.
*Une association, '''« The Black Pearl »''', assure le financement et la gestion administrative et logistique du Projet Pirate.

== Les Equipages (Crew) ==
C’est l’unité de base du Parti Pirate.

Son objectif, en tant que principe d’organisation, est d’impliquer TOUS les Pirates dans TOUS les rouages du Parti.

Définition : Un Crew est une entité auto-organisée et locale du Parti Pirate. Il sert aux nouveaux Pirates, membres du Parti, à rejoindre un réseau de connaissances et à faire leurs premiers pas dans la politique. Les Pirates s’organisent et travaillent comme ils le veulent, tant qu’ils rencontrent l’ensemble des critères de validité suivants et qu’ils accomplissent régulièrement leurs devoirs.

=== Critères de validité ===
*Un Pirate ne peut rejoindre et/ou former qu’un seul Crew
*Un Crew est composé de cinq à neuf Pirates. Sept Pirates est l'idéal : à sept, il est possible de s’asseoir autour d’une table pour avoir une conversation sérieuse. Au-delà de neuf, le Crew doit se scinder en deux nouveaux groupes. Si le Crew se réduit à moins de cinq Pirates, ceux-ci doivent rejoindre un autre Crew ou trouver de nouveaux Pirates.
*Un Crew est nécessairement composé de Pirates des deux genres.
*Le Crew doit organiser au moins deux Meetups par mois et au moins deux réunions de travail par mois.
*Les décisions se prennent au consensus. Le vote doit être utilisé de façon exceptionnelle car c’est le signe d’un échec des discussions. Dans ce cas, ce fait doit être consigné dans le procès-verbal de la réunion de travail concernée.

=== Devoirs ===
*Créer du lien entre les Pirates
*Organiser des Meetups pour donner l’occasion aux nouveaux Pirates d’embarquer
*Recruter et encadrer les nouveaux membres
*Discuter, débattre et agir
*Communiquer et promouvoir les priorités du Parti et la vision du monde qui en découle
*Mener campagne

== Les Escouades (Squad)==
C’est l’<ins>unité de production</ins> du Parti.

Comme les Crew sont des « lieux de socialisation », les Squad sont des « lieux de travail ». C’est en leur sein que s’effectue la production politique proprement dite (rapports, actions, études, propositions, plans d’actions,…).

Définition : Une Escouade est un groupe de travail duquel est issu l’ensemble des décisions/positions/actions du Parti. L’Escouade formalise les impulsions/initiatives/idées fournies par les Pirates.

=== Critères de validité ===
*Un Squad s’établit autour d’une thématique, d’un projet ou d’une urgence (Voir plus bas)
*Un Squad est composé de Pirates de Crew différents. Au minimum, le Squad est composé de deux Pirates (de deux Crew différents). Un Squad ne peut contenir plus de deux Pirates d’un même Crew.
*Un Pirate peut faire partie d’autant de Squad qu’il le souhaite (mais, rappelons le, d’un seul Crew)
*Les seules conditions pour rejoindre un Squad sont l’intention et la capacité de participer.
*Les décisions se prennent au consensus. Le vote doit être utilisé de façon exceptionnelle car c’est le signe d’un échec des discussions. Dans ce cas, ce fait doit être consigné dans le procès-verbal de la réunion de travail concernée.
*Un Squad tient à jour un point central d’informations (page wiki, mailing list,…). La transparence des procédures de production est la condition indispensable à la légitimité des travaux d’un Squad.

=== Typologie & Devoirs ===
*'''Thematic Squad''' : ce sont les groupes de travail thématique. Agriculture, éducation, santé,…C’est en leur sein que se fabriquent les positions, décisions, études, rapports, etc… qui serviront au Parti. Les deux critères essentiels de validité sont le « sourcing » et la transparence. Le premier critère impose que, comme sur Wikipedia, tout élément de proposition et/ou d’argumentation doit être appuyé d’une documentation. Le deuxième critère stipule que ladite documentation doit être accessible à tous. Raison pour laquelle toute la production du Parti passera par [[Liquid Feedback]].
*'''Project Squad''' : ce sont des groupes de projet. Un projet se définit par une date de début, une date de fin, un échéancier, un produit final et un Project Manager. Celui-ci est responsable du projet, du respect des délais et de l’adéquation avec le Projet/Parti Pirate. Le project manager entre en relation avec les Speakers pour faire connaître l’initiative, vérifier son originalité (pas de doublons) et rassembler des ressources humaines.
*'''Emergency Squad''' : ce sont des groupes de travail d’urgence. Lorsqu’une urgence se présente, deux Pirates peuvent solliciter l’installation d’un Emergency Squad. Dans ce genre de Squad, le résultat compte davantage que la procédure . Raison pour laquelle ce type de Squad doit n’apparaître qu’en cas d’urgence.

== Interactions entre Crew et Squad ==
=== Entre les Crew ===
Chaque Crew doit désigner en son sein un Speaker. De préférence, une autre personne que celle qui a initié le Crew.
Le Speaker est le lien avec les autres Crew. Il discute – au travers d’une mailing list, d’un forum de discussion et/ou de rencontres régulières – avec les Speakers des autres Crew.
Le Speaker rend compte de ses discussions aux membres de son Crew.
Il n’a pas de voix supplémentaire ou prédominante.
Ce groupe de Speakers n’a pas vocation à débattre : il assure plutôt la cohésion, la communication et la synergie entre les Crew.

=== Entre les Squad ===
Pour les Thematic Squad, puisque tous leurs travaux sont visibles par tous les Pirates, il n’y a pas de procédures particulières de communication. Comme dit plus haut, les critères essentiels de validité d’un Thematic Squad est le sourcing et la transparence.

'''Aucune décision/position/produit ne se sera adopté s’il n’est pas clairement et solidement argumenté et si le processus qui a amené à cette prise de position/décision/produit n’est pas visible par tous les Pirates.'''

Pour les Project Squad, le Project Manager et le groupe des Speaker s’échangent les informations utiles pour la bonne réalisation du projet. Le Project Manager fait appels aux Speakers pour disposer de ressources utiles au Projet.

L’implémentation des Ermergency Squad, de par leur caractère urgent, ne répond qu’à une obligation de résultats.

=== Entre les Crew et les Squad ===
Le travail effectué au sein des Squads est répercuté chez les autres Pirates par le biais de son Crew et de son Speaker. Comme dit plus haut, pour intégrer un Squad, il n’y pas d’autres conditions que l’intention et la capacité de participer.

== La Coreteam ==

C’est un groupe constitué principalement des responsables régionaux du Projet Pirate. Dans chacune des quatre régions du pays, un responsable est identifié. Sa fonction est de coordonner, dans sa région, le développement et l’action des Equipages et des Escouades.

Les Responsables Régionaux coordonnent le mouvement Pirate au niveau fédéral au sein de la Coreteam. Ils peuvent se faire accompagner de qui ils le souhaitent lors des réunions de la Coreteam.

La Coreteam est un organe collégial : les décisions se prennent à l’unanimité ou au consensus. Il ne saurait être question de vote.

=== Responsabilités de la Coreteam ===
*Communication officielle du Parti
*Constitution des listes électorales
*Investiture des candidats aux élections
*Aspects financiers du Projet, en liaison avec le Black Pearl.

== The Black Pearl ==

Comme le stipule l’article 3 des statuts de l’asbl : ''« L’association a pour but de recueillir et gérer les finances, les financements publics et privés ainsi que les cotisations des membres du Parti Pirate et en supporter les dépenses de fonctionnement et dépenses électorales. L’association apporte son soutien logistique en termes de ressources humaines, matérielles et financières au Parti Pirate. Elle peut accomplir tous les actes de quelque nature que ce soit se rapportant directement ou indirectement à son objet ou visant à le faciliter. »''

Dans son article 5, les mêmes statuts précisent qui fait partie de l’association :
*le président, les vice-présidents et le secrétaire général du Parti Pirate de Belgique ;
*11 personnes désignées pour 4 ans dont les chefs de groupe parlementaire et des membres à voix délibérative du Bureau du Parti Pirate ;
*1 à 5 personnes choisies par le Bureau du Parti Pirate sur base de leur compétence, notamment dans les matières financières, juridiques, de communications et d’études. »

Les actuels administrateurs sont Marouan El Moussaoui, Nofel Tiani, Paul Bossu, Jonas Degrave et Line Callebaut.

== Moments ==
Il convient de distinguer les 3 sortes de moments qui peuvent amener les Pirates à se rencontrer :

=== Les PirateBeer ===

Ce sont des réunions informelles dont la finalité est l’accueil et le recrutement des nouveaux membres.
Les PirateBeer doivent être annoncées et tenues publiquement et régulièrement.
Ils sont l’occasion, pour un futur nouveau membre, de faire un premier pas vers les Pirates et de se renseigner sur le Projet.
Ils ont organisés par les Crews, dont c’est une mission essentielle : les PirateBeer sont un moyen systématique, régulier et convivial d’amener de nouvelles recrues.
Ces moments doivent être conviviaux : éviter les rassemblements autour d’une grande table (toujours intimidant) et opter plutôt pour les discussions en petits groupes. Chaque petit groupe est animé par un membre du Crew organisateur.

=== Les Working Session ===

Ce sont des réunions formelles, avec ordre du jour et procès-verbal, publiés respectivement la semaine avant et la semaine après celle de la tenue de la réunion.
Ce procès-verbal doit contenir au minimum les éléments suivants :
*Date et lieu de la réunion
*Noms des présents, des absents et des excusés
*L’approbation du procès-verbal de la réunion précédente
*Le rapport du Speaker (voir plus bas)
*Les points abordés lors de la réunion
*Qui est fait quoi dans quel Squad ? (voir plus bas)

=== Les Team Building Session ===

Ce sont toutes les autres occasions de rencontrer des Pirates (soirée, visite, LAN party, participation à un événement, colloque, beuveries, abordages,…)

Cette typologie est importante car elle évite la confusion des genres lors des rencontres. Elle permet en outre de situer le nouveau membre dans sa démarche d’implication dans le Parti : ça commence par un Meetup, suit une Working Session à l’occasion de laquelle la méthodologie Pirate est expliqué et à l’issue de laquelle le nouveau membre est prêt à rejoindre ou former un Equipage.

== Aspects financiers ==

Les Règles ci-dessous s’appliquent au Parti Pirate de Belgique, ses Equipages, ses Escouades, ses Groupes de travail et toute structure formelle ou informelle qui se présentent comme un élément du Parti Pirate de Belgique.

*Tous les biens mobiliers et immobiliers et tous les fonds doivent être utilisés dans le cadre de la réalisation des objectifs du Parti Pirate, et seulement dans ce cadre.
*Chaque Pirate peut librement, après une requête auprès de la Coreteam, avoir accès aux rapports financiers du Parti Pirate.
*Tous les comptes bancaires du Parti Pirate :
**seront distincts de ceux de ses membres ;
**doivent requérir au moins deux signatures pour libérer des fonds ou effectuer des paiements ;
**utilisent les mots « PPBe » (ou « Pirate Party Belgium ») dans son intitulé.
*Tous les comptes bancaires du Parti Pirate de Belgique, y compris ses Equipages, ses Escouades, ses Groupes de travail et toutes les structures formelles ou informelles qui se présentent comme un élément du Parti Pirate, seront soumis à un audit annuel sur base duquel sera rédigé un rapport financier annuel. Ce rapport sera rendu public à tous les Pirates.
*Tous les Equipages, les Escouades, les Groupes de travail et toutes structures formelles ou informelles qui se présentent comme un élément du Parti Pirate de Belgique, doivent informer le Trésorier du Parti immédiatement après l’ouverture d’un compte bancaire. Doivent être connus : les informations financières nécessaires (numéros,…) et les noms et contacts des trésoriers responsables. Sur requête de la Coreteam, les relevés de compte doivent être présentés.
*Tous les Equipages, les Escouades, les Groupes de travail et toutes structures formelles ou informelles qui se présentent comme un élément du Parti Pirate de Belgique prennent acte que les fonds collectés pour le Parti Pirate sont la propriété exclusive du Parti Pirate. A la dissolution d’une structure, celle-ci transfère tous les biens mobiliers et immobiliers et tous les fonds en sa possession au Parti Pirate de Belgique.
*Le non-respect des règles financières ci-dessus mènent à une exclusion immédiate du Parti et à de possibles poursuites judiciaires.

ITNow

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Some informations provided by the [[ITSquad]].

== Domains ==

=== pirateparty.be ===

The main website running since 2013 has been replaced in 2016.

Complete copies of the Drupal have been kept. Contact itsquad+@+pirateparty.be, or come to a [[Pirate Lab]] if you wish to work on a project to keep it accessible somehow.

* WordPress Multi-sites with sub-domains, some «main plugins» and [https://letsencrypt.org/ LetsEncrypt] for SSL:
** IP : 88.99.32.94
** Host : luffy
** [[#nl.pirateparty.be]] for [[#piratenpartij.be]]
** [[#fr.pirateparty.be]] for [[#lepartipirate.be]]
** pirateparty.be for [[#www.pirateparty.be]] and [[#diepiratenpartei.be]] ![[#Todos]]
** [https://wordpress.org/plugins/multisite-language-switcher/ Multisite Language Switcher]
** [https://wordpress.org/plugins/all-in-one-event-calendar/ AllInOneEvents] plugin
** [https://wordpress.org/plugins/wysija-newsletters/ MailPoet Newsletter] plugin
<br/>
* Registrar : [[#Networking4all]]
* Hosting : [[#Hetzner]]
* MX (emails) : [[#Infomaniak]]
* Emails Accounts and forwards : [[Emails]]
* Owner : coreteam+@+pirateparty.be (tells us http://www.dnsbelgium.be/)
* Sub domains with a different service:
** [[#wiki.pirateparty.be]]
** [[#pad.pirateparty.be]]

Nameservers
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ns1.networking4all.com
ns2.networking4all.net
ns3.networking4all.org
ns4.networking4all.info

=== lepartipirate.be ===

* Registrar : [[#Networking4all]]
* Hosting : [[#Hetzner]]
* Owner : coreteam+@+pirateparty.be (tells us http://www.dnsbelgium.be/)
* Relatel to : [[#pirateparty.be]]

Nameservers
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ns1.networking4all.com
ns2.networking4all.net
ns3.networking4all.org
ns4.networking4all.info

Sub domains like wiki. and opinion. are not linked to [[#wiki.pirateparty.be]] or [[#opinion.pirateparty.be]].

=== piratenpartij.be ===

* Registrar : [[#Networking4all]]
* Hosting : [[#Hetzner]]
* Owner : coreteam+@+pirateparty.be (tells us http://www.dnsbelgium.be/)
* Relatel to : [[#pirateparty.be]]

Nameservers
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ns1.networking4all.com
ns2.networking4all.net
ns3.networking4all.org
ns4.networking4all.info

Sub domains like wiki. and opinion. are not linked to [[#wiki.pirateparty.be]] or [[#opinion.pirateparty.be]].

=== diepiratenpartei.be ===

* Registrar : [[#Networking4all]]
* Hosting : [[#Hetzner]]
* Owner : coreteam+@+pirateparty.be (tells us http://www.dnsbelgium.be/)
* Relatel to : [[#pirateparty.be]]

Nameservers
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ns1.networking4all.com
ns2.networking4all.net
ns3.networking4all.org
ns4.networking4all.info

Sub domains like wiki. and opinion. are not linked to [[#wiki.pirateparty.be]] or [[#opinion.pirateparty.be]].

=== parley.be ===

* Registrar : [[#Networking4all]]
* Hosting : None
* Owner : coreteam+@+pirateparty.be (tells us http://www.dnsbelgium.be/)

Nameservers
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ns1.networking4all.com
ns2.networking4all.net
ns3.networking4all.org
ns4.networking4all.info

=== partipirate.be ===

* Registrar : [[#Ovh]]
* Owner : patrick+@+p-installe.be (tells us http://www.dnsbelgium.be/)
* IP : 144.76.64.251 [[#Questions]]

Nameservers
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ns13.ovh.net
dns13.ovh.net

=== piratepad.be ===

* Registrar : [[#Networking4all]]
* Hosting : [[#Wireless Belgie]]
* Owner : koendevoegt2002+@+yahoo.co.uk (tells us http://www.dnsbelgium.be/)
* IP : 188.210.92.26

Nameservers
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ns1.networking4all.com
ns2.networking4all.net
ns3.networking4all.org
ns4.networking4all.info

This is the Etherpad server maintained by Koen. The pads are available «as it» or integrated into [[#wiki.pirateparty.be]] pages.

=== piratelab.be ===

* Registrar : [[#Ovh]]
* Hosting : [[#Ovh]]
* Owner : vincent.lejeune+@+protonmail.com (tells us http://www.dnsbelgium.be/)
* Page on this wiki : [[Pirate_Lab]]

Nameservers
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dns11.ovh.net
ns11.ovh.net

This is the new (2016) project for a website / newsletter system '''if we do not find enough human resources''' to run [[#www.pirateparty.be]] and other stuffs like [[#parley.be]], [[#wiki.pirateparty.be]] or [[#opinion.pirateparty.be]].

== Sub Domains ==

=== fr.pirateparty.be ===

* One of the [[#pirateparty.be]] multi/sites.
* Serves also [[#lepartipirate.be]] domain.

=== nl.pirateparty.be ===

* One of the [[#pirateparty.be]] multi/sites.
* Serves also [[#piratenpartij.be]] domain.

=== pad.pirateparty.be ===

* What : Etherpad-Lite [http://etherpad.org/]
* Where : on a VM hosted by [[#Hetzner]]

The collaborative editor used to take notes, also known as ''pads''

=== www.pirateparty.be ===

* Redirect to [[#pirateparty.be]]
* Serves also [[#diepiratenpartei.be]] domain.

=== wiki.pirateparty.be ===

* What : Mediawiki ([[Special:Version|about current running version]])
* Where : on a VM hosted by [[#Hetzner]]

The main (and current) Wiki since 2011.

=== www.lepartipirate.be ===

* Linked to : [[#www.pirateparty.be]]

=== tubize.partipirate.be ===

* What : a [https://www.dokuwiki.org DokuWiki]
* Where : hosted by [[#Ovh]]

Have a look yourself : https://tubize.partipirate.be

=== finance.partipirate.be ===

* What : a [https://www.dokuwiki.org DokuWiki]
* Where : hosted by [[#Ovh]]

Used by the [[FinanceSquad|Finance]] folks and do not hesitate [https://finance.partipirate.be to have a look].

== Decommissioned services ==

=== opinion.pirateparty.be ===

* What : GetOpinionated
* Sources : https://github.com/getopinionated/getopinionated

Theoretically used to help in the writing of the Pirate Party Political Program.

A complete copy of the Virtual Machine used to host GetOp is available on request to the [[ITSquad]].

=== finance.pirateparty.be ===

* What : a table with some bank movements (not updated since 2014)

A complete copy of the Virtual Machine used to host «finance» is available on request to the [[ITSquad]].

== Registrars and Hosting Providers ==

=== Networking4all ===

Sold to [[#Metaregistrar]] in early 2017.

=== Metaregistrar ===

* About : https://www.metaregistrar.com/
* Logon page : https://control.metaregistrar.com/login
* For the domains :
** [[#pirateparty.be]]
** [[#lepartipirate.be]]
** [[#piratenpartij.be]]
** [[#diepiratenpartei.be]]
** [[#parley.be]]
** [[#piratepad.be]]

=== Ovh ===

* About : https://www.ovh.com/fr/support/nous-contacter/
* Logon page : https://www.ovh.com/manager//web/login/
* For the domains :
** [[#partipirate.be]]
** [[#piratelab.be]]

=== Hetzner ===

* About : https://www.hetzner.de/hosting/legal/impressum
* Owner : coreteam+@+pirateparty.be
* Used by :
** [[#pirateparty.be]]
** [[#pad.pirateparty.be]]
** [[#wiki.pirateparty.be]]

=== Wireless Belgie ===

* About : http://wirelessbelgie.be/
* Owner : Probably Koen Devoegt.
* Used by :
** [[#piratepad.be]]

=== Infomaniak ===

* About : https://www.infomaniak.ch/
* Owner : coreteam+@+pirateparty.be
* Used by : [[Emails]]

== Other «channels» with activity ==
Places where you can find daily or weekly changes.

=== Facebook ===

* Artwerpen : https://www.facebook.com/Antwerpse.Piratenpartij
* Belgian : https://www.facebook.com/pirateparty.be
* Brussels : https://www.facebook.com/groups/ppbrusselscity/
* Brussels Bis : https://www.facebook.com/PPBxl
* BW : https://www.facebook.com/pages/Parti-Pirate-Brabant-wallon/132640623428484
* Gent : https://www.facebook.com/pages/Piratenpartij-Gent/242254335833334
* La Louvière : https://www.facebook.com/PartiPirateLaLouviere
* Liège : https://www.facebook.com/pages/Parti-Pirate-Li%C3%A8ge/108457399202015
* Namur : https://www.facebook.com/PartiPirateNamur
* Pirate Belgian United : https://www.facebook.com/groups/477476422399809 (closed group)
* Waasland : https://www.facebook.com/PiratenPartijWaasland/

=== Loomio ===
For discussions and decisions processes.

More on the [[Loomio]] page.

=== Telegram ===
Discussion Chat / Voip

* https://telegram.me/ (based on invitation ?)

=== Mailchimp ===
Our newsletter tool according to [[User:HgO|Hadrien]] from a comment on [https://www.loomio.org/d/KhXLGfau/convocation this discussion] on Loomio.

* Used to send email invitation to General Assemblies.
* Used to send newsletter until another tool is provided.

== Other «channels» with little activity ==
Places where you can find monthly or yearly changes.

=== Crew websites ===

* Antwerpen : http://antwerpsepiraten.be

=== Eventbrite ===

* Someone must have some kind of access because of [https://www.eventbrite.com/e/pirate-assembly-spring-2016-tickets-22629003960 this].

=== Framasphere ===

* https://framasphere.org/u/ppbe

=== Slack ===
Discussions about General Assembly 2016, Website, Social Medias and Bots.

* https://ppbe.slack.com/

=== Transparency of deliberative assemblies ===
Thanks to Patrick (and maybe some other pirates?). Is there some «source code shared somewhere» to help others to build some clone of those services?

* http://droitderegard.be (for Wallonia)

=== Trello ===

For the IT Squad.

* https://trello.com/b/pE83zsaW/it-squad

=== Twitter ===

* Belgian : https://twitter.com/PiratesBE
* BW : https://twitter.com/pp_bw
* Gent : https://twitter.com/ppgent
* Liège : https://twitter.com/#!/pp_liege
* Multi account tool : https://tweetdeck.twitter.com/ (To share the Twitter account access)
* Squad [[Internal Communication tools|Internal Communication]] : https://twitter.com/CrewsSquadsNews

== Other «channels» without activity or dead ==
Places where no changes where detected over a year or not reachable any more.

=== Blogs ===

* Gent : http://ppgent.wordpress.com/

=== Github ===

* https://github.com/317070/ppbe-finance
* https://github.com/ppbe/ppbe [[for #www.pirateparty.be]]
* https://github.com/getopinionated/getopinionated [[for #opinion.pirateparty.be]]

=== Gitlab ===

* https://gitlab.com/groups/PPBE_IT

=== Google(+) ===

* Bw : https://plus.google.com/u/0/108484344208949422944/posts

=== XMPP ===
Trying to get this to be used for the development of the new website.

* Have look on the [[XMPP]] tutorial.

== For the records ==

Here is a list of Facebook accounts that need to be sorted (is it still alive ? active ? ... ?) :

* [https://www.facebook.com/getopinionated GetOpiniated]
* [https://www.facebook.com/partipiratetournai Pirate Tournai]
* [https://www.facebook.com/Ulk1180 Parti Pirate Uccle - Ulk 1180 Crew]
* [https://www.facebook.com/PartiPirateBraineLalleud Parti Pirate Braine-l'Alleud]
* [https://www.facebook.com/pages/Parti-Pirate-Charleroi/317796114973957 Parti Pirate Charleroi]
* [https://www.facebook.com/pages/Piratenpartei-Ostbelgien/360437053999095 Piratenpartei Ostbelgien]
* [https://www.facebook.com/Piratenpartij.Leuven Piratenpartij Leuven]
* [https://www.facebook.com/Piratenpartij.WestVlaanderen Piratenpartij West-Vlaanderen]
* [https://www.facebook.com/piratenpartij.limburg Piratenpartij Limburg]
* [https://www.facebook.com/Piratenpartij.OostVlaanderen Piratenpartij Oost-Vlaanderen]
* [https://www.facebook.com/Parti.Pirate.Hainaut Parti Pirate Mons (Hainaut)]
* [https://www.facebook.com/groups/896344217076010/ Workgroup Manifesto Pirate Parti]
* [https://www.facebook.com/groups/328466570567531/ Parti Pirate Ixelles]

== Inspiration from our neighbours ==

* https://www.piratenpartei.de/ (Wordpress)
* https://piratenpartij.nl/ (Wordpress)
* http://www.partipirate.org/ (Spip)
* http://ppeu.net/ (Wordpress)
* http://pp-international.net/ (Drupal)
* http://api.piratetimes.net/ (Central list of Pirate Parties arround the world + an API)

Things we may have to consider : http://www.socialmediatoday.com/content/24-things-consider-when-designing-and-developing-website

[[category:it]]

ITNow

2017-04-23T22:19:22Z

Seb: typo

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''' Feel free to edit ! '''

Some informations provided by the [[ITSquad]].

== Domains ==

=== pirateparty.be ===

The main website running since 2013 have been replaced in 2016.

Complete copies of the Drupal have been kept. Contact itsquad+@+pirateparty.be, or come to a [[Pirate Lab]] if you wish to work on a project to keep it accessible somehow.

* WordPress Multi-sites with sub-domains, some «main plugins» and [https://letsencrypt.org/ LetsEncrypt] for SSL:
** IP : 88.99.32.94
** Host : luffy
** [[#nl.pirateparty.be]] for [[#piratenpartij.be]]
** [[#fr.pirateparty.be]] for [[#lepartipirate.be]]
** pirateparty.be for [[#www.pirateparty.be]] and [[#diepiratenpartei.be]] ![[#Todos]]
** [https://wordpress.org/plugins/multisite-language-switcher/ Multisite Language Switcher]
** [https://wordpress.org/plugins/all-in-one-event-calendar/ AllInOneEvents] plugin
** [https://wordpress.org/plugins/wysija-newsletters/ MailPoet Newsletter] plugin
<br/>
* Registrar : [[#Networking4all]]
* Hosting : [[#Hetzner]]
* MX (emails) : [[#Infomaniak]]
* Emails Accounts and forwards : [[Emails]]
* Owner : coreteam+@+pirateparty.be (tells us http://www.dnsbelgium.be/)
* Sub domains with a different service:
** [[#wiki.pirateparty.be]]
** [[#pad.pirateparty.be]]

Nameservers
-----------
ns1.networking4all.com
ns2.networking4all.net
ns3.networking4all.org
ns4.networking4all.info

=== lepartipirate.be ===

* Registrar : [[#Networking4all]]
* Hosting : [[#Hetzner]]
* Owner : coreteam+@+pirateparty.be (tells us http://www.dnsbelgium.be/)
* Relatel to : [[#pirateparty.be]]

Nameservers
-----------
ns1.networking4all.com
ns2.networking4all.net
ns3.networking4all.org
ns4.networking4all.info

Sub domains like wiki. and opinion. are not linked to [[#wiki.pirateparty.be]] or [[#opinion.pirateparty.be]].

=== piratenpartij.be ===

* Registrar : [[#Networking4all]]
* Hosting : [[#Hetzner]]
* Owner : coreteam+@+pirateparty.be (tells us http://www.dnsbelgium.be/)
* Relatel to : [[#pirateparty.be]]

Nameservers
-----------
ns1.networking4all.com
ns2.networking4all.net
ns3.networking4all.org
ns4.networking4all.info

Sub domains like wiki. and opinion. are not linked to [[#wiki.pirateparty.be]] or [[#opinion.pirateparty.be]].

=== diepiratenpartei.be ===

* Registrar : [[#Networking4all]]
* Hosting : [[#Hetzner]]
* Owner : coreteam+@+pirateparty.be (tells us http://www.dnsbelgium.be/)
* Relatel to : [[#pirateparty.be]]

Nameservers
-----------
ns1.networking4all.com
ns2.networking4all.net
ns3.networking4all.org
ns4.networking4all.info

Sub domains like wiki. and opinion. are not linked to [[#wiki.pirateparty.be]] or [[#opinion.pirateparty.be]].

=== parley.be ===

* Registrar : [[#Networking4all]]
* Hosting : None
* Owner : coreteam+@+pirateparty.be (tells us http://www.dnsbelgium.be/)

Nameservers
-----------
ns1.networking4all.com
ns2.networking4all.net
ns3.networking4all.org
ns4.networking4all.info

=== partipirate.be ===

* Registrar : [[#Ovh]]
* Owner : patrick+@+p-installe.be (tells us http://www.dnsbelgium.be/)
* IP : 144.76.64.251 [[#Questions]]

Nameservers
-----------
ns13.ovh.net
dns13.ovh.net

=== piratepad.be ===

* Registrar : [[#Networking4all]]
* Hosting : [[#Wireless Belgie]]
* Owner : koendevoegt2002+@+yahoo.co.uk (tells us http://www.dnsbelgium.be/)
* IP : 188.210.92.26

Nameservers
-----------
ns1.networking4all.com
ns2.networking4all.net
ns3.networking4all.org
ns4.networking4all.info

This is the Etherpad server maintained by Koen. The pads are available «as it» or integrated into [[#wiki.pirateparty.be]] pages.

=== piratelab.be ===

* Registrar : [[#Ovh]]
* Hosting : [[#Ovh]]
* Owner : vincent.lejeune+@+protonmail.com (tells us http://www.dnsbelgium.be/)
* Page on this wiki : [[Pirate_Lab]]

Nameservers
-----------
dns11.ovh.net
ns11.ovh.net

This is the new (2016) project for a website / newsletter system '''if we do not find enough human resources''' to run [[#www.pirateparty.be]] and other stuffs like [[#parley.be]], [[#wiki.pirateparty.be]] or [[#opinion.pirateparty.be]].

== Sub Domains ==

=== fr.pirateparty.be ===

* One of the [[#pirateparty.be]] multi/sites.
* Serves also [[#lepartipirate.be]] domain.

=== nl.pirateparty.be ===

* One of the [[#pirateparty.be]] multi/sites.
* Serves also [[#piratenpartij.be]] domain.

=== pad.pirateparty.be ===

* What : Etherpad-Lite [http://etherpad.org/]
* Where : on a VM hosted by [[#Hetzner]]

The collaborative editor used to take notes, also known as ''pads''

=== www.pirateparty.be ===

* Redirect to [[#pirateparty.be]]
* Serves also [[#diepiratenpartei.be]] domain.

=== wiki.pirateparty.be ===

* What : Mediawiki ([[Special:Version|about current running version]])
* Where : on a VM hosted by [[#Hetzner]]

The main (and current) Wiki since 2011.

=== www.lepartipirate.be ===

* Linked to : [[#www.pirateparty.be]]

=== tubize.partipirate.be ===

* What : a [https://www.dokuwiki.org DokuWiki]
* Where : hosted by [[#Ovh]]

Have a look yourself : https://tubize.partipirate.be

=== finance.partipirate.be ===

* What : a [https://www.dokuwiki.org DokuWiki]
* Where : hosted by [[#Ovh]]

Used by the [[FinanceSquad|Finance]] folks and do not hesitate [https://finance.partipirate.be to have a look].

== Decommissioned services ==

=== opinion.pirateparty.be ===

* What : GetOpinionated
* Sources : https://github.com/getopinionated/getopinionated

Theoretically used to help in the writing of the Pirate Party Political Program.

A complete copy of the Virtual Machine used to host GetOp is available on request to the [[ITSquad]].

=== finance.pirateparty.be ===

* What : a table with some bank movements (not updated since 2014)

A complete copy of the Virtual Machine used to host «finance» is available on request to the [[ITSquad]].

== Registrars and Hosting Providers ==

=== Networking4all ===

Sold to [[#Metaregistrar]] in early 2017.

=== Metaregistrar ===

* About : https://www.metaregistrar.com/
* Logon page : https://control.metaregistrar.com/login
* For the domains :
** [[#pirateparty.be]]
** [[#lepartipirate.be]]
** [[#piratenpartij.be]]
** [[#diepiratenpartei.be]]
** [[#parley.be]]
** [[#piratepad.be]]

=== Ovh ===

* About : https://www.ovh.com/fr/support/nous-contacter/
* Logon page : https://www.ovh.com/manager//web/login/
* For the domains :
** [[#partipirate.be]]
** [[#piratelab.be]]

=== Hetzner ===

* About : https://www.hetzner.de/hosting/legal/impressum
* Owner : coreteam+@+pirateparty.be
* Used by :
** [[#pirateparty.be]]
** [[#pad.pirateparty.be]]
** [[#wiki.pirateparty.be]]

=== Wireless Belgie ===

* About : http://wirelessbelgie.be/
* Owner : Probably Koen Devoegt.
* Used by :
** [[#piratepad.be]]

=== Infomaniak ===

* About : https://www.infomaniak.ch/
* Owner : coreteam+@+pirateparty.be
* Used by : [[Emails]]

== Other «channels» with activity ==
Places where you can find daily or weekly changes.

=== Facebook ===

* Artwerpen : https://www.facebook.com/Antwerpse.Piratenpartij
* Belgian : https://www.facebook.com/pirateparty.be
* Brussels : https://www.facebook.com/groups/ppbrusselscity/
* Brussels Bis : https://www.facebook.com/PPBxl
* BW : https://www.facebook.com/pages/Parti-Pirate-Brabant-wallon/132640623428484
* Gent : https://www.facebook.com/pages/Piratenpartij-Gent/242254335833334
* La Louvière : https://www.facebook.com/PartiPirateLaLouviere
* Liège : https://www.facebook.com/pages/Parti-Pirate-Li%C3%A8ge/108457399202015
* Namur : https://www.facebook.com/PartiPirateNamur
* Pirate Belgian United : https://www.facebook.com/groups/477476422399809 (closed group)
* Waasland : https://www.facebook.com/PiratenPartijWaasland/

=== Loomio ===
For discussions and decisions processes.

More on the [[Loomio]] page.

=== Telegram ===
Discussion Chat / Voip

* https://telegram.me/ (based on invitation ?)

=== Mailchimp ===
Our newsletter tool according to [[User:HgO|Hadrien]] from a comment on [https://www.loomio.org/d/KhXLGfau/convocation this discussion] on Loomio.

* Used to send email invitation to General Assemblies.
* Used to send newsletter until another tool is provided.

== Other «channels» with little activity ==
Places where you can find monthly or yearly changes.

=== Crew websites ===

* Antwerpen : http://antwerpsepiraten.be

=== Eventbrite ===

* Someone must have some kind of access because of [https://www.eventbrite.com/e/pirate-assembly-spring-2016-tickets-22629003960 this].

=== Framasphere ===

* https://framasphere.org/u/ppbe

=== Slack ===
Discussions about General Assembly 2016, Website, Social Medias and Bots.

* https://ppbe.slack.com/

=== Transparency of deliberative assemblies ===
Thanks to Patrick (and maybe some other pirates?). Is there some «source code shared somewhere» to help others to build some clone of those services?

* http://droitderegard.be (for Wallonia)

=== Trello ===

For the IT Squad.

* https://trello.com/b/pE83zsaW/it-squad

=== Twitter ===

* Belgian : https://twitter.com/PiratesBE
* BW : https://twitter.com/pp_bw
* Gent : https://twitter.com/ppgent
* Liège : https://twitter.com/#!/pp_liege
* Multi account tool : https://tweetdeck.twitter.com/ (To share the Twitter account access)
* Squad [[Internal Communication tools|Internal Communication]] : https://twitter.com/CrewsSquadsNews

== Other «channels» without activity or dead ==
Places where no changes where detected over a year or not reachable any more.

=== Blogs ===

* Gent : http://ppgent.wordpress.com/

=== Github ===

* https://github.com/317070/ppbe-finance
* https://github.com/ppbe/ppbe [[for #www.pirateparty.be]]
* https://github.com/getopinionated/getopinionated [[for #opinion.pirateparty.be]]

=== Gitlab ===

* https://gitlab.com/groups/PPBE_IT

=== Google(+) ===

* Bw : https://plus.google.com/u/0/108484344208949422944/posts

=== XMPP ===
Trying to get this to be used for the development of the new website.

* Have look on the [[XMPP]] tutorial.

== For the records ==

Here is a list of Facebook accounts that need to be sorted (is it still alive ? active ? ... ?) :

* [https://www.facebook.com/getopinionated GetOpiniated]
* [https://www.facebook.com/partipiratetournai Pirate Tournai]
* [https://www.facebook.com/Ulk1180 Parti Pirate Uccle - Ulk 1180 Crew]
* [https://www.facebook.com/PartiPirateBraineLalleud Parti Pirate Braine-l'Alleud]
* [https://www.facebook.com/pages/Parti-Pirate-Charleroi/317796114973957 Parti Pirate Charleroi]
* [https://www.facebook.com/pages/Piratenpartei-Ostbelgien/360437053999095 Piratenpartei Ostbelgien]
* [https://www.facebook.com/Piratenpartij.Leuven Piratenpartij Leuven]
* [https://www.facebook.com/Piratenpartij.WestVlaanderen Piratenpartij West-Vlaanderen]
* [https://www.facebook.com/piratenpartij.limburg Piratenpartij Limburg]
* [https://www.facebook.com/Piratenpartij.OostVlaanderen Piratenpartij Oost-Vlaanderen]
* [https://www.facebook.com/Parti.Pirate.Hainaut Parti Pirate Mons (Hainaut)]
* [https://www.facebook.com/groups/896344217076010/ Workgroup Manifesto Pirate Parti]
* [https://www.facebook.com/groups/328466570567531/ Parti Pirate Ixelles]

== Inspiration from our neighbours ==

* https://www.piratenpartei.de/ (Wordpress)
* https://piratenpartij.nl/ (Wordpress)
* http://www.partipirate.org/ (Spip)
* http://ppeu.net/ (Wordpress)
* http://pp-international.net/ (Drupal)
* http://api.piratetimes.net/ (Central list of Pirate Parties arround the world + an API)

Things we may have to consider : http://www.socialmediatoday.com/content/24-things-consider-when-designing-and-developing-website

[[category:it]]

Crew BW/non reglement

2017-04-23T22:11:21Z

Seb: /* Discussion/Décision */ correction orthographe

= Non-règlement du Parti Pirate BW =

Chacun peut se considérer comme un pirate. Nulle autorisation n'est nécessaire pour accomplir des actions de pirates, un pirate ne reçoit d'ordre de personne.

Comment arrive-t-on à s'organiser ? Voici quelques grandes lignes que l'on tente de suivre en BW.

== Règlement ==

Un règlement ne doit pas tenter de prévoir tous les problèmes possibles. Il doit se contenter de mettre en place une structure claire afin d'encourager l'initiative et la participation.

Les problèmes éventuels doivent être traités au cas par cas lorqu'ils se présentent effectivement, avec transparence. Tout le monde pouvant être pirate, cette transparence s'applique autant aux membres qu'au monde extérieur.

== Trois règles de base ==

Et oui, il y a des règles dans un non-règlement ;-)

# Restez dans la légalité. Le Parti Pirate est respectueux des lois, même lorsqu'elles sont absurdes.
# Faites attention à préserver l'image du Parti Pirate.
# N'utilisez pas l'argent de votre équipage sans l'accord des membres et sans publier publiquement l'utilisation de ces fonds.

Ce sont les trois règles de base du Pirate.

== Rôles ==

Évitez d'assigner trop de rôles. Au Parti Pirate, chacun peut prendre des initiatives et lancer quelque chose sans avoir été désigné responsable de quoi que ce soit. L'équipage s'évertuera à toujours encourager cela.

Les rôles identifiés seront choisis par l'équipage et peuvent être remis en question à tout moment:

1. Capitaine: le capitaine sera en charge de coordonner l'équipage ainsi que de le représenter vis à vis du monde extérieur (médias, grand public). Il n'a aucun pouvoir décisionnel mais a la responsabilité de parler au nom du groupe. Le capitaine possède les mots de passe pour représenter l'équipage sur le web ainsi que la liste des membres et leurs coordonnées.

2. Navigateur: il assure le suivi des réunions et s'assure que le capitaine reste dans la direction souhaitée par l'équipage. Il sert également de backup au capitaine (et possède donc également les mots de passes et coordonnées des membres) ainsi qu'à celui de trésorier (il possède aussi un accès au compte en banque).

3. Trésorier: il gère les sous et publie les entrées et sorties de manière exhaustive. Il possède l'accès au compte en banque.

L'équipage s'assurera de remettre les postes en question, en vérifiant particulièrement:
* Que le capitaine ne bloque pas inconsciemment des initiatives qui ne correspondent pas à sa vision.
* Que le capitaine s'exprime publiquement au nom du groupe et non pas des idées qui lui sont plus personnelles.
* Que les sous sont dépensés d'une manière qui satisfait le groupe.
* Que le groupe ne s'enferme pas sur lui-même en rejetant inconsciemment les nouveaux membres.
* Que le capitaine délègue effectivement les responsabilités dont il ne s'occupe pas activement (réseaux sociaux, contacts avec la presse, etc…)

== Équipages ==

Toute personne du Brabant-Wallon est libre de lancer un équipage pirate. Il n'y a pas besoin d'autorisation ou de quoi que ce soit. Le PP BW se propose de coordonner les différents équipages des zones électorales en vue des élections. Le PP BW sera aussi en charge de mettre en commun les ressources qui peuvent l'être (site web, formalités administratives, etc).

Tout pirate peut organiser une activité pirate s'il l'estime pertinent. Les Pirates n'ont pas besoin d'une autorisation pour se réunir ou se rencontrer.

== Discussion/Décision ==

Toutes les informations et les discussions sont publiques à l'exception des mots de passe ainsi que des coordonnées des membres (pour raison de protection de la vie privée). Les membres ont également la possibilité d'apparaître sur le web sous un pseudonyme.

Aucun pirate ne peut imposer quoi que ce soit à un autre pirate. La seule exception étant qu'un capitaine doit obéir aux décisions de son équipage (ou démissionner) lorsqu'il agit en tant que capitaine.

Les décisions doivent être prises en cherchant le consensus. Le recours au vote ne se fera qu'en dernier recours.

== Collaboration / Bonne volonté ==

Si chaque pirate est autonome et fait ce qu'il veut (au sens de ce non-règlement), il est toutefois recommandé de veiller à la collaboration, voire à la coordination et en tout cas à l'information.
Les activités proposées, les actions prises et les propos tenus par un pirate ne sont dictées par personne, mais il est utile (mais pas obligatoire) que le Crew, le Crew voisin, le capitaine ou les membres en soient au courant, en fonction du besoin. C'est le réseau et l'information qui fait la force des pirates.

Ce principe repose sur la bonne volonté du pirate.

== Gestion d'abus et de conflits ==

L'erreur est humaine et le Parti Pirate encourage ses membres à reconnaître leurs erreurs. De même, un membre du Parti Pirate n'a pas à être d'accord avec tout. Le désaccord est sain si il n'empêche pas l'acceptation de compromis.

En cas d'abus d'un membre isolé, le capitaine rappellera que ce membre s'exprime ou agit en son nom propre et que son action litigieuse n'est pas reconnue par l'équipage dont il fait partie.

Lors d'un conflit, les personnes impliquées veilleront à garder le conflit au niveau personnel et non pas au niveau d'un groupe contre un autre. En cas de conflit, il est recommandé de chercher un médiateur externe et neutre, par exemple une personne d'un équipage tierce.

== Règle finale ==

Ce règlement n'est qu'une recommandation. Le bon-sens et la prise de responsabilité devront toujours prendre le pas sur un règlement écrit dans un contexte différent.

Dès qu'un règlement devient trop compliqué, trop long, soumis à trop d'exceptions, il sera amendé. Un règlement doit toujours être entièrement public.

----
'''[[Crew_BW|Retour à la page du Crew BW]]'''

Talk:Welcome/Guide

2017-04-21T10:37:55Z

Seb: /* Problems on the page */

Welcome on the discussion page! Let's try and improve the "guide" together. Be aware that this is supposed to be a brief general introduction, part of the whole "Welcome" page, not an exhaustive help on itself. So think about: what would I need/like to know about the pirate party when I am new here?

== Problems on the page ==
The link to https://pirateparty.be/finance is dead? Is there a new one?
:There it is https://finance.partipirate.be --[[User:Tierce|Tierce]] ([[User talk:Tierce|talk]]) 07:43, 20 April 2017 (CEST)
::Thank you. The list has not been updated since more than a year? (https://finance.partipirate.be/doku.php?id=public:transfers_triodos_lasts) --[[User:Seb|Seb]] ([[User talk:Seb|talk]]) 12:37, 21 April 2017 (CEST)

== What I think is currently missing ==
* Schematic of the structure (showing pirates, crews, meetings, ... in a graphical way. --[[User:Valerie|Valerie]] ([[User talk:Valerie|talk]]) 22:15, 30 October 2016 (CET) Working on it.--[[User:Valerie|Valerie]] ([[User talk:Valerie|talk]]) 20:28, 15 January 2017 (CET)

== What I think should move ==
* The glossary could be moved to a dedicated page of the [[Welcome]] section. --[[User:Valerie|Valerie]] ([[User talk:Valerie|talk]]) 22:15, 30 October 2016 (CET)

== What I disagree with, and should be changed ==

Under the section 'Les outils en ligne / Online tools' we have 'Engueulades / Scheldpartijen'. Although I can't say that what is said here about the FB-group isn't true, posting this in a welcome seems far from being positive (or constructive) :/ (or maybe the Dutch version just sound harsher than the French one?).<br>
Since it is a tool that is used, I think it should be there, but maybe under a different title and a different description. I'll think about what I can do to give a more proper (positive?) description.<br>
For now I will put it in commentary, so that it is not lost, but also not visible (I like to give the link to this page to people already, because I think, even though it is not finished, it's a good description of the pirates). --[[User:Ilja|Ilja]] ([[User talk:Ilja|talk]]) 18:28, 7 December 2016 (CET)
:This part sounds as harsh in French ;) This guide was written as a personal opinion, but then we decided to use it for a broader usage. I have the same opinion on Facebook, though, so I don't think this should be completely removed. However, I agree that we should try to make it sounds less harsh, because it might frustrate people using Facebook, which isn't the purpose here :) I would like that they realize that this "tool" has a lot of negative points, and not everybody agrees to work there. --[[User:HgO|HgO]] ([[User talk:HgO|talk]]) 18:36, 7 December 2016 (CET)
::I've changed and elaborated a bit :) This is the English translation:
::'''Informal on-line get-together''': There is a closed Facebook-group [https://www.facebook.com/groups/477476422399809/ '''Belgian Pirates United''']. Here people post and share mostly as they please. This can be anything and is not being moderated. Often interesting articles are being shared, questions are being asked, remarks or notifications are being given, an occasional FB-poll... But sometimes, it's also used to express frustrations which, sadly enough, can cause a snowball-effect of misunderstandings or further frustrations. When this happens it's recommended to let a reply simmer for an hour or so before posting, wich is, of course, always a good idea when communicating on-line. For a lot of people this group is the first encounter to a more interior side of the pirates. Therefore, it's always important to realise that the pirates are much more than just this group (some of us don't even have a Facebook-account and so, are not in this group). To really accomplish things, Facebook just isn't the right tool, which is the reason why we have other tools available, like loomio, pirate labs and squads.
::So, what does everybody think? ^^ I'm not so sure about the title, but it was the best I could come up with :p --[[User:Ilja|Ilja]] ([[User talk:Ilja|talk]]) 20:41, 8 December 2016 (CET)
::: I like it! --[[User:Vincent.L|Vincent L.]] ([[User talk:Vincent.L|talk]]) 11:49, 9 December 2016 (CET)
::: Very nice work :) I will translate it in French ;) --[[User:HgO|HgO]] ([[User talk:HgO|talk]]) 12:38, 10 December 2016 (CET)
::: Hey, normally the French version was written in a somewhat sarcastic tone (as Hgo explained, it was a blog post initially). Since that is tricky to get through, I agree for a change. Your text is nice, but maybe a bit longish? But you can go ahead and change. Thanks for the work! --[[User:Valerie|Valerie]] ([[User talk:Valerie|talk]]) 14:41, 21 December 2016 (CET)

=== On the use of "anarchy" word ===

(edit from Jonathan F.)Thanks and it's a good guide, congrats for the work. I've just some points that I'd like to discuss with you.
I'm not agree with using words "anarchie" or "radical" for Pirate Members. On the [[Welcome/Guide|page]] :
I read "Les pirates sont souvent des anarchistes qui s’ignorent." or "De piraten zijn vaak anarchisten die anderen negeren."
I think that should be erase. I guess that a lot of Pirates are not anarchist or radical (I'm not at all), putting this in the text (for anarchist) open the door that all Pirate are. If Pirate is an anarchist or radical party, it should be noted clearly, if not, these words should not be use to talking about the party or the members.
:Hello ! I'm not sure to see the problem here. We are not saying that all pirates are anarchists, but that most of them are. It's okay if you don't consider yourself as an anarchist :) I think that the problem is that you don't know what the exact definition of anarchy is (although I might be wrong, in that case I apologize for that) :/
:Now, I'm a bit puzzled because you are asking us to remove a word for no clear reason. May I ask in the name of what should we remove the word anarchy ? Is this because it is a bad thing to be viewed as anarchist by people ? I don't really care if people don't know what anarchist does mean, and I won't adapt myself to their view, otherwise I wouldn't be in this party :p Anyway, when you look at the pirate's philosophy, you can see clear similiraties with anarchy movements. The horizontal structure is one of them.--[[User:HgO|HgO]] ([[User talk:HgO|talk]]) 22:19, 4 January 2017 (CET)
:: May I suggest to '''put a link'''? ''«Les pirates sont souvent des [https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchisme anarchistes] qui s’ignorent.»'' and ''«De piraten zijn vaak [https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchisme anarchisten] die anderen negeren»''. to invite the visitors to read more about a soooo ''miss understood scary word''?
:: Maybe '''replace''' ''souvent'' by ''parfois'' and ''vaak'' par ''soms''?--[[User:Tierce|Tierce]] ([[User talk:Tierce|talk]]) 20:58, 8 January 2017 (CET)
::: I like the idea of the link. As for the change between parfois and souvent, why not... I don't have statistics anyway ;-).--[[User:Valerie|Valerie]] ([[User talk:Valerie|talk]]) 20:32, 10 January 2017 (CET)
----
::: I agree on putting a link to the definition of anarchy :) As Valerie, I don't have any stats about the number of pirates who define themselves as anarchists... One solution would be to ask on the Facebook group? But that wouldn't hide the fact that many pirates act and think as anarchists would do, and that our values match those of anarchy movements. In several countries, I've seen that pirates are categorized as libertarian, which is close to anarchists (I'm not an expert in that field, though, so I might be wrong). --[[User:HgO|HgO]] ([[User talk:HgO|talk]]) 22:08, 10 January 2017 (CET)
:::: Modification applied. --[[User:Valerie|Valerie]] ([[User talk:Valerie|talk]]) 20:46, 15 January 2017 (CET)

In the same line "La centralisation suppose la mise en place d’une hiérarchie, ce à quoi les pirates sont majoritairement allergiques." but it is noted later "Une crew a souvent un·e capitaine (porte-parole, leader) et un·e navigateur·rice (secrétaire) mais chacune peut s’organiser comme elle l’entend." The first sentence means that the members don't want a hierarchy, the second sentence affirm that a hierarchy is there. I think that hierarchy should be organize, but differently than in the current other parties, so I'll will change the first sentence.
:Being anarchists doesn't mean that we wan't chaos. We all know that a certain kind of hierarchy is necessary to work together. However, here we are talking about horizontal hierarchy. In practice, this means that crews are the central point of the party, instead of an executive group in other parties. We can also note that power comes from pirates above all, and this is represented by the "three pirates law" which says that you don't necessary need to be in a crew to take actions in the name of the party. You just need to find two other pirates and that's it.
:Besides, please note that some crews don't have a captain or navigator, because they find that unnecessary. This is the case of Crew Bw for instance.--[[User:HgO|HgO]] ([[User talk:HgO|talk]]) 22:19, 4 January 2017 (CET)
----
:: Je crois que "Les pirates sont souvent des anarchistes qui s’ignorent." peut être remplacé par "une partie des pirates se considèrent comme anarchistes. N'ayez pas peur, ce sont des gens tout à fait organisés, serviables et ouverts au dialogue, et ils se feront un plaisir de vous expliquer ce que cela signifie pour eux" --[[User:Vincent.L|Vincent L.]] ([[User talk:Vincent.L|talk]]) 11:18, 5 January 2017 (CET)
----
::: Je ne sais psa si nous sommes tous très organisés :p Mais à mon sens, on déplace le problème en partant du principe qu'être anarchiste c'est mal. Je préfère mettre un lien comme Thierry le propose ;) Peut-être pouvons-nous rajouter « Les pirates sont souvent des anarchistes qui s'ignorent ''(ce qui n'est pas forcément une mauvaise chose)'' » --[[User:HgO|HgO]] ([[User talk:HgO|talk]]) 22:08, 10 January 2017 (CET)
----
::: Indeed [[User:HgO|HgO]], the text does not say that the pirate party is an anarchist party, but that some pirates are. But the reaction of Jonathan suggests we may need to change the text, something tasting a bit like what [[User:Vincent.L|Vincent L.]] is suggesting?
::: Same thing for the captain/navigator, that are not about hierarchy but organisation. And contrarily to what the "captain" word suggests, there is no boss. We should add that these roles are to be changed regularly, actually. We could rephrase to make it clearer. How does that sound? --[[User:Valerie|Valerie]] ([[User talk:Valerie|talk]]) 20:18, 6 January 2017 (CET)
----
:::: Yes, I would love some precisions about the captain/navigator words, since they imply some vertical hierarchy. A captain does not have more rights than any other pirates. It's actually cumbersome to be a navigator or a captain, since you have more responsabilities (which don't especially come with great powers...)
:::: I'd really like to hear what Jonathan thinks about all this, and if what is suggested suit him or not :) --[[User:HgO|HgO]] ([[User talk:HgO|talk]]) 22:08, 10 January 2017 (CET)
----
No reply yet from Jonathan but the changes discussed above were applied. --[[User:Valerie|Valerie]] ([[User talk:Valerie|talk]]) 20:46, 15 January 2017 (CET)

== Eeerrr I don't know how to write inside a wiki... ==

Then feel free to write directly in this pad (but beware that if you change something to a pad, no one is notified about it).

Direct link: https://pad.pirateparty.be/p/Pirates-be-survival-guide

<eplite id="Pirates-be-survival-guide" />

Talk:Welcome/Guide

2017-04-21T10:37:17Z

Seb: /* Problems on the page */

Welcome on the discussion page! Let's try and improve the "guide" together. Be aware that this is supposed to be a brief general introduction, part of the whole "Welcome" page, not an exhaustive help on itself. So think about: what would I need/like to know about the pirate party when I am new here?

== Problems on the page ==
The link to https://pirateparty.be/finance is dead? Is there a new one?
:There it is https://finance.partipirate.be --[[User:Tierce|Tierce]] ([[User talk:Tierce|talk]]) 07:43, 20 April 2017 (CEST)
::Thank you. The list has not been updated since more than a year? --[[User:Seb|Seb]] ([[User talk:Seb|talk]]) 12:37, 21 April 2017 (CEST)

== What I think is currently missing ==
* Schematic of the structure (showing pirates, crews, meetings, ... in a graphical way. --[[User:Valerie|Valerie]] ([[User talk:Valerie|talk]]) 22:15, 30 October 2016 (CET) Working on it.--[[User:Valerie|Valerie]] ([[User talk:Valerie|talk]]) 20:28, 15 January 2017 (CET)

== What I think should move ==
* The glossary could be moved to a dedicated page of the [[Welcome]] section. --[[User:Valerie|Valerie]] ([[User talk:Valerie|talk]]) 22:15, 30 October 2016 (CET)

== What I disagree with, and should be changed ==

Under the section 'Les outils en ligne / Online tools' we have 'Engueulades / Scheldpartijen'. Although I can't say that what is said here about the FB-group isn't true, posting this in a welcome seems far from being positive (or constructive) :/ (or maybe the Dutch version just sound harsher than the French one?).<br>
Since it is a tool that is used, I think it should be there, but maybe under a different title and a different description. I'll think about what I can do to give a more proper (positive?) description.<br>
For now I will put it in commentary, so that it is not lost, but also not visible (I like to give the link to this page to people already, because I think, even though it is not finished, it's a good description of the pirates). --[[User:Ilja|Ilja]] ([[User talk:Ilja|talk]]) 18:28, 7 December 2016 (CET)
:This part sounds as harsh in French ;) This guide was written as a personal opinion, but then we decided to use it for a broader usage. I have the same opinion on Facebook, though, so I don't think this should be completely removed. However, I agree that we should try to make it sounds less harsh, because it might frustrate people using Facebook, which isn't the purpose here :) I would like that they realize that this "tool" has a lot of negative points, and not everybody agrees to work there. --[[User:HgO|HgO]] ([[User talk:HgO|talk]]) 18:36, 7 December 2016 (CET)
::I've changed and elaborated a bit :) This is the English translation:
::'''Informal on-line get-together''': There is a closed Facebook-group [https://www.facebook.com/groups/477476422399809/ '''Belgian Pirates United''']. Here people post and share mostly as they please. This can be anything and is not being moderated. Often interesting articles are being shared, questions are being asked, remarks or notifications are being given, an occasional FB-poll... But sometimes, it's also used to express frustrations which, sadly enough, can cause a snowball-effect of misunderstandings or further frustrations. When this happens it's recommended to let a reply simmer for an hour or so before posting, wich is, of course, always a good idea when communicating on-line. For a lot of people this group is the first encounter to a more interior side of the pirates. Therefore, it's always important to realise that the pirates are much more than just this group (some of us don't even have a Facebook-account and so, are not in this group). To really accomplish things, Facebook just isn't the right tool, which is the reason why we have other tools available, like loomio, pirate labs and squads.
::So, what does everybody think? ^^ I'm not so sure about the title, but it was the best I could come up with :p --[[User:Ilja|Ilja]] ([[User talk:Ilja|talk]]) 20:41, 8 December 2016 (CET)
::: I like it! --[[User:Vincent.L|Vincent L.]] ([[User talk:Vincent.L|talk]]) 11:49, 9 December 2016 (CET)
::: Very nice work :) I will translate it in French ;) --[[User:HgO|HgO]] ([[User talk:HgO|talk]]) 12:38, 10 December 2016 (CET)
::: Hey, normally the French version was written in a somewhat sarcastic tone (as Hgo explained, it was a blog post initially). Since that is tricky to get through, I agree for a change. Your text is nice, but maybe a bit longish? But you can go ahead and change. Thanks for the work! --[[User:Valerie|Valerie]] ([[User talk:Valerie|talk]]) 14:41, 21 December 2016 (CET)

=== On the use of "anarchy" word ===

(edit from Jonathan F.)Thanks and it's a good guide, congrats for the work. I've just some points that I'd like to discuss with you.
I'm not agree with using words "anarchie" or "radical" for Pirate Members. On the [[Welcome/Guide|page]] :
I read "Les pirates sont souvent des anarchistes qui s’ignorent." or "De piraten zijn vaak anarchisten die anderen negeren."
I think that should be erase. I guess that a lot of Pirates are not anarchist or radical (I'm not at all), putting this in the text (for anarchist) open the door that all Pirate are. If Pirate is an anarchist or radical party, it should be noted clearly, if not, these words should not be use to talking about the party or the members.
:Hello ! I'm not sure to see the problem here. We are not saying that all pirates are anarchists, but that most of them are. It's okay if you don't consider yourself as an anarchist :) I think that the problem is that you don't know what the exact definition of anarchy is (although I might be wrong, in that case I apologize for that) :/
:Now, I'm a bit puzzled because you are asking us to remove a word for no clear reason. May I ask in the name of what should we remove the word anarchy ? Is this because it is a bad thing to be viewed as anarchist by people ? I don't really care if people don't know what anarchist does mean, and I won't adapt myself to their view, otherwise I wouldn't be in this party :p Anyway, when you look at the pirate's philosophy, you can see clear similiraties with anarchy movements. The horizontal structure is one of them.--[[User:HgO|HgO]] ([[User talk:HgO|talk]]) 22:19, 4 January 2017 (CET)
:: May I suggest to '''put a link'''? ''«Les pirates sont souvent des [https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchisme anarchistes] qui s’ignorent.»'' and ''«De piraten zijn vaak [https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchisme anarchisten] die anderen negeren»''. to invite the visitors to read more about a soooo ''miss understood scary word''?
:: Maybe '''replace''' ''souvent'' by ''parfois'' and ''vaak'' par ''soms''?--[[User:Tierce|Tierce]] ([[User talk:Tierce|talk]]) 20:58, 8 January 2017 (CET)
::: I like the idea of the link. As for the change between parfois and souvent, why not... I don't have statistics anyway ;-).--[[User:Valerie|Valerie]] ([[User talk:Valerie|talk]]) 20:32, 10 January 2017 (CET)
----
::: I agree on putting a link to the definition of anarchy :) As Valerie, I don't have any stats about the number of pirates who define themselves as anarchists... One solution would be to ask on the Facebook group? But that wouldn't hide the fact that many pirates act and think as anarchists would do, and that our values match those of anarchy movements. In several countries, I've seen that pirates are categorized as libertarian, which is close to anarchists (I'm not an expert in that field, though, so I might be wrong). --[[User:HgO|HgO]] ([[User talk:HgO|talk]]) 22:08, 10 January 2017 (CET)
:::: Modification applied. --[[User:Valerie|Valerie]] ([[User talk:Valerie|talk]]) 20:46, 15 January 2017 (CET)

In the same line "La centralisation suppose la mise en place d’une hiérarchie, ce à quoi les pirates sont majoritairement allergiques." but it is noted later "Une crew a souvent un·e capitaine (porte-parole, leader) et un·e navigateur·rice (secrétaire) mais chacune peut s’organiser comme elle l’entend." The first sentence means that the members don't want a hierarchy, the second sentence affirm that a hierarchy is there. I think that hierarchy should be organize, but differently than in the current other parties, so I'll will change the first sentence.
:Being anarchists doesn't mean that we wan't chaos. We all know that a certain kind of hierarchy is necessary to work together. However, here we are talking about horizontal hierarchy. In practice, this means that crews are the central point of the party, instead of an executive group in other parties. We can also note that power comes from pirates above all, and this is represented by the "three pirates law" which says that you don't necessary need to be in a crew to take actions in the name of the party. You just need to find two other pirates and that's it.
:Besides, please note that some crews don't have a captain or navigator, because they find that unnecessary. This is the case of Crew Bw for instance.--[[User:HgO|HgO]] ([[User talk:HgO|talk]]) 22:19, 4 January 2017 (CET)
----
:: Je crois que "Les pirates sont souvent des anarchistes qui s’ignorent." peut être remplacé par "une partie des pirates se considèrent comme anarchistes. N'ayez pas peur, ce sont des gens tout à fait organisés, serviables et ouverts au dialogue, et ils se feront un plaisir de vous expliquer ce que cela signifie pour eux" --[[User:Vincent.L|Vincent L.]] ([[User talk:Vincent.L|talk]]) 11:18, 5 January 2017 (CET)
----
::: Je ne sais psa si nous sommes tous très organisés :p Mais à mon sens, on déplace le problème en partant du principe qu'être anarchiste c'est mal. Je préfère mettre un lien comme Thierry le propose ;) Peut-être pouvons-nous rajouter « Les pirates sont souvent des anarchistes qui s'ignorent ''(ce qui n'est pas forcément une mauvaise chose)'' » --[[User:HgO|HgO]] ([[User talk:HgO|talk]]) 22:08, 10 January 2017 (CET)
----
::: Indeed [[User:HgO|HgO]], the text does not say that the pirate party is an anarchist party, but that some pirates are. But the reaction of Jonathan suggests we may need to change the text, something tasting a bit like what [[User:Vincent.L|Vincent L.]] is suggesting?
::: Same thing for the captain/navigator, that are not about hierarchy but organisation. And contrarily to what the "captain" word suggests, there is no boss. We should add that these roles are to be changed regularly, actually. We could rephrase to make it clearer. How does that sound? --[[User:Valerie|Valerie]] ([[User talk:Valerie|talk]]) 20:18, 6 January 2017 (CET)
----
:::: Yes, I would love some precisions about the captain/navigator words, since they imply some vertical hierarchy. A captain does not have more rights than any other pirates. It's actually cumbersome to be a navigator or a captain, since you have more responsabilities (which don't especially come with great powers...)
:::: I'd really like to hear what Jonathan thinks about all this, and if what is suggested suit him or not :) --[[User:HgO|HgO]] ([[User talk:HgO|talk]]) 22:08, 10 January 2017 (CET)
----
No reply yet from Jonathan but the changes discussed above were applied. --[[User:Valerie|Valerie]] ([[User talk:Valerie|talk]]) 20:46, 15 January 2017 (CET)

== Eeerrr I don't know how to write inside a wiki... ==

Then feel free to write directly in this pad (but beware that if you change something to a pad, no one is notified about it).

Direct link: https://pad.pirateparty.be/p/Pirates-be-survival-guide

<eplite id="Pirates-be-survival-guide" />

Talk:Welcome/Guide

2017-04-19T21:01:15Z

Seb: a dead link should be changed, I don't know if there is a new one?

Welcome on the discussion page! Let's try and improve the "guide" together. Be aware that this is supposed to be a brief general introduction, part of the whole "Welcome" page, not an exhaustive help on itself. So think about: what would I need/like to know about the pirate party when I am new here?

== Problems on the page ==
The link to https://pirateparty.be/finance is dead? Is there a new one?

== What I think is currently missing ==
* Schematic of the structure (showing pirates, crews, meetings, ... in a graphical way. --[[User:Valerie|Valerie]] ([[User talk:Valerie|talk]]) 22:15, 30 October 2016 (CET) Working on it.--[[User:Valerie|Valerie]] ([[User talk:Valerie|talk]]) 20:28, 15 January 2017 (CET)

== What I think should move ==
* The glossary could be moved to a dedicated page of the [[Welcome]] section. --[[User:Valerie|Valerie]] ([[User talk:Valerie|talk]]) 22:15, 30 October 2016 (CET)

== What I disagree with, and should be changed ==

Under the section 'Les outils en ligne / Online tools' we have 'Engueulades / Scheldpartijen'. Although I can't say that what is said here about the FB-group isn't true, posting this in a welcome seems far from being positive (or constructive) :/ (or maybe the Dutch version just sound harsher than the French one?).<br>
Since it is a tool that is used, I think it should be there, but maybe under a different title and a different description. I'll think about what I can do to give a more proper (positive?) description.<br>
For now I will put it in commentary, so that it is not lost, but also not visible (I like to give the link to this page to people already, because I think, even though it is not finished, it's a good description of the pirates). --[[User:Ilja|Ilja]] ([[User talk:Ilja|talk]]) 18:28, 7 December 2016 (CET)
:This part sounds as harsh in French ;) This guide was written as a personal opinion, but then we decided to use it for a broader usage. I have the same opinion on Facebook, though, so I don't think this should be completely removed. However, I agree that we should try to make it sounds less harsh, because it might frustrate people using Facebook, which isn't the purpose here :) I would like that they realize that this "tool" has a lot of negative points, and not everybody agrees to work there. --[[User:HgO|HgO]] ([[User talk:HgO|talk]]) 18:36, 7 December 2016 (CET)
::I've changed and elaborated a bit :) This is the English translation:
::'''Informal on-line get-together''': There is a closed Facebook-group [https://www.facebook.com/groups/477476422399809/ '''Belgian Pirates United''']. Here people post and share mostly as they please. This can be anything and is not being moderated. Often interesting articles are being shared, questions are being asked, remarks or notifications are being given, an occasional FB-poll... But sometimes, it's also used to express frustrations which, sadly enough, can cause a snowball-effect of misunderstandings or further frustrations. When this happens it's recommended to let a reply simmer for an hour or so before posting, wich is, of course, always a good idea when communicating on-line. For a lot of people this group is the first encounter to a more interior side of the pirates. Therefore, it's always important to realise that the pirates are much more than just this group (some of us don't even have a Facebook-account and so, are not in this group). To really accomplish things, Facebook just isn't the right tool, which is the reason why we have other tools available, like loomio, pirate labs and squads.
::So, what does everybody think? ^^ I'm not so sure about the title, but it was the best I could come up with :p --[[User:Ilja|Ilja]] ([[User talk:Ilja|talk]]) 20:41, 8 December 2016 (CET)
::: I like it! --[[User:Vincent.L|Vincent L.]] ([[User talk:Vincent.L|talk]]) 11:49, 9 December 2016 (CET)
::: Very nice work :) I will translate it in French ;) --[[User:HgO|HgO]] ([[User talk:HgO|talk]]) 12:38, 10 December 2016 (CET)
::: Hey, normally the French version was written in a somewhat sarcastic tone (as Hgo explained, it was a blog post initially). Since that is tricky to get through, I agree for a change. Your text is nice, but maybe a bit longish? But you can go ahead and change. Thanks for the work! --[[User:Valerie|Valerie]] ([[User talk:Valerie|talk]]) 14:41, 21 December 2016 (CET)

=== On the use of "anarchy" word ===

(edit from Jonathan F.)Thanks and it's a good guide, congrats for the work. I've just some points that I'd like to discuss with you.
I'm not agree with using words "anarchie" or "radical" for Pirate Members. On the [[Welcome/Guide|page]] :
I read "Les pirates sont souvent des anarchistes qui s’ignorent." or "De piraten zijn vaak anarchisten die anderen negeren."
I think that should be erase. I guess that a lot of Pirates are not anarchist or radical (I'm not at all), putting this in the text (for anarchist) open the door that all Pirate are. If Pirate is an anarchist or radical party, it should be noted clearly, if not, these words should not be use to talking about the party or the members.
:Hello ! I'm not sure to see the problem here. We are not saying that all pirates are anarchists, but that most of them are. It's okay if you don't consider yourself as an anarchist :) I think that the problem is that you don't know what the exact definition of anarchy is (although I might be wrong, in that case I apologize for that) :/
:Now, I'm a bit puzzled because you are asking us to remove a word for no clear reason. May I ask in the name of what should we remove the word anarchy ? Is this because it is a bad thing to be viewed as anarchist by people ? I don't really care if people don't know what anarchist does mean, and I won't adapt myself to their view, otherwise I wouldn't be in this party :p Anyway, when you look at the pirate's philosophy, you can see clear similiraties with anarchy movements. The horizontal structure is one of them.--[[User:HgO|HgO]] ([[User talk:HgO|talk]]) 22:19, 4 January 2017 (CET)
:: May I suggest to '''put a link'''? ''«Les pirates sont souvent des [https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchisme anarchistes] qui s’ignorent.»'' and ''«De piraten zijn vaak [https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchisme anarchisten] die anderen negeren»''. to invite the visitors to read more about a soooo ''miss understood scary word''?
:: Maybe '''replace''' ''souvent'' by ''parfois'' and ''vaak'' par ''soms''?--[[User:Tierce|Tierce]] ([[User talk:Tierce|talk]]) 20:58, 8 January 2017 (CET)
::: I like the idea of the link. As for the change between parfois and souvent, why not... I don't have statistics anyway ;-).--[[User:Valerie|Valerie]] ([[User talk:Valerie|talk]]) 20:32, 10 January 2017 (CET)
----
::: I agree on putting a link to the definition of anarchy :) As Valerie, I don't have any stats about the number of pirates who define themselves as anarchists... One solution would be to ask on the Facebook group? But that wouldn't hide the fact that many pirates act and think as anarchists would do, and that our values match those of anarchy movements. In several countries, I've seen that pirates are categorized as libertarian, which is close to anarchists (I'm not an expert in that field, though, so I might be wrong). --[[User:HgO|HgO]] ([[User talk:HgO|talk]]) 22:08, 10 January 2017 (CET)
:::: Modification applied. --[[User:Valerie|Valerie]] ([[User talk:Valerie|talk]]) 20:46, 15 January 2017 (CET)

In the same line "La centralisation suppose la mise en place d’une hiérarchie, ce à quoi les pirates sont majoritairement allergiques." but it is noted later "Une crew a souvent un·e capitaine (porte-parole, leader) et un·e navigateur·rice (secrétaire) mais chacune peut s’organiser comme elle l’entend." The first sentence means that the members don't want a hierarchy, the second sentence affirm that a hierarchy is there. I think that hierarchy should be organize, but differently than in the current other parties, so I'll will change the first sentence.
:Being anarchists doesn't mean that we wan't chaos. We all know that a certain kind of hierarchy is necessary to work together. However, here we are talking about horizontal hierarchy. In practice, this means that crews are the central point of the party, instead of an executive group in other parties. We can also note that power comes from pirates above all, and this is represented by the "three pirates law" which says that you don't necessary need to be in a crew to take actions in the name of the party. You just need to find two other pirates and that's it.
:Besides, please note that some crews don't have a captain or navigator, because they find that unnecessary. This is the case of Crew Bw for instance.--[[User:HgO|HgO]] ([[User talk:HgO|talk]]) 22:19, 4 January 2017 (CET)
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:: Je crois que "Les pirates sont souvent des anarchistes qui s’ignorent." peut être remplacé par "une partie des pirates se considèrent comme anarchistes. N'ayez pas peur, ce sont des gens tout à fait organisés, serviables et ouverts au dialogue, et ils se feront un plaisir de vous expliquer ce que cela signifie pour eux" --[[User:Vincent.L|Vincent L.]] ([[User talk:Vincent.L|talk]]) 11:18, 5 January 2017 (CET)
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::: Je ne sais psa si nous sommes tous très organisés :p Mais à mon sens, on déplace le problème en partant du principe qu'être anarchiste c'est mal. Je préfère mettre un lien comme Thierry le propose ;) Peut-être pouvons-nous rajouter « Les pirates sont souvent des anarchistes qui s'ignorent ''(ce qui n'est pas forcément une mauvaise chose)'' » --[[User:HgO|HgO]] ([[User talk:HgO|talk]]) 22:08, 10 January 2017 (CET)
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::: Indeed [[User:HgO|HgO]], the text does not say that the pirate party is an anarchist party, but that some pirates are. But the reaction of Jonathan suggests we may need to change the text, something tasting a bit like what [[User:Vincent.L|Vincent L.]] is suggesting?
::: Same thing for the captain/navigator, that are not about hierarchy but organisation. And contrarily to what the "captain" word suggests, there is no boss. We should add that these roles are to be changed regularly, actually. We could rephrase to make it clearer. How does that sound? --[[User:Valerie|Valerie]] ([[User talk:Valerie|talk]]) 20:18, 6 January 2017 (CET)
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:::: Yes, I would love some precisions about the captain/navigator words, since they imply some vertical hierarchy. A captain does not have more rights than any other pirates. It's actually cumbersome to be a navigator or a captain, since you have more responsabilities (which don't especially come with great powers...)
:::: I'd really like to hear what Jonathan thinks about all this, and if what is suggested suit him or not :) --[[User:HgO|HgO]] ([[User talk:HgO|talk]]) 22:08, 10 January 2017 (CET)
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No reply yet from Jonathan but the changes discussed above were applied. --[[User:Valerie|Valerie]] ([[User talk:Valerie|talk]]) 20:46, 15 January 2017 (CET)

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