https://wiki.pirateparty.be/api.php?action=feedcontributions&feedformat=atom&user=Sandb 2026-06-06T02:07:29Z User contributions MediaWiki 1.39.8 https://wiki.pirateparty.be/index.php?title=Events/EGA:2013-09/Notes&diff=10659 2013-11-05T21:25:21Z

<p>Sandb: Moved prop 18 under the correct title. (one down)</p> <hr /> <div>'''Click on this link to access to the pads used to produce the following page: '''[http://piratepad.be/p/EGA2013liege '''http://piratepad.be/p/EGA2013liege''']<br /> <br /> == Voting ==<br /> <br /> Note takers:<br /> * sandb<br /> * Vincent L.<br /> * fred m.<br /> <br /> Introduced a third option for voting: next to <br /> * &quot;yes&quot; (green) or <br /> * &quot;no&quot; (red) <br /> <br /> we introduce <br /> * &quot;postponed&quot; (white)<br /> <br /> White option voted '''yes''' unanimously <br /> <br /> questions:<br /> * Minimum of 2 votes difference, else postponed automatically<br /> * Not 50% for green, then it is not yes?<br /> <br /> Discussion on voting; do we go for classic voting and forgo the adaption?<br /> * 21 yes<br /> * 3 no<br /> * Accepted, classic voting<br /> * So we will not be using the white paper option<br /> <br /> Counting:<br /> * Everybody counts votes if it's a close call.<br /> <br /> General remark: <br /> * Rejected does not mean it definitely Rejected, <br /> <br /> Proposals: [[File:PP_EGA_september_2013.pdf]].<br /> <br /> == Motion 1: The Pirateparty Programme ==<br /> <br /> === [1.1] Proposal for an &quot;Introduction for the party programme&quot; ===<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|1|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.1|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** French version is leading version<br /> ** translation problem: radicale democratie should be directe democratie}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.2|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.3|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.4|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|3|Rejected/Postponed}}<br /> {{GaProp|4|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|5|Rejected|-=19|+=14}}<br /> <br /> === [1.2] Freedoms and civilian rights ===<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|6|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|7|Accepted|+=23|-=13 }}<br /> {{GaProp|8|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** better written version of 9}}<br /> {{GaProp|9|Rejected|+=15|-=24}}<br /> {{GaProp|10|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|11|Accepted|+=21|-=17|remarks=<br /> ** this definition can be applied to every company<br /> ** required recount<br /> ** how could we make anyone liable to use public facilities?}}<br /> {{GaProp|12|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|13|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** Assange is not a wistleblower<br /> ** better if names were removed <br /> ** Voted as is, but could use an amendment}}<br /> {{GaProp|14|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** Better definition required for &quot;net neutrality&quot;.}}<br /> {{GaProp|15|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** It's more or less already in there: but remarks about only postal system and human rights with similar initiative.}}<br /> {{GaProp|16|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** Factual issue in the proposal since the press can be censored, what about private data protection}}<br /> {{GaProp|17|Accepted|+=24|-=11|remarks=<br /> ** Fuzzy language}}<br /> <br /> === [1.3] Domestic politics and democracy ===<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|18|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** what is &quot;democratie radicale&quot;? <br /> ** is it &quot;imposed democracy&quot; ;) <br /> ** We need another word than &quot;radical&quot; (2.1)}}<br /> {{GaProp|19|Rejected|+=14|-=24}}<br /> {{GaProp|20|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** fuzzy &quot;what's being for the referendum?&quot; <br /> ** how do we define referendum?}}<br /> {{GaProp|21|Postponed|+=18|-=16}}<br /> {{GaProp|22|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** what does that mean? <br /> ** we already have justice system}}<br /> {{GaProp|23|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** This is about someone who's been elected, not for candidates;}}<br /> {{GaProp|24|Accepted|+=20|remarks=<br /> ** The proposal is too vague, too general}}<br /> {{GaProp|25|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** What do we mean by recognize? (aknowledge existence or legitimity ?)}}<br /> {{GaProp|26|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** Same remark as 25.}}<br /> <br /> === [1.4] Economics ===<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|27|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|28|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|29|Accepted|+=25|remarks=<br /> ** Vague and fuzzy? <br /> ** Ambiguous? <br /> ** What does local economy mean? <br /> ** Does it mean protectionism? <br /> ** note: does not explain, also does not say protectionism}}<br /> {{GaProp|30|Rejected/Postponed|remarks=<br /> ** What does &quot;resource&quot; means; answer from author: means &quot;resource based economy&quot; needs clarification}}<br /> {{GaProp|31|Accepted|+=20|-=13|remarks=<br /> ** what's &quot;alternative economy&quot;? <br /> ** see examples}}<br /> {{GaProp|32|Rejected|+=14|-=18}}<br /> {{GaProp|33|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** not clear on what it really means}}<br /> {{GaProp|34|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** it's a statement, not a program point or opinion}}<br /> {{GaProp|35|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|36|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** need to change EU laws for that <br /> ** the first part is already in 27}}<br /> {{GaProp|37|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|38|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|39|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** universal basic income (everyone)<br /> ** what's the definition of basic income?<br /> ** also remarked: &quot;factual error, labour is not an economic product&quot;}}<br /> {{GaProp|40|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** minimun wage (working people only)}}<br /> {{GaProp|41|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|42|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** this is demagogy, ideology, unclear, fuzzy}}<br /> {{GaProp|43|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** implies corporate citizenship? (==a company is having same right as a citizen)}}<br /> {{GaProp|44|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|45|Rejected|remarks=<br /> **awfully stated}}<br /> {{GaProp|46|Postponed|+=17|-=15|remarks=<br /> ** European law problem; <br /> ** Very hard to realize}}<br /> {{GaProp|47|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|48|Rejected|+=10|-=18|remarks=<br /> ** Who is &quot;them&quot;? <br /> ** Pirates or citizens?}}<br /> {{GaProp|49|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|50|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|51|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** Should state &quot;a public audit&quot; or something like that}}<br /> {{GaProp|52|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** cannot be done in only one country, <br /> ** should explicitely read a wage/profit &quot;ratio&quot;. <br /> ** is missing clear definition and is quite populist position; <br /> ** how would we explain this to a journalist}}<br /> {{GaProp|53|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|54|Rejected|+=14|-=17|remarks=<br /> ** lower cap but also upper cap limitation, should maybe say minimally}}<br /> <br /> === [1.5] Banks ===<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|55|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** Too vague, <br /> ** should say public financing (with money from the state), <br /> ** also who would finance a bank that has gone bust anyway?<br /> ** too anecdoctical, lack of big picture.}}<br /> {{GaProp|56|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** the national part could be left out}}<br /> {{GaProp|57|Rejected|remarks <br /> ** why only bankers}}<br /> <br /> We interupted voting because we are quickly running out-of-time; <br /> * a proposal was made to deal with this problem<br /> ** whatever is not voted here today will be submitted on getopinionated<br /> ** and will be voted on getopinionated<br /> ** and will be valid as if elected on the EGA<br /> ** with voting closing before the first november<br /> ** only members will be able to vote: each Pirate will receive his/her membership via email, and then registrations will be closed (for security).<br /> ** only proposals from the program will be voted<br /> * the proposal was accepted, <br /> * a decision was made to continue up until proposal 62 and to end before point &quot;1.6 Labour social affairs&quot;.<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|58|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** unclear: what are policticians, while they are active or allways; only banks? ... ? }}<br /> {{GaProp|59|Accepted unanymously}}<br /> {{GaProp|60|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|61|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** This would mean we have to exit the euro}}<br /> {{GaProp|62|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** What is a dubious investment? Who defines it?)}}<br /> <br /> == EOEGA- End of General Assembly ==<br /> <br /> * BIG THX TO ORGANISERS!!<br /> * End at 17:50</div>

Sandb https://wiki.pirateparty.be/index.php?title=Events/EGA:2013-09/Notes&diff=10495 2013-10-22T20:55:03Z

<p>Sandb: </p> <hr /> <div>'''Click on this link to access to the pads used to produce the following page: '''[http://piratepad.be/p/EGA2013liege '''http://piratepad.be/p/EGA2013liege''']<br /> <br /> == Voting ==<br /> <br /> Note takers:<br /> * sandb<br /> * Vincent L.<br /> * fred m.<br /> <br /> Introduced a third option for voting: next to <br /> * &quot;yes&quot; (green) or <br /> * &quot;no&quot; (red) <br /> <br /> we introduce <br /> * &quot;postponed&quot; (white)<br /> <br /> White option voted '''yes''' unanimously <br /> <br /> questions:<br /> * Minimum of 2 votes difference, else postponed automatically<br /> * Not 50% for green, then it is not yes?<br /> <br /> Discussion on voting; do we go for classic voting and forgo the adaption?<br /> * 21 yes<br /> * 3 no<br /> * Accepted, classic voting<br /> * So we will not be using the white paper option<br /> <br /> Counting:<br /> * Everybody counts votes if it's a close call.<br /> <br /> General remark: <br /> * Rejected does not mean it definitely Rejected, <br /> <br /> Proposals: [[File:PP_EGA_september_2013.pdf]].<br /> <br /> == Motion 1: The Pirateparty Programme ==<br /> <br /> === [1.1] Proposal for an &quot;Introduction for the party programme&quot; ===<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|1|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.1|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** French version is leading version<br /> ** translation problem: radicale democratie should be directe democratie}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.2|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.3|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.4|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|3|Rejected/Postponed}}<br /> {{GaProp|4|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|5|Rejected|-=19|+=14}}<br /> <br /> === [1.2] Freedoms and civilian rights ===<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|6|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|7|Accepted|+=23|-=13 }}<br /> {{GaProp|8|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** better written version of 9}}<br /> {{GaProp|9|Rejected|+=15|-=24}}<br /> {{GaProp|10|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|11|Accepted|+=21|-=17|remarks=<br /> ** this definition can be applied to every company<br /> ** required recount<br /> ** how could we make anyone liable to use public facilities?}}<br /> {{GaProp|12|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|13|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** Assange is not a wistleblower<br /> ** better if names were removed <br /> ** Voted as is, but could use an amendment}}<br /> {{GaProp|14|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** Better definition required for &quot;net neutrality&quot;.}}<br /> {{GaProp|15|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** It's more or less already in there: but remarks about only postal system and human rights with similar initiative.}}<br /> {{GaProp|16|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** Factual issue in the proposal since the press can be censored, what about private data protection}}<br /> {{GaProp|17|Accepted|+=24|-=11|remarks=<br /> ** Fuzzy language}}<br /> {{GaProp|18|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** what is &quot;democratie radicale&quot;? <br /> ** is it &quot;imposed democracy&quot; ;) <br /> ** We need another word than &quot;radical&quot; (2.1)}}<br /> <br /> === [1.3] Domestic politics and democracy ===<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|19|Rejected|+=14|-=24}}<br /> {{GaProp|20|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** fuzzy &quot;what's being for the referendum?&quot; <br /> ** how do we define referendum?}}<br /> {{GaProp|21|Postponed|+=18|-=16}}<br /> {{GaProp|22|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** what does that mean? <br /> ** we already have justice system}}<br /> {{GaProp|23|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** This is about someone who's been elected, not for candidates;}}<br /> {{GaProp|24|Accepted|+=20|remarks=<br /> ** The proposal is too vague, too general}}<br /> {{GaProp|25|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** What do we mean by recognize? (aknowledge existence or legitimity ?)}}<br /> {{GaProp|26|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** Same remark as 25.}}<br /> <br /> === [1.4] Economics ===<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|27|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|28|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|29|Accepted|+=25|remarks=<br /> ** Vague and fuzzy? <br /> ** Ambiguous? <br /> ** What does local economy mean? <br /> ** Does it mean protectionism? <br /> ** note: does not explain, also does not say protectionism}}<br /> {{GaProp|30|Rejected/Postponed|remarks=<br /> ** What does &quot;resource&quot; means; answer from author: means &quot;resource based economy&quot; needs clarification}}<br /> {{GaProp|31|Accepted|+=20|-=13|remarks=<br /> ** what's &quot;alternative economy&quot;? <br /> ** see examples}}<br /> {{GaProp|32|Rejected|+=14|-=18}}<br /> {{GaProp|33|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** not clear on what it really means}}<br /> {{GaProp|34|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** it's a statement, not a program point or opinion}}<br /> {{GaProp|35|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|36|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** need to change EU laws for that <br /> ** the first part is already in 27}}<br /> {{GaProp|37|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|38|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|39|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** universal basic income (everyone)<br /> ** what's the definition of basic income?<br /> ** also remarked: &quot;factual error, labour is not an economic product&quot;}}<br /> {{GaProp|40|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** minimun wage (working people only)}}<br /> {{GaProp|41|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|42|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** this is demagogy, ideology, unclear, fuzzy}}<br /> {{GaProp|43|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** implies corporate citizenship? (==a company is having same right as a citizen)}}<br /> {{GaProp|44|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|45|Rejected|remarks=<br /> **awfully stated}}<br /> {{GaProp|46|Postponed|+=17|-=15|remarks=<br /> ** European law problem; <br /> ** Very hard to realize}}<br /> {{GaProp|47|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|48|Rejected|+=10|-=18|remarks=<br /> ** Who is &quot;them&quot;? <br /> ** Pirates or citizens?}}<br /> {{GaProp|49|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|50|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|51|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** Should state &quot;a public audit&quot; or something like that}}<br /> {{GaProp|52|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** cannot be done in only one country, <br /> ** should explicitely read a wage/profit &quot;ratio&quot;. <br /> ** is missing clear definition and is quite populist position; <br /> ** how would we explain this to a journalist}}<br /> {{GaProp|53|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|54|Rejected|+=14|-=17|remarks=<br /> ** lower cap but also upper cap limitation, should maybe say minimally}}<br /> <br /> === [1.5] Banks ===<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|55|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** Too vague, <br /> ** should say public financing (with money from the state), <br /> ** also who would finance a bank that has gone bust anyway?<br /> ** too anecdoctical, lack of big picture.}}<br /> {{GaProp|56|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** the national part could be left out}}<br /> {{GaProp|57|Rejected|remarks <br /> ** why only bankers}}<br /> <br /> We interupted voting because we are quickly running out-of-time; <br /> * a proposal was made to deal with this problem<br /> ** whatever is not voted here today will be submitted on getopinionated<br /> ** and will be voted on getopinionated<br /> ** and will be valid as if elected on the EGA<br /> ** with voting closing before the first november<br /> ** only members will be able to vote: each Pirate will receive his/her membership via email, and then registrations will be closed (for security).<br /> ** only proposals from the program will be voted<br /> * the proposal was accepted, <br /> * a decision was made to continue up until proposal 62 and to end before point &quot;1.6 Labour social affairs&quot;.<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|58|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** unclear: what are policticians, while they are active or allways; only banks? ... ? }}<br /> {{GaProp|59|Accepted unanymously}}<br /> {{GaProp|60|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|61|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** This would mean we have to exit the euro}}<br /> {{GaProp|62|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** What is a dubious investment? Who defines it?)}}<br /> <br /> == EOEGA- End of General Assembly ==<br /> <br /> * BIG THX TO ORGANISERS!!<br /> * End at 17:50</div>

Sandb https://wiki.pirateparty.be/index.php?title=Crew_Gent&diff=10111 2013-09-29T19:41:55Z

<p>Sandb: /* Introduction */</p> <hr /> <div>{{CrewSidebar<br /> |place= <br /> |street=<br /> |number=<br /> |postalcode=<br /> |city=<br /> |captain=Sarah Van Liefferinge<br /> |navigator=Pieter Iserbyt<br /> |treasurekeeper=none<br /> |crewname=Crew Gent}}<br /> <br /> [[File:LogoGent.png|880px]]<br /> == Introduction ==<br /> <br /> The crew that's currently running Pirate Party Ghent is currently unnamed. It's a bunch of local guys coming together and see what they can do. It's still in an early stage but we hope new crews will pop-up over time.<br /> <br /> &lt;div style=&quot;color: #337; border: 1px solid #337; background-color: #dde; padding: 0.5em 1em; margin: 2em 0.5em; font-size: larger;&quot;&gt;<br /> ''WARNING:'' <br /> <br /> What you are looking at is the wiki where we used to put our meetingnotes etc. We've moved on since then, the new crew Ghent home can be found on the pirateparty.be website, on: '''http://pirateparty.be/node/163'''<br /> &lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> == Programma ==<br /> We are setting up a local program: [[Programma van de Gentse Crew]]<br /> <br /> == Mailing list ==<br /> <br /> We have a mailing list for the ghent crew. You can subscribe or unsubscribe at http://pirateparty.be/?page_id=65 . Be sure to subscribe to the one that says &quot;Inschrijven op de mailing list van de Gentse Piraten&quot; :-). This is a very good idea if you want to show up at a meeting.<br /> <br /> == Meetings ==<br /> <br /> === Where ===<br /> <br /> The address is:<br /> <br /> Trefpunt,<br /> Sint-Jacobs 18, <br /> 9000 Gent, Belgium<br /> <br /> [https://maps.google.com/maps?q=trefpunt&amp;hl=en&amp;ll=51.056202,3.728212&amp;spn=0.002397,0.005681&amp;sll=37.0625,-95.677068&amp;sspn=49.089956,93.076172&amp;t=h&amp;hq=trefpunt&amp;radius=15000&amp;z=18&amp;iwloc=A on Google Maps]<br /> <br /> === When ===<br /> <br /> We meet at 20:00 almost every Tuesday. See the [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=6b1c95bdq2g3b392ronb126584%40group.calendar.google.com&amp;ctz=Europe/Brussels calendar] for more precise info.<br /> <br /> === Getting in ===<br /> <br /> * We are usually in a room somewhere upstairs (3rd floor, in the back of the building). Ask the barman where for the pirate party meeting if you need help, he/she should be able to help you out.<br /> <br /> === Protips ===<br /> <br /> * Bring your laptop if you can, there is free internet (most of the time), and you will be able to share in the note-taking.<br /> * Yes, you are welcome if you want to come over!<br /> <br /> == Meeting notes ==<br /> <br /> &lt;small&gt;'''Older meetings:''' [[CrewGent/Meeting01|18 Oct 2011]], [[CrewGent/Meeting02|1 Nov 2011]], [[CrewGent/Meeting03|8 Nov 2011]], [[CrewGent/Meeting04|15 Nov 2011]], [[CrewGent/Meeting05|22 Nov 2011]], [[CrewGent/Meeting06|28 Nov 2011]], [[CrewGent/Meeting07|6 Dec 2011]], [[CrewGent/Meeting08|13 Dec 2011]], [[CrewGent/Meeting09|20 Dec 2011]], [[CrewGent/Meeting10|10 Jan 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting11|17 Jan 2012]], [[CrewGent/ManifestoMeeting|22 Jan 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting12|31 Jan 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting13|7 Feb 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting15|21 Feb 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting16|28 Feb 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting17|6 Maa 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting18|12 Maa 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting19|20 Maa 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting20|27 Maa 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting21|03 Apr 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting22|10 Apr 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting23|24 Apr 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting24|1 Mei 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting25|15 Mei 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting26|22 Mei 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting27|5 Juni 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting28|19 Juni 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting29|26 Juni 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting30|04 Juli 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting31|14 Augustus 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting32|21 Augustus 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting33|28 Augustus 2012]]&lt;/small&gt;<br /> <br /> {|border=&quot;1&quot; cellpadding=&quot;4&quot; width=&quot;400px&quot; style=&quot;border-collapse: collapse; border-spacing: 0; border-width: 1px; border-style: solid; border-color: #000&quot;<br /> !When<br /> !Meeting notes<br /> |-<br /> | 25 September 2012<br /> | [[CrewGent/Meeting37]]<br /> |-<br /> | 02 Oktober 2012<br /> | [[CrewGent/Meeting38]]<br /> |-<br /> | 09 Oktober 2012<br /> | [[CrewGent/Meeting39]]<br /> |-<br /> | 16 Oktober 2012<br /> | [[CrewGent/Meeting40]]<br /> |-<br /> | 23 Oktober 2012<br /> | [[CrewGent/Meeting41]]<br /> |-<br /> | 30 Oktober 2012<br /> | [[CrewGent/Meeting42]]<br /> |- <br /> | 11 November<br /> | [[CrewGent/PpStatutesPreparation]]<br /> |- <br /> | 14 November 2012<br /> | [[CrewGent/Meeting43]]<br /> |- <br /> | 20 November 2012<br /> | [[CrewGent/Meeting44]]<br /> |- <br /> | 4 December 2012<br /> | [[CrewGent/Meeting45]]<br /> |- <br /> | 18 December 2012<br /> | [[CrewGent/Meeting46]]<br /> |- <br /> | 14 Januari 2013<br /> | [[CrewGent/Meeting47]]<br /> |- <br /> | 30 Januari 2013<br /> | [[CrewGent/Meeting48]]<br /> |- <br /> | 5 Februari 2013<br /> | [[CrewGent/Meeting49]]<br /> |- <br /> | 12 Februari 2013<br /> | [[CrewGent/Meeting50]]<br /> |- <br /> | 19 Februari 2013<br /> | [[CrewGent/Meeting51]]<br /> |-<br /> | 26 Februari 2013<br /> | http://pirateparty.be/node/603<br /> |}<br /> <br /> == Current Projects ==<br /> * We are currently trying to compile a manifesto for CrewGent; draft currently at [[CrewGent/CrewGentManifesto]].<br /> * 2012 elections<br /> ** Results of the last local elections in [http://www.ibzdgip.fgov.be/result/nl/result_ko.php?date=2000-10-08&amp;vt=CG&amp;ko_type=KO_CG&amp;ko=892&amp;party_id= Ghent].<br /> ** Gathering info on [[CrewGent/Sabam|Sabam]]<br /> ** [[CrewGent/Elections2012Onkosten|Onkosten gemaakt voor de verkiezingen]]<br /> <br /> == Past Projects ==<br /> <br /> * We did some awesome projection of the Pirate Logo on the Light Festival of Ghent 2012. [https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.294096023982498.72206.242254335833334&amp;type=1 Pictures]<br /> <br /> == Other ==<br /> <br /> * Inventory of [[CrewGent/goodies|goodies]] for the Ghent Crew<br /> <br /> == Faq ==<br /> <br /> * ''Taalgebruik: Engels?'' -&gt; neen, Nederlands of Engels, maakt niet uit. Engels = iets meer toegankelijker voor iedereen in Belgie, Nederlands = meest gebruikte taal in Gent. Expect a mix of Dutch and English on this site, dutch will be used more often during the meetings IRL.<br /> <br /> * ''Edit / add something on the wiki?'' Use the 'edit'-tab or for certain sections the 'edit'-hyperlink to edit a page. Don't forget that when you save, you'll have to solve a simple sum that appears above the textbox, after which you need to click 'Save page' again before your changes get saved.<br /> <br /> * ''IT related stuff?'' If you need to contact the IT workgroup, you can do so at ''itwerkgroep @t pirateparty d0t be''.<br /> <br /> == See also ==<br /> <br /> * you can also find us on our [http://www.facebook.com/pages/Piratenpartij-Gent/242254335833334 facebook page]<br /> * you can subscribe to the [http://www.facebook.com/feeds/page.php?format=atom10&amp;id=242254335833334 rss feed] of that facebook page<br /> * we have a blog: http://ppgent.wordpress.com<br /> * our twitter account is https://twitter.com/ppgent</div>

Sandb https://wiki.pirateparty.be/index.php?title=Events/EGA:2013-09/Notes&diff=10107 2013-09-29T18:46:09Z

<p>Sandb: </p> <hr /> <div>== Voting ==<br /> <br /> Note takers:<br /> * sandb<br /> * Vincent L.<br /> * fred m.<br /> <br /> Introduced a third option for voting: next to <br /> * &quot;yes&quot; (green) or <br /> * &quot;no&quot; (red) <br /> <br /> we introduce <br /> * &quot;postponed&quot; (white)<br /> <br /> White option voted '''yes''' unanimously <br /> <br /> questions:<br /> * Minimum of 2 votes difference, else postponed automatically<br /> * Not 50% for green, then it is not yes?<br /> <br /> Discussion on voting; do we go for classic voting and forgo the adaption?<br /> * 21 yes<br /> * 3 no<br /> * Accepted, classic voting<br /> * So we will not be using the white paper option<br /> <br /> Counting:<br /> * Everybody counts votes if it's a close call.<br /> <br /> General remark: <br /> * Rejected does not mean it definitely Rejected, <br /> <br /> == Motion 1: The Pirateparty Programme ==<br /> <br /> === [1.1] Proposal for an &quot;Introduction for the party programme&quot; ===<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|1|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.1|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** French version is leading version<br /> ** translation problem: radicale democratie should be directe democratie}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.2|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.3|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.4|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|3|Rejected/Postponed}}<br /> {{GaProp|4|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|5|Rejected|-=19|+=14}}<br /> <br /> === [1.2] Freedoms and civilian rights ===<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|6|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|7|Accepted|+=23|-=13 }}<br /> {{GaProp|8|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** better written version of 9}}<br /> {{GaProp|9|Rejected|+=15|-=24}}<br /> {{GaProp|10|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|11|Accepted|+=21|-=17|remarks=<br /> ** this definition can be applied to every company<br /> ** required recount<br /> ** how could we make anyone liable to use public facilities?}}<br /> {{GaProp|12|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|13|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** Assange is not a wistleblower<br /> ** better if names were removed <br /> ** Voted as is, but could use an amendment}}<br /> {{GaProp|14|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** Better definition required for &quot;net neutrality&quot;.}}<br /> {{GaProp|15|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** It's more or less already in there: but remarks about only postal system and human rights with similar initiative.}}<br /> {{GaProp|16|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** Factual issue in the proposal since the press can be censored, what about private data protection}}<br /> {{GaProp|17|Accepted|+=24|-=11|remarks=<br /> ** Fuzzy language}}<br /> {{GaProp|18|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** what is &quot;democratie radicale&quot;? <br /> ** is it &quot;imposed democracy&quot; ;) <br /> ** We need another word than &quot;radical&quot; (2.1)}}<br /> <br /> === [1.3] Domestic politics and democracy ===<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|19|Rejected|+=14|-=24}}<br /> {{GaProp|20|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** fuzzy &quot;what's being for the referendum?&quot; <br /> ** how do we define referendum?}}<br /> {{GaProp|21|Postponed|+=18|-=16}}<br /> {{GaProp|22|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** what does that mean? <br /> ** we already have justice system}}<br /> {{GaProp|23|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** This is about someone who's been elected, not for candidates;}}<br /> {{GaProp|24|Accepted|+=20|remarks=<br /> ** The proposal is too vague, too general}}<br /> {{GaProp|25|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** What do we mean by recognize? (aknowledge existence or legitimity ?)}}<br /> {{GaProp|26|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** Same remark as 25.}}<br /> <br /> === [1.4] Economics ===<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|27|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|28|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|29|Accepted|+=25|remarks=<br /> ** Vague and fuzzy? <br /> ** Ambiguous? <br /> ** What does local economy mean? <br /> ** Does it mean protectionism? <br /> ** note: does not explain, also does not say protectionism}}<br /> {{GaProp|30|Rejected/Postponed|remarks=<br /> ** What does &quot;resource&quot; means; answer from author: means &quot;resource based economy&quot; needs clarification}}<br /> {{GaProp|31|Accepted|+=20|-=13|remarks=<br /> ** what's &quot;alternative economy&quot;? <br /> ** see examples}}<br /> {{GaProp|32|Rejected|+=14|-=18}}<br /> {{GaProp|33|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** not clear on what it really means}}<br /> {{GaProp|34|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** it's a statement, not a program point or opinion}}<br /> {{GaProp|35|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|36|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** need to change EU laws for that <br /> ** the first part is already in 27}}<br /> {{GaProp|37|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|38|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|39|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** universal basic income (everyone)<br /> ** what's the definition of basic income?<br /> ** also remarked: &quot;factual error, labour is not an economic product&quot;}}<br /> {{GaProp|40|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** minimun wage (working people only)}}<br /> {{GaProp|41|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|42|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** this is demagogy, ideology, unclear, fuzzy}}<br /> {{GaProp|43|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** implies corporate citizenship? (==a company is having same right as a citizen)}}<br /> {{GaProp|44|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|45|Rejected|remarks=<br /> **awfully stated}}<br /> {{GaProp|46|Postponed|+=17|-=15|remarks=<br /> ** European law problem; <br /> ** Very hard to realize}}<br /> {{GaProp|47|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|48|Rejected|+=10|-=18|remarks=<br /> ** Who is &quot;them&quot;? <br /> ** Pirates or citizens?}}<br /> {{GaProp|49|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|50|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|51|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** Should state &quot;a public audit&quot; or something like that}}<br /> {{GaProp|52|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** cannot be done in only one country, <br /> ** should explicitely read a wage/profit &quot;ratio&quot;. <br /> ** is missing clear definition and is quite populist position; <br /> ** how would we explain this to a journalist}}<br /> {{GaProp|53|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|54|Rejected|+=14|-=17|remarks=<br /> ** lower cap but also upper cap limitation, should maybe say minimally}}<br /> <br /> === [1.5] Banks ===<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|55|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** Too vague, <br /> ** should say public financing (with money from the state), <br /> ** also who would finance a bank that has gone bust anyway?<br /> ** too anecdoctical, lack of big picture.}}<br /> {{GaProp|56|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** the national part could be left out}}<br /> {{GaProp|57|Rejected|remarks <br /> ** why only bankers}}<br /> <br /> We interupted voting because we are quickly running out-of-time; <br /> * a proposal was made to deal with this problem<br /> ** whatever is not voted here today will be submitted on getopinionated<br /> ** and will be voted on getopinionated<br /> ** and will be valid as if elected on the EGA<br /> ** with voting closing before the first november<br /> ** only members will be able to vote: each Pirate will receive his/her membership via email, and then registrations will be closed (for security).<br /> ** only proposals from the program will be voted<br /> * the proposal was accepted, <br /> * a decision was made to continue up until proposal 62 and to end before point &quot;1.6 Labour social affairs&quot;.<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|58|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** unclear: what are policticians, while they are active or allways; only banks? ... ? }}<br /> {{GaProp|59|Accepted unanymously}}<br /> {{GaProp|60|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|61|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** This would mean we have to exit the euro}}<br /> {{GaProp|62|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** What is a dubious investment? Who defines it?)}}<br /> <br /> == EOEGA- End of General Assembly ==<br /> <br /> * BIG THX TO ORGANISERS!!<br /> * End at 17:50</div>

Sandb https://wiki.pirateparty.be/index.php?title=Template:GaProp&diff=10106 2013-09-29T18:44:02Z

<p>Sandb: /* (E)GA Proposal Template */</p> <hr /> <div>&lt;noinclude&gt;<br /> ==(E)GA Proposal Template==<br /> <br /> Use like:<br /> &lt;nowiki&gt;{{GaProp|3.2|Accepted|+=17|-=10|remarks=<br /> ** a remark<br /> ** another remark}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;<br /> <br /> which results in:<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|3.2|Accepted|+=17|-=10|remarks=<br /> ** a remark<br /> ** another remark}}<br /> <br /> &lt;/noinclude&gt;&lt;includeonly&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;background-color: rgba(240,230,230,128); margin: 4px 1em; padding: 0.5em;&quot;&gt;<br /> &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight: bold; font-size: 150%&quot;&gt;{{{1}}}&lt;/span&gt;:<br /> * Status: {{{2}}}{{ #if: {{{+|}}} |<br /> * Votes for: {{{+}}}|}}{{ #if: {{{-|}}} |<br /> * Votes against: {{{-}}}|}}{{ #if: {{{remarks|}}} |<br /> * Notes: <br /> {{{remarks}}}|}}<br /> &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/includeonly&gt;</div>

Sandb https://wiki.pirateparty.be/index.php?title=Events/EGA:2013-09/Notes&diff=10105 2013-09-29T18:40:27Z

<p>Sandb: /* [1.5] Banks */</p> <hr /> <div>== Voting ==<br /> <br /> Introduced a third option for voting: next to <br /> * &quot;yes&quot; (green) or <br /> * &quot;no&quot; (red) <br /> <br /> we introduce <br /> * &quot;postponed&quot; (white): voted unanimously yes<br /> <br /> Q:<br /> * Minimum of 2 votes difference, else postponed automatically<br /> * Not 50% for green, then it is not yes?<br /> <br /> Note takers:<br /> * sandb<br /> * Vincent L.<br /> * fred m.<br /> <br /> Everybody counts votes if it's a close call.<br /> <br /> General remark: Rejected does not mean it definitely Rejected, <br /> <br /> Discussion on voting; do we go for classic voting and forgo the adaption?<br /> * 21 yes<br /> * 3 no<br /> * Accepted, classic voting<br /> <br /> == Motion 1: The Pirateparty Programme ==<br /> <br /> === [1.1] Proposal for an &quot;Introduction for the party programme&quot; ===<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|1|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.1|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** French version is leading version<br /> ** translation problem: radicale democratie should be directe democratie}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.2|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.3|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.4|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|3|Rejected/Postponed}}<br /> {{GaProp|4|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|5|Rejected|-=19|+=14}}<br /> <br /> === [1.2] Freedoms and civilian rights ===<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|6|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|7|Accepted|+=23|-=13 }}<br /> {{GaProp|8|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** better written version of 9}}<br /> {{GaProp|9|Rejected|+=15|-=24}}<br /> {{GaProp|10|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|11|Accepted|+=21|-=17|remarks=<br /> ** this definition can be applied to every company<br /> ** required recount<br /> ** how could we make anyone liable to use public facilities?}}<br /> {{GaProp|12|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|13|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** Assange is not a wistleblower<br /> ** better if names were removed <br /> ** Voted as is, but could use an amendment}}<br /> {{GaProp|14|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** Better definition required for &quot;net neutrality&quot;.}}<br /> {{GaProp|15|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** It's more or less already in there: but remarks about only postal system and human rights with similar initiative.}}<br /> {{GaProp|16|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** Factual issue in the proposal since the press can be censored, what about private data protection}}<br /> {{GaProp|17|Accepted|+=24|-=11|remarks=<br /> ** Fuzzy language}}<br /> {{GaProp|18|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** what is &quot;democratie radicale&quot;? <br /> ** is it &quot;imposed democracy&quot; ;) <br /> ** We need another word than &quot;radical&quot; (2.1)}}<br /> <br /> === [1.3] Domestic politics and democracy ===<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|19|Rejected|+=14|-=24}}<br /> {{GaProp|20|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** fuzzy &quot;what's being for the referendum?&quot; <br /> ** how do we define referendum?}}<br /> {{GaProp|21|Postponed|+=18|-=16}}<br /> {{GaProp|22|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** what does that mean? <br /> ** we already have justice system}}<br /> {{GaProp|23|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** This is about someone who's been elected, not for candidates;}}<br /> {{GaProp|24|Accepted|+=20|remarks=<br /> ** The proposal is too vague, too general}}<br /> {{GaProp|25|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** What do we mean by recognize? (aknowledge existence or legitimity ?)}}<br /> {{GaProp|26|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** Same remark as 25.}}<br /> <br /> === [1.4] Economics ===<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|27|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|28|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|29|Accepted|+=25|remarks=<br /> ** Vague and fuzzy? <br /> ** Ambiguous? <br /> ** What does local economy mean? <br /> ** Does it mean protectionism? <br /> ** note: does not explain, also does not say protectionism}}<br /> {{GaProp|30|Rejected/Postponed|remarks=<br /> ** What does &quot;resource&quot; means; answer from author: means &quot;resource based economy&quot; needs clarification}}<br /> {{GaProp|31|Accepted|+=20|-=13|remarks=<br /> ** what's &quot;alternative economy&quot;? <br /> ** see examples}}<br /> {{GaProp|32|Rejected|+=14|-=18}}<br /> {{GaProp|33|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** not clear on what it really means}}<br /> {{GaProp|34|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** it's a statement, not a program point or opinion}}<br /> {{GaProp|35|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|36|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** need to change EU laws for that <br /> ** the first part is already in 27}}<br /> {{GaProp|37|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|38|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|39|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** universal basic income (everyone)<br /> ** what's the definition of basic income?<br /> ** also remarked: &quot;factual error, labour is not an economic product&quot;}}<br /> {{GaProp|40|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** minimun wage (working people only)}}<br /> {{GaProp|41|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|42|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** this is demagogy, ideology, unclear, fuzzy}}<br /> {{GaProp|43|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** implies corporate citizenship? (==a company is having same right as a citizen)}}<br /> {{GaProp|44|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|45|Rejected|remarks=<br /> **awfully stated}}<br /> {{GaProp|46|Postponed|+=17|-=15|remarks=<br /> ** European law problem; <br /> ** Very hard to realize}}<br /> {{GaProp|47|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|48|Rejected|+=10|-=18|remarks=<br /> ** Who is &quot;them&quot;? <br /> ** Pirates or citizens?}}<br /> {{GaProp|49|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|50|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|51|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** Should state &quot;a public audit&quot; or something like that}}<br /> {{GaProp|52|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** cannot be done in only one country, <br /> ** should explicitely read a wage/profit &quot;ratio&quot;. <br /> ** is missing clear definition and is quite populist position; <br /> ** how would we explain this to a journalist}}<br /> {{GaProp|53|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|54|Rejected|+=14|-=17|remarks=<br /> ** lower cap but also upper cap limitation, should maybe say minimally}}<br /> <br /> === [1.5] Banks ===<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|55|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** Too vague, <br /> ** should say public financing (with money from the state), <br /> ** also who would finance a bank that has gone bust anyway?<br /> ** too anecdoctical, lack of big picture.}}<br /> {{GaProp|56|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** the national part could be left out}}<br /> {{GaProp|57|Rejected|remarks <br /> ** why only bankers}}<br /> <br /> We interupted voting because we are quickly running out-of-time; <br /> * a proposal was made to deal with this problem<br /> ** whatever is not voted here today will be submitted on getopinionated<br /> ** and will be voted on getopinionated<br /> ** and will be valid as if elected on the EGA<br /> ** with voting closing before the first november<br /> ** only members will be able to vote: each Pirate will receive his/her membership via email, and then registrations will be closed (for security).<br /> ** only proposals from the program will be voted<br /> * the proposal was accepted, <br /> * a decision was made to continue up until proposal 62 and to end before point &quot;1.6 Labour social affairs&quot;.<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|58|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** unclear: what are policticians, while they are active or allways; only banks? ... ? }}<br /> {{GaProp|59|Accepted unanymously}}<br /> {{GaProp|60|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|61|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** This would mean we have to exit the euro}}<br /> {{GaProp|62|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** What is a dubious investment? Who defines it?)}}<br /> <br /> == EOEGA- End of General Assembly ==<br /> <br /> * BIG THX TO ORGANISERS!!<br /> * End at 17:50</div>

Sandb https://wiki.pirateparty.be/index.php?title=Events/EGA:2013-09/Notes&diff=10104 2013-09-29T18:39:49Z

<p>Sandb: /* [1.2] Freedoms and civilian rights */</p> <hr /> <div>== Voting ==<br /> <br /> Introduced a third option for voting: next to <br /> * &quot;yes&quot; (green) or <br /> * &quot;no&quot; (red) <br /> <br /> we introduce <br /> * &quot;postponed&quot; (white): voted unanimously yes<br /> <br /> Q:<br /> * Minimum of 2 votes difference, else postponed automatically<br /> * Not 50% for green, then it is not yes?<br /> <br /> Note takers:<br /> * sandb<br /> * Vincent L.<br /> * fred m.<br /> <br /> Everybody counts votes if it's a close call.<br /> <br /> General remark: Rejected does not mean it definitely Rejected, <br /> <br /> Discussion on voting; do we go for classic voting and forgo the adaption?<br /> * 21 yes<br /> * 3 no<br /> * Accepted, classic voting<br /> <br /> == Motion 1: The Pirateparty Programme ==<br /> <br /> === [1.1] Proposal for an &quot;Introduction for the party programme&quot; ===<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|1|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.1|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** French version is leading version<br /> ** translation problem: radicale democratie should be directe democratie}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.2|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.3|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.4|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|3|Rejected/Postponed}}<br /> {{GaProp|4|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|5|Rejected|-=19|+=14}}<br /> <br /> === [1.2] Freedoms and civilian rights ===<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|6|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|7|Accepted|+=23|-=13 }}<br /> {{GaProp|8|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** better written version of 9}}<br /> {{GaProp|9|Rejected|+=15|-=24}}<br /> {{GaProp|10|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|11|Accepted|+=21|-=17|remarks=<br /> ** this definition can be applied to every company<br /> ** required recount<br /> ** how could we make anyone liable to use public facilities?}}<br /> {{GaProp|12|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|13|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** Assange is not a wistleblower<br /> ** better if names were removed <br /> ** Voted as is, but could use an amendment}}<br /> {{GaProp|14|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** Better definition required for &quot;net neutrality&quot;.}}<br /> {{GaProp|15|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** It's more or less already in there: but remarks about only postal system and human rights with similar initiative.}}<br /> {{GaProp|16|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** Factual issue in the proposal since the press can be censored, what about private data protection}}<br /> {{GaProp|17|Accepted|+=24|-=11|remarks=<br /> ** Fuzzy language}}<br /> {{GaProp|18|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** what is &quot;democratie radicale&quot;? <br /> ** is it &quot;imposed democracy&quot; ;) <br /> ** We need another word than &quot;radical&quot; (2.1)}}<br /> <br /> === [1.3] Domestic politics and democracy ===<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|19|Rejected|+=14|-=24}}<br /> {{GaProp|20|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** fuzzy &quot;what's being for the referendum?&quot; <br /> ** how do we define referendum?}}<br /> {{GaProp|21|Postponed|+=18|-=16}}<br /> {{GaProp|22|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** what does that mean? <br /> ** we already have justice system}}<br /> {{GaProp|23|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** This is about someone who's been elected, not for candidates;}}<br /> {{GaProp|24|Accepted|+=20|remarks=<br /> ** The proposal is too vague, too general}}<br /> {{GaProp|25|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** What do we mean by recognize? (aknowledge existence or legitimity ?)}}<br /> {{GaProp|26|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** Same remark as 25.}}<br /> <br /> === [1.4] Economics ===<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|27|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|28|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|29|Accepted|+=25|remarks=<br /> ** Vague and fuzzy? <br /> ** Ambiguous? <br /> ** What does local economy mean? <br /> ** Does it mean protectionism? <br /> ** note: does not explain, also does not say protectionism}}<br /> {{GaProp|30|Rejected/Postponed|remarks=<br /> ** What does &quot;resource&quot; means; answer from author: means &quot;resource based economy&quot; needs clarification}}<br /> {{GaProp|31|Accepted|+=20|-=13|remarks=<br /> ** what's &quot;alternative economy&quot;? <br /> ** see examples}}<br /> {{GaProp|32|Rejected|+=14|-=18}}<br /> {{GaProp|33|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** not clear on what it really means}}<br /> {{GaProp|34|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** it's a statement, not a program point or opinion}}<br /> {{GaProp|35|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|36|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** need to change EU laws for that <br /> ** the first part is already in 27}}<br /> {{GaProp|37|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|38|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|39|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** universal basic income (everyone)<br /> ** what's the definition of basic income?<br /> ** also remarked: &quot;factual error, labour is not an economic product&quot;}}<br /> {{GaProp|40|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** minimun wage (working people only)}}<br /> {{GaProp|41|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|42|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** this is demagogy, ideology, unclear, fuzzy}}<br /> {{GaProp|43|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** implies corporate citizenship? (==a company is having same right as a citizen)}}<br /> {{GaProp|44|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|45|Rejected|remarks=<br /> **awfully stated}}<br /> {{GaProp|46|Postponed|+=17|-=15|remarks=<br /> ** European law problem; <br /> ** Very hard to realize}}<br /> {{GaProp|47|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|48|Rejected|+=10|-=18|remarks=<br /> ** Who is &quot;them&quot;? <br /> ** Pirates or citizens?}}<br /> {{GaProp|49|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|50|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|51|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** Should state &quot;a public audit&quot; or something like that}}<br /> {{GaProp|52|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** cannot be done in only one country, <br /> ** should explicitely read a wage/profit &quot;ratio&quot;. <br /> ** is missing clear definition and is quite populist position; <br /> ** how would we explain this to a journalist}}<br /> {{GaProp|53|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|54|Rejected|+=14|-=17|remarks=<br /> ** lower cap but also upper cap limitation, should maybe say minimally}}<br /> <br /> === [1.5] Banks ===<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|55|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** Too vague, <br /> ** should say public financing (with money from the state), <br /> ** also who would finance a bank that has gone bust anyway?<br /> ** too anecdoctical, lack of big picture.}}<br /> {{GaProp|56|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** the national part could be left out}}<br /> {{GaProp|57|Rejected|remarks <br /> ** why only bankers}}<br /> <br /> We interuppted voting because we are quickly running out-of-time; <br /> * a proposal was made to deal with this problem<br /> ** whatever is not voted here today will be submitted on getopinionated<br /> ** and will be voted on getopinionated<br /> ** and will be valid as if elected on the EGA<br /> ** with voting closing before the first november<br /> ** only members will be able to vote: each Pirate will receive his/her membership via email, and then registrations will be closed (for security).<br /> ** only proposals from the program will be voted<br /> * the proposal was accepted, <br /> * a decision was made to continue up until proposal 62 and to end before point &quot;1.6 Labour social affairs&quot;.<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|58|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** unclear: what are policticians, while they are active or allways; only banks? ... ? }}<br /> {{GaProp|59|Accepted unanymously}}<br /> {{GaProp|60|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|61|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** This would mean we have to exit the euro}}<br /> {{GaProp|62|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** What is a dubious investment? Who defines it?)}}<br /> <br /> == EOEGA- End of General Assembly ==<br /> <br /> * BIG THX TO ORGANISERS!!<br /> * End at 17:50</div>

Sandb https://wiki.pirateparty.be/index.php?title=Events/EGA:2013-09/Notes&diff=10103 2013-09-29T18:39:19Z

<p>Sandb: </p> <hr /> <div>== Voting ==<br /> <br /> Introduced a third option for voting: next to <br /> * &quot;yes&quot; (green) or <br /> * &quot;no&quot; (red) <br /> <br /> we introduce <br /> * &quot;postponed&quot; (white): voted unanimously yes<br /> <br /> Q:<br /> * Minimum of 2 votes difference, else postponed automatically<br /> * Not 50% for green, then it is not yes?<br /> <br /> Note takers:<br /> * sandb<br /> * Vincent L.<br /> * fred m.<br /> <br /> Everybody counts votes if it's a close call.<br /> <br /> General remark: Rejected does not mean it definitely Rejected, <br /> <br /> Discussion on voting; do we go for classic voting and forgo the adaption?<br /> * 21 yes<br /> * 3 no<br /> * Accepted, classic voting<br /> <br /> == Motion 1: The Pirateparty Programme ==<br /> <br /> === [1.1] Proposal for an &quot;Introduction for the party programme&quot; ===<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|1|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.1|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** French version is leading version<br /> ** translation problem: radicale democratie should be directe democratie}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.2|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.3|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.4|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|3|Rejected/Postponed}}<br /> {{GaProp|4|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|5|Rejected|-=19|+=14}}<br /> <br /> === [1.2] Freedoms and civilian rights ===<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|6|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|7|Accepted|+=23|-=13 }}<br /> {{GaProp|8|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** better written version of 9}}<br /> {{GaProp|9|Rejected|+=15|-=24}}<br /> {{GaProp|10|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|11|+=21|-=17|remarks=<br /> ** this definition can be applied to every company<br /> ** required recount<br /> ** how could we make anyone liable to use public facilities?}}<br /> {{GaProp|12|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|13|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** Assange is not a wistleblower<br /> ** better if names were removed <br /> ** Voted as is, but could use an amendment}}<br /> {{GaProp|14|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** Better definition required for &quot;net neutrality&quot;.}}<br /> {{GaProp|15|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** It's more or less already in there: but remarks about only postal system and human rights with similar initiative.}}<br /> {{GaProp|16|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** Factual issue in the proposal since the press can be censored, what about private data protection}}<br /> {{GaProp|17|Accepted|+=24|-=11|remarks=<br /> ** Fuzzy language}}<br /> {{GaProp|18|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** what is &quot;democratie radicale&quot;? <br /> ** is it &quot;imposed democracy&quot; ;) <br /> ** We need another word than &quot;radical&quot; (2.1)}}<br /> <br /> === [1.3] Domestic politics and democracy ===<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|19|Rejected|+=14|-=24}}<br /> {{GaProp|20|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** fuzzy &quot;what's being for the referendum?&quot; <br /> ** how do we define referendum?}}<br /> {{GaProp|21|Postponed|+=18|-=16}}<br /> {{GaProp|22|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** what does that mean? <br /> ** we already have justice system}}<br /> {{GaProp|23|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** This is about someone who's been elected, not for candidates;}}<br /> {{GaProp|24|Accepted|+=20|remarks=<br /> ** The proposal is too vague, too general}}<br /> {{GaProp|25|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** What do we mean by recognize? (aknowledge existence or legitimity ?)}}<br /> {{GaProp|26|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** Same remark as 25.}}<br /> <br /> === [1.4] Economics ===<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|27|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|28|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|29|Accepted|+=25|remarks=<br /> ** Vague and fuzzy? <br /> ** Ambiguous? <br /> ** What does local economy mean? <br /> ** Does it mean protectionism? <br /> ** note: does not explain, also does not say protectionism}}<br /> {{GaProp|30|Rejected/Postponed|remarks=<br /> ** What does &quot;resource&quot; means; answer from author: means &quot;resource based economy&quot; needs clarification}}<br /> {{GaProp|31|Accepted|+=20|-=13|remarks=<br /> ** what's &quot;alternative economy&quot;? <br /> ** see examples}}<br /> {{GaProp|32|Rejected|+=14|-=18}}<br /> {{GaProp|33|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** not clear on what it really means}}<br /> {{GaProp|34|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** it's a statement, not a program point or opinion}}<br /> {{GaProp|35|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|36|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** need to change EU laws for that <br /> ** the first part is already in 27}}<br /> {{GaProp|37|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|38|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|39|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** universal basic income (everyone)<br /> ** what's the definition of basic income?<br /> ** also remarked: &quot;factual error, labour is not an economic product&quot;}}<br /> {{GaProp|40|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** minimun wage (working people only)}}<br /> {{GaProp|41|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|42|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** this is demagogy, ideology, unclear, fuzzy}}<br /> {{GaProp|43|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** implies corporate citizenship? (==a company is having same right as a citizen)}}<br /> {{GaProp|44|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|45|Rejected|remarks=<br /> **awfully stated}}<br /> {{GaProp|46|Postponed|+=17|-=15|remarks=<br /> ** European law problem; <br /> ** Very hard to realize}}<br /> {{GaProp|47|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|48|Rejected|+=10|-=18|remarks=<br /> ** Who is &quot;them&quot;? <br /> ** Pirates or citizens?}}<br /> {{GaProp|49|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|50|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|51|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** Should state &quot;a public audit&quot; or something like that}}<br /> {{GaProp|52|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** cannot be done in only one country, <br /> ** should explicitely read a wage/profit &quot;ratio&quot;. <br /> ** is missing clear definition and is quite populist position; <br /> ** how would we explain this to a journalist}}<br /> {{GaProp|53|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|54|Rejected|+=14|-=17|remarks=<br /> ** lower cap but also upper cap limitation, should maybe say minimally}}<br /> <br /> === [1.5] Banks ===<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|55|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** Too vague, <br /> ** should say public financing (with money from the state), <br /> ** also who would finance a bank that has gone bust anyway?<br /> ** too anecdoctical, lack of big picture.}}<br /> {{GaProp|56|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** the national part could be left out}}<br /> {{GaProp|57|Rejected|remarks <br /> ** why only bankers}}<br /> <br /> We interuppted voting because we are quickly running out-of-time; <br /> * a proposal was made to deal with this problem<br /> ** whatever is not voted here today will be submitted on getopinionated<br /> ** and will be voted on getopinionated<br /> ** and will be valid as if elected on the EGA<br /> ** with voting closing before the first november<br /> ** only members will be able to vote: each Pirate will receive his/her membership via email, and then registrations will be closed (for security).<br /> ** only proposals from the program will be voted<br /> * the proposal was accepted, <br /> * a decision was made to continue up until proposal 62 and to end before point &quot;1.6 Labour social affairs&quot;.<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|58|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** unclear: what are policticians, while they are active or allways; only banks? ... ? }}<br /> {{GaProp|59|Accepted unanymously}}<br /> {{GaProp|60|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|61|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** This would mean we have to exit the euro}}<br /> {{GaProp|62|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** What is a dubious investment? Who defines it?)}}<br /> <br /> == EOEGA- End of General Assembly ==<br /> <br /> * BIG THX TO ORGANISERS!!<br /> * End at 17:50</div>

Sandb https://wiki.pirateparty.be/index.php?title=Template:GaProp&diff=10102 2013-09-29T18:38:32Z

<p>Sandb: /* (E)GA Proposal Template */</p> <hr /> <div>&lt;noinclude&gt;<br /> ==(E)GA Proposal Template==<br /> <br /> Use like:<br /> &lt;nowiki&gt;{{GaProp|3.2|Accepted|+=17|-=10|remarks=<br /> ** a remark<br /> ** another remark}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;<br /> <br /> which results in:<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|3.2|Accepted|+=17|-=10|remarks=<br /> ** a remark<br /> ** another remark}}<br /> <br /> &lt;/noinclude&gt;&lt;includeonly&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;background-color: rgba(240,230,230,128); margin: 4px 1em; padding: 0.5em;&quot;&gt;<br /> &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight: bold; font-size: 200%&quot;&gt;{{{1}}}&lt;/span&gt;:<br /> * Status: {{{2}}}{{ #if: {{{+|}}} |<br /> * Votes for: {{{+}}}|}}{{ #if: {{{-|}}} |<br /> * Votes against: {{{-}}}|}}{{ #if: {{{remarks|}}} |<br /> * Notes: <br /> {{{remarks}}}|}}<br /> &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/includeonly&gt;</div>

Sandb https://wiki.pirateparty.be/index.php?title=Events/EGA:2013-09/Notes&diff=10101 2013-09-29T18:37:21Z

<p>Sandb: </p> <hr /> <div>== Voting ==<br /> <br /> Introduced a third option for voting: next to <br /> * &quot;yes&quot; (green) or <br /> * &quot;no&quot; (red) <br /> <br /> we introduce <br /> * &quot;postponed&quot; (white): voted unanimously yes<br /> <br /> * Minimum of 2 votes difference, else postponed automatically<br /> * Not 50% for green, then it is not yes?<br /> <br /> Note takers:<br /> * sandb<br /> * Vincent L.<br /> * fred m.<br /> <br /> Everybody counts votes if it's a close call.<br /> <br /> General remark: Rejected does not mean it definitely Rejected, <br /> <br /> Discussion on voting; do we go for classic voting and forgo the adaption?<br /> * 21 yes<br /> * 3 no<br /> * Accepted<br /> <br /> == Motion 1: The Pirateparty Programme ==<br /> <br /> === [1.1] Proposal for an &quot;Introduction for the party programme&quot; ===<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|1|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.1|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** French version is leading version<br /> ** translation problem: radicale democratie should be directe democratie}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.2|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.3|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.4|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|3|Rejected/Postponed}}<br /> {{GaProp|4|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|5|Rejected|-=19|+=14}}<br /> <br /> === [1.2] Freedoms and civilian rights ===<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|6|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|7|Accepted|+=23|-=13 }}<br /> {{GaProp|8|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** better written version of 9}}<br /> {{GaProp|9|Rejected|+=15|-=24}}<br /> {{GaProp|10|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|11|+=21|-=17|remarks=<br /> ** this definition can be applied to every company<br /> ** required recount<br /> ** how could we make anyone liable to use public facilities?}}<br /> {{GaProp|12|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|13|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** Assange is not a wistleblower<br /> ** better if names were removed <br /> ** Voted as is, but could use an amendment}}<br /> {{GaProp|14|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** Better definition required for &quot;net neutrality&quot;.}}<br /> {{GaProp|15|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** It's more or less already in there: but remarks about only postal system and human rights with similar initiative.}}<br /> {{GaProp|16|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** Factual issue in the proposal since the press can be censored, what about private data protection}}<br /> {{GaProp|17|Accepted|+=24|-=11|remarks=<br /> ** Fuzzy language}}<br /> {{GaProp|18|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** what is &quot;democratie radicale&quot;? <br /> ** is it &quot;imposed democracy&quot; ;) <br /> ** We need another word than &quot;radical&quot; (2.1)}}<br /> <br /> === [1.3] Domestic politics and democracy ===<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|19|Rejected|+=14|-=24}}<br /> {{GaProp|20|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** fuzzy &quot;what's being for the referendum?&quot; <br /> ** how do we define referendum?}}<br /> {{GaProp|21|Postponed|+=18|-=16}}<br /> {{GaProp|22|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** what does that mean? <br /> ** we already have justice system}}<br /> {{GaProp|23|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** This is about someone who's been elected, not for candidates;}}<br /> {{GaProp|24|Accepted|+=20|remarks=<br /> ** The proposal is too vague, too general}}<br /> {{GaProp|25|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** What do we mean by recognize? (aknowledge existence or legitimity ?)}}<br /> {{GaProp|26|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** Same remark as 25.}}<br /> <br /> === [1.4] Economics ===<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|27|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|28|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|29|Accepted|+=25|remarks=<br /> ** Vague and fuzzy? <br /> ** Ambiguous? <br /> ** What does local economy mean? <br /> ** Does it mean protectionism? <br /> ** note: does not explain, also does not say protectionism}}<br /> {{GaProp|30|Rejected/Postponed|remarks=<br /> ** What does &quot;resource&quot; means; answer from author: means &quot;resource based economy&quot; needs clarification}}<br /> {{GaProp|31|Accepted|+=20|-=13|remarks=<br /> ** what's &quot;alternative economy&quot;? <br /> ** see examples}}<br /> {{GaProp|32|Rejected|+=14|-=18}}<br /> {{GaProp|33|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** not clear on what it really means}}<br /> {{GaProp|34|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** it's a statement, not a program point or opinion}}<br /> {{GaProp|35|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|36|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** need to change EU laws for that <br /> ** the first part is already in 27}}<br /> {{GaProp|37|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|38|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|39|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** universal basic income (everyone)<br /> ** what's the definition of basic income?<br /> ** also remarked: &quot;factual error, labour is not an economic product&quot;}}<br /> {{GaProp|40|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** minimun wage (working people only)}}<br /> {{GaProp|41|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|42|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** this is demagogy, ideology, unclear, fuzzy}}<br /> {{GaProp|43|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** implies corporate citizenship? (==a company is having same right as a citizen)}}<br /> {{GaProp|44|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|45|Rejected|remarks=<br /> **awfully stated}}<br /> {{GaProp|46|Postponed|+=17|-=15|remarks=<br /> ** European law problem; <br /> ** Very hard to realize}}<br /> {{GaProp|47|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|48|Rejected|+=10|-=18|remarks=<br /> ** Who is &quot;them&quot;? <br /> ** Pirates or citizens?}}<br /> {{GaProp|49|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|50|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|51|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** Should state &quot;a public audit&quot; or something like that}}<br /> {{GaProp|52|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** cannot be done in only one country, <br /> ** should explicitely read a wage/profit &quot;ratio&quot;. <br /> ** is missing clear definition and is quite populist position; <br /> ** how would we explain this to a journalist}}<br /> {{GaProp|53|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|54|Rejected|+=14|-=17|remarks=<br /> ** lower cap but also upper cap limitation, should maybe say minimally}}<br /> <br /> === [1.5] Banks ===<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|55|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** Too vague, <br /> ** should say public financing (with money from the state), <br /> ** also who would finance a bank that has gone bust anyway?<br /> ** too anecdoctical, lack of big picture.}}<br /> {{GaProp|56|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** the national part could be left out}}<br /> {{GaProp|57|Rejected|remarks <br /> ** why only bankers}}<br /> <br /> We interuppted voting because we are quickly running out-of-time; <br /> * a proposal was made to deal with this problem<br /> ** whatever is not voted here today will be submitted on getopinionated<br /> ** and will be voted on getopinionated<br /> ** and will be valid as if elected on the EGA<br /> ** with voting closing before the first november<br /> ** only members will be able to vote: each Pirate will receive his/her membership via email, and then registrations will be closed (for security).<br /> ** only proposals from the program will be voted<br /> * the proposal was accepted, <br /> * a decision was made to continue up until proposal 62 and to end before point &quot;1.6 Labour social affairs&quot;.<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|58|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** unclear: what are policticians, while they are active or allways; only banks? ... ? }}<br /> {{GaProp|59|Accepted unanymously}}<br /> {{GaProp|60|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|61|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** This would mean we have to exit the euro}}<br /> {{GaProp|62|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** What is a dubious investment? Who defines it?)}}<br /> <br /> == EOEGA- End of General Assembly ==<br /> <br /> * BIG THX TO ORGANISERS!!<br /> * End at 17:50</div>

Sandb https://wiki.pirateparty.be/index.php?title=Template:GaProp&diff=10100 2013-09-29T18:36:51Z

<p>Sandb: /* (E)GA Proposal Template */</p> <hr /> <div>&lt;noinclude&gt;<br /> ==(E)GA Proposal Template==<br /> <br /> Use like:<br /> &lt;nowiki&gt;{{GaProp|3.2|Accepted|+=17|-=10|remarks=<br /> ** a remark<br /> ** another remark}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;<br /> <br /> which results in:<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|3.2|Accepted|+=17|-=10|remarks=<br /> ** a remark<br /> ** another remark}}<br /> <br /> &lt;/noinclude&gt;&lt;includeonly&gt;<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;background-color: rgba(240,230,230,128); margin: 4px 1em; padding: 0.5em;&quot;&gt;<br /> &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight: bold; font-size: 200%&quot;&gt;{{{1}}}&lt;/span&gt;:<br /> * Status: {{{2}}}{{ #if: {{{+|}}} |<br /> * Votes for: {{{+}}}|}}{{ #if: {{{-|}}} |<br /> * Votes against: {{{-}}}|}}{{ #if: {{{remarks|}}} |<br /> * Notes: <br /> {{{remarks}}}|}}<br /> &lt;/div&gt;<br /> &lt;/includeonly&gt;</div>

Sandb https://wiki.pirateparty.be/index.php?title=Events/EGA:2013-09/Notes&diff=10099 2013-09-29T18:35:46Z

<p>Sandb: </p> <hr /> <div>== Voting ==<br /> <br /> Introduced a third option for voting: next to <br /> * &quot;yes&quot; (green) or <br /> * &quot;no&quot; (red) <br /> <br /> we introduce <br /> * &quot;postponed&quot; (white): voted unanimously yes<br /> <br /> * Minimum of 2 votes difference, else postponed automatically<br /> * Not 50% for green, then it is not yes?<br /> <br /> Note takers:<br /> * sandb<br /> * Vincent L.<br /> * fred m.<br /> <br /> Everybody counts votes if close call.<br /> General remark: Rejected does not mean it definitely Rejected, <br /> <br /> Discussion on voting; do we go for classic voting and forgo the adaption?<br /> * 21 yes<br /> * 3 no<br /> * Accepted<br /> <br /> == Motion 1: The Pirateparty Programme ==<br /> <br /> === [1.1] Proposal for an &quot;Introduction for the party programme&quot; ===<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|1|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.1|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** French version is leading version<br /> ** translation problem: radicale democratie should be directe democratie}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.2|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.3|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.4|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|3|Rejected/Postponed}}<br /> {{GaProp|4|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|5|Rejected|-=19|+=14}}<br /> <br /> === [1.2] Freedoms and civilian rights ===<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|6|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|7|Accepted|+=23|-=13 }}<br /> {{GaProp|8|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** better written version of 9}}<br /> {{GaProp|9|Rejected|+=15|-=24}}<br /> {{GaProp|10|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|11|+=21|-=17|remarks=<br /> ** this definition can be applied to every company<br /> ** required recount<br /> ** how could we make anyone liable to use public facilities?}}<br /> {{GaProp|12|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|13|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** Assange is not a wistleblower<br /> ** better if names were removed <br /> ** Voted as is, but could use an amendment}}<br /> {{GaProp|14|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** Better definition required for &quot;net neutrality&quot;.}}<br /> {{GaProp|15|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** It's more or less already in there: but remarks about only postal system and human rights with similar initiative.}}<br /> {{GaProp|16|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** Factual issue in the proposal since the press can be censored, what about private data protection}}<br /> {{GaProp|17|Accepted|+=24|-=11|remarks=<br /> ** Fuzzy language}}<br /> {{GaProp|18|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** what is &quot;democratie radicale&quot;? <br /> ** is it &quot;imposed democracy&quot; ;) <br /> ** We need another word than &quot;radical&quot; (2.1)}}<br /> <br /> === [1.3] Domestic politics and democracy ===<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|19|Rejected|+=14|-=24}}<br /> {{GaProp|20|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** fuzzy &quot;what's being for the referendum?&quot; <br /> ** how do we define referendum?}}<br /> {{GaProp|21|Postponed|+=18|-=16}}<br /> {{GaProp|22|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** what does that mean? <br /> ** we already have justice system}}<br /> {{GaProp|23|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** This is about someone who's been elected, not for candidates;}}<br /> {{GaProp|24|Accepted|+=20|remarks=<br /> ** The proposal is too vague, too general}}<br /> {{GaProp|25|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** What do we mean by recognize? (aknowledge existence or legitimity ?)}}<br /> {{GaProp|26|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** Same remark as 25.}}<br /> <br /> === [1.4] Economics ===<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|27|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|28|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|29|Accepted|+=25|remarks=<br /> ** Vague and fuzzy? <br /> ** Ambiguous? <br /> ** What does local economy mean? <br /> ** Does it mean protectionism? <br /> ** note: does not explain, also does not say protectionism}}<br /> {{GaProp|30|Rejected/Postponed|remarks=<br /> ** What does &quot;resource&quot; means; answer from author: means &quot;resource based economy&quot; needs clarification}}<br /> {{GaProp|31|Accepted|+=20|-=13|remarks=<br /> ** what's &quot;alternative economy&quot;? <br /> ** see examples}}<br /> {{GaProp|32|Rejected|+=14|-=18}}<br /> {{GaProp|33|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** not clear on what it really means}}<br /> {{GaProp|34|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** it's a statement, not a program point or opinion}}<br /> {{GaProp|35|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|36|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** need to change EU laws for that <br /> ** the first part is already in 27}}<br /> {{GaProp|37|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|38|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|39|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** universal basic income (everyone)<br /> ** what's the definition of basic income?<br /> ** also remarked: &quot;factual error, labour is not an economic product&quot;}}<br /> {{GaProp|40|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** minimun wage (working people only)}}<br /> {{GaProp|41|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|42|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** this is demagogy, ideology, unclear, fuzzy}}<br /> {{GaProp|43|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** implies corporate citizenship? (==a company is having same right as a citizen)}}<br /> {{GaProp|44|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|45|Rejected|remarks=<br /> **awfully stated}}<br /> {{GaProp|46|Postponed|+=17|-=15|remarks=<br /> ** European law problem; <br /> ** Very hard to realize}}<br /> {{GaProp|47|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|48|Rejected|+=10|-=18|remarks=<br /> ** Who is &quot;them&quot;? <br /> ** Pirates or citizens?}}<br /> {{GaProp|49|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|50|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|51|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** Should state &quot;a public audit&quot; or something like that}}<br /> {{GaProp|52|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** cannot be done in only one country, <br /> ** should explicitely read a wage/profit &quot;ratio&quot;. <br /> ** is missing clear definition and is quite populist position; <br /> ** how would we explain this to a journalist}}<br /> {{GaProp|53|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|54|Rejected|+=14|-=17|remarks=<br /> ** lower cap but also upper cap limitation, should maybe say minimally}}<br /> <br /> === [1.5] Banks ===<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|55|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** Too vague, <br /> ** should say public financing (with money from the state), <br /> ** also who would finance a bank that has gone bust anyway?<br /> ** too anecdoctical, lack of big picture.}}<br /> {{GaProp|56|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** the national part could be left out}}<br /> {{GaProp|57|Rejected|remarks <br /> ** why only bankers}}<br /> <br /> We interuppted voting because we are quickly running out-of-time; <br /> * a proposal was made to deal with this problem<br /> ** whatever is not voted here today will be submitted on getopinionated<br /> ** and will be voted on getopinionated<br /> ** and will be valid as if elected on the EGA<br /> ** with voting closing before the first november<br /> ** only members will be able to vote: each Pirate will receive his/her membership via email, and then registrations will be closed (for security).<br /> ** only proposals from the program will be voted<br /> * the proposal was accepted, <br /> * a decision was made to continue up until proposal 62 and to end before point &quot;1.6 Labour social affairs&quot;.<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|58|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** unclear: what are policticians, while they are active or allways; only banks? ... ? }}<br /> {{GaProp|59|Accepted unanymously}}<br /> {{GaProp|60|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|61|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** This would mean we have to exit the euro}}<br /> {{GaProp|62|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** What is a dubious investment? Who defines it?)}}<br /> <br /> == EOEGA- End of General Assembly ==<br /> <br /> * BIG THX TO ORGANISERS!!<br /> * End at 17:50</div>

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<p>Sandb: /* (E)GA Proposal Template */</p> <hr /> <div>&lt;noinclude&gt;<br /> ==(E)GA Proposal Template==<br /> <br /> Use like:<br /> &lt;nowiki&gt;{{GaProp|3.2|Accepted|+=17|-=10|remarks=<br /> ** a remark<br /> ** another remark}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;<br /> <br /> which results in:<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|3.2|Accepted|+=17|-=10|remarks=<br /> ** a remark<br /> ** another remark}}<br /> <br /> &lt;/noinclude&gt;&lt;includeonly&gt;<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;background-color: rgba(240,230,230,128); margin: 0.25em; padding: 0.25em;&quot;&gt;<br /> &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight: bold; font-size: 200%&quot;&gt;{{{1}}}&lt;/span&gt;:<br /> * Status: {{{2}}}{{ #if: {{{+|}}} |<br /> * Votes for: {{{+}}}|}}{{ #if: {{{-|}}} |<br /> * Votes against: {{{-}}}|}}{{ #if: {{{remarks|}}} |<br /> * Notes: <br /> {{{remarks}}}|}}<br /> &lt;/div&gt;<br /> &lt;/includeonly&gt;</div>

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<p>Sandb: </p> <hr /> <div>== Voting ==<br /> <br /> Introduced a third option for voting: next to <br /> * &quot;yes&quot; (green) or <br /> * &quot;no&quot; (red) <br /> we introduce <br /> * &quot;postponed&quot; (white): voted unanimously yes<br /> <br /> * Minimum of 2 votes difference, else postponed automatically<br /> * Not 50% for green, then it is not yes?<br /> <br /> Note takers:<br /> * sandb<br /> * Vincent L.<br /> * fred m.<br /> <br /> Everybody counts votes if close call.<br /> General remark: Rejected does not mean it definitely Rejected, <br /> <br /> Discussion on voting; do we go for classic voting and forgo the adaption?<br /> * 21 yes<br /> * 3 no<br /> * Accepted<br /> <br /> == Motion 1: The Pirateparty Programme ==<br /> <br /> === [1.1] Proposal for an &quot;Introduction for the party programme&quot; ===<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|1|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.1|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** French version is leading version<br /> ** translation problem: radicale democratie should be directe democratie}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.2|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.3|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.4|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|3|Rejected/Postponed}}<br /> {{GaProp|4|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|5|Rejected|-=19|+=14}}<br /> <br /> === [1.2] Freedoms and civilian rights ===<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|6|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|7|Accepted|+=23|-=13 }}<br /> {{GaProp|8|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** better written version of 9}}<br /> {{GaProp|9|Rejected|+=15|-=24}}<br /> {{GaProp|10|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|11|+=21|-=17|remarks=<br /> ** this definition can be applied to every company<br /> ** required recount<br /> ** how could we make anyone liable to use public facilities?}}<br /> {{GaProp|12|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|13|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** Assange is not a wistleblower<br /> ** better if names were removed <br /> ** Voted as is, but could use an amendment}}<br /> {{GaProp|14|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** Better definition required for &quot;net neutrality&quot;.}}<br /> {{GaProp|15|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** It's more or less already in there: but remarks about only postal system and human rights with similar initiative.}}<br /> {{GaProp|16|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** Factual issue in the proposal since the press can be censored, what about private data protection}}<br /> {{GaProp|17|Accepted|+=24|-=11|remarks=<br /> ** Fuzzy language}}<br /> {{GaProp|18|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** what is &quot;democratie radicale&quot;? <br /> ** is it &quot;imposed democracy&quot; ;) <br /> ** We need another word than &quot;radical&quot; (2.1)}}<br /> <br /> === [1.3] Domestic politics and democracy ===<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|19|Rejected|+=14|-=24}}<br /> {{GaProp|20|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** fuzzy &quot;what's being for the referendum?&quot; <br /> ** how do we define referendum?}}<br /> {{GaProp|21|Postponed|+=18|-=16}}<br /> {{GaProp|22|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** what does that mean? <br /> ** we already have justice system}}<br /> {{GaProp|23|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** This is about someone who's been elected, not for candidates;}}<br /> {{GaProp|24|Accepted|+=20|remarks=<br /> ** The proposal is too vague, too general}}<br /> {{GaProp|25|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** What do we mean by recognize? (aknowledge existence or legitimity ?)}}<br /> {{GaProp|26|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** Same remark as 25.}}<br /> <br /> === [1.4] Economics ===<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|27|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|28|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|29|Accepted|+=25|remarks=<br /> ** Vague and fuzzy? <br /> ** Ambiguous? <br /> ** What does local economy mean? <br /> ** Does it mean protectionism? <br /> ** note: does not explain, also does not say protectionism}}<br /> {{GaProp|30|Rejected/Postponed|remarks=<br /> ** What does &quot;resource&quot; means; answer from author: means &quot;resource based economy&quot; needs clarification}}<br /> {{GaProp|31|Accepted|+=20|-=13|remarks=<br /> ** what's &quot;alternative economy&quot;? <br /> ** see examples}}<br /> {{GaProp|32|Rejected|+=14|-=18}}<br /> {{GaProp|33|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** not clear on what it really means}}<br /> {{GaProp|34|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** it's a statement, not a program point or opinion}}<br /> {{GaProp|35|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|36|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** need to change EU laws for that <br /> ** the first part is already in 27}}<br /> {{GaProp|37|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|38|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|39|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** universal basic income (everyone)<br /> ** what's the definition of basic income?<br /> ** also remarked: &quot;factual error, labour is not an economic product&quot;}}<br /> {{GaProp|40|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** minimun wage (working people only)}}<br /> {{GaProp|41|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|42|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** this is demagogy, ideology, unclear, fuzzy}}<br /> {{GaProp|43|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** implies corporate citizenship? (==a company is having same right as a citizen)}}<br /> {{GaProp|44|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|45|Rejected|remarks=<br /> **awfully stated}}<br /> {{GaProp|46|Postponed|+=17|-=15|remarks=<br /> ** European law problem; <br /> ** Very hard to realize}}<br /> {{GaProp|47|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|48|Rejected|+=10|-=18|remarks=<br /> ** Who is &quot;them&quot;? <br /> ** Pirates or citizens?}}<br /> {{GaProp|49|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|50|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|51|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** Should state &quot;a public audit&quot; or something like that}}<br /> {{GaProp|52|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** cannot be done in only one country, <br /> ** should explicitely read a wage/profit &quot;ratio&quot;. <br /> ** is missing clear definition and is quite populist position; <br /> ** how would we explain this to a journalist}}<br /> {{GaProp|53|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|54|Rejected|+=14|-=17|remarks=<br /> ** lower cap but also upper cap limitation, should maybe say minimally}}<br /> <br /> === [1.5] Banks ===<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|55|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** Too vague, <br /> ** should say public financing (with money from the state), <br /> ** also who would finance a bank that has gone bust anyway?<br /> ** too anecdoctical, lack of big picture.}}<br /> {{GaProp|56|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** the national part could be left out}}<br /> {{GaProp|57|Rejected|remarks <br /> ** why only bankers}}<br /> <br /> We interuppted voting because we are quickly running out-of-time; <br /> * a proposal was made to deal with this problem<br /> ** whatever is not voted here today will be submitted on getopinionated<br /> ** and will be voted on getopinionated<br /> ** and will be valid as if elected on the EGA<br /> ** with voting closing before the first november<br /> ** only members will be able to vote: each Pirate will receive his/her membership via email, and then registrations will be closed (for security).<br /> ** only proposals from the program will be voted<br /> * the proposal was accepted, <br /> * a decision was made to continue up until proposal 62 and to end before point &quot;1.6 Labour social affairs&quot;.<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|58|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** unclear: what are policticians, while they are active or allways; only banks? ... ? }}<br /> {{GaProp|59|Accepted unanymously}}<br /> {{GaProp|60|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|61|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** This would mean we have to exit the euro}}<br /> {{GaProp|62|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** What is a dubious investment? Who defines it?)}}<br /> <br /> == EOEGA- End of General Assembly ==<br /> <br /> * BIG THX TO ORGANISERS!!<br /> * End at 17:50</div>

Sandb https://wiki.pirateparty.be/index.php?title=Events/EGA:2013-09/Notes&diff=10096 2013-09-29T18:32:55Z

<p>Sandb: </p> <hr /> <div>== Voting ==<br /> <br /> Introduced a third option for voting: next to <br /> * &quot;yes&quot; (green) or <br /> * &quot;no&quot; (red) <br /> we introduce <br /> * &quot;postponed&quot; (white): voted unanimously yes<br /> <br /> * Minimum of 2 votes difference, else postponed automatically<br /> * Not 50% for green, then it is not yes?<br /> <br /> Note takers:<br /> * sandb<br /> * Vincent L.<br /> * fred m.<br /> <br /> Everybody counts votes if close call.<br /> General remark: Rejected does not mean it definatly Rejected, <br /> <br /> Discussion on voting; do we go for classic voting and forgo the adaption?<br /> * 21 yes<br /> * 3 no<br /> * Accepted<br /> <br /> == Motion 1: The Pirateparty Programme ==<br /> <br /> === 1.1 Proposal for an &quot;Introduction for the party programme&quot; ===<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|1|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.1|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** French version is leading version<br /> ** translation problem: radicale democratie should be directe democratie}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.2|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.3|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.4|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|3|Rejected/Postponed}}<br /> {{GaProp|4|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|5|Rejected|-=19|+=14}}<br /> <br /> === 1.2 Freedoms and civilian rights ===<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|6|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|7|Accepted|+=23|-=13 }}<br /> {{GaProp|8|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** better written version of 9}}<br /> {{GaProp|9|Rejected|+=15|-=24}}<br /> {{GaProp|10|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|11|+=21|-=17|remarks=<br /> ** this definition can be applied to every company<br /> ** required recount<br /> ** how could we make anyone liable to use public facilities?}}<br /> {{GaProp|12|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|13|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** Assange is not a wistleblower<br /> ** better if names were removed <br /> ** Voted as is, but could use an amendment}}<br /> {{GaProp|14|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** Better definition required for &quot;net neutrality&quot;.}}<br /> {{GaProp|15|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** It's more or less already in there: but remarks about only postal system and human rights with similar initiative.}}<br /> {{GaProp|16|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** Factual issue in the proposal since the press can be censored, what about private data protection}}<br /> {{GaProp|17|Accepted|+=24|-=11|remarks=<br /> ** Fuzzy language}}<br /> {{GaProp|18|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** what is &quot;democratie radicale&quot;? <br /> ** is it &quot;imposed democracy&quot; ;) <br /> ** We need another word than &quot;radical&quot; (2.1)}}<br /> <br /> === 1.3 Domestic politics and democracy ===<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|19|Rejected|+=14|-=24}}<br /> {{GaProp|20|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** fuzzy &quot;what's being for the referendum?&quot; <br /> ** how do we define referendum?}}<br /> {{GaProp|21|Postponed|+=18|-=16}}<br /> {{GaProp|22|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** what does that mean? <br /> ** we already have justice system}}<br /> {{GaProp|23|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** This is about someone who's been elected, not for candidates;}}<br /> {{GaProp|24|Accepted|+=20|remarks=<br /> ** The proposal is too vague, too general}}<br /> {{GaProp|25|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** What do we mean by recognize? (aknowledge existence or legitimity ?)}}<br /> {{GaProp|26|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** Same remark as 25.}}<br /> <br /> === 1.4 Economics ===<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|27|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|28|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|29|Accepted|+=25|remarks=<br /> ** Vague and fuzzy? <br /> ** Ambiguous? <br /> ** What does local economy mean? <br /> ** Does it mean protectionism? <br /> ** note: does not explain, also does not say protectionism}}<br /> {{GaProp|30|Rejected/Postponed|remarks=<br /> ** What does &quot;resource&quot; means; answer from author: means &quot;resource based economy&quot; needs clarification}}<br /> {{GaProp|31|Accepted|+=20|-=13|remarks=<br /> ** what's &quot;alternative economy&quot;? <br /> ** see examples}}<br /> {{GaProp|32|Rejected|+=14|-=18}}<br /> {{GaProp|33|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** not clear on what it really means}}<br /> {{GaProp|34|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** it's a statement, not a program point or opinion}}<br /> {{GaProp|35|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|36|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** need to change EU laws for that <br /> ** the first part is already in 27}}<br /> {{GaProp|37|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|38|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|39|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** universal basic income (everyone)<br /> ** what's the definition of basic income?<br /> ** also remarked: &quot;factual error, labour is not an economic product&quot;}}<br /> {{GaProp|40|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** minimun wage (working people only)}}<br /> {{GaProp|41|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|42|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** this is demagogy, ideology, unclear, fuzzy}}<br /> {{GaProp|43|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** implies corporate citizenship? (==a company is having same right as a citizen)}}<br /> {{GaProp|44|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|45|Rejected|remarks=<br /> **awfully stated}}<br /> {{GaProp|46|Postponed|+=17|-=15|remarks=<br /> ** European law problem; <br /> ** Very hard to realize}}<br /> {{GaProp|47|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|48|Rejected|+=10|-=18|remarks=<br /> ** Who is &quot;them&quot;? <br /> ** Pirates or citizens?}}<br /> {{GaProp|49|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|50|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|51|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** Should state &quot;a public audit&quot; or something like that}}<br /> {{GaProp|52|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** cannot be done in only one country, <br /> ** should explicitely read a wage/profit &quot;ratio&quot;. <br /> ** is missing clear definition and is quite populist position; <br /> ** how would we explain this to a journalist}}<br /> {{GaProp|53|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|54|Rejected|+=14|-=17|remarks=<br /> ** lower cap but also upper cap limitation, should maybe say minimally}}<br /> <br /> === 1.5 Banks ===<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|55|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** Too vague, <br /> ** should say public financing (with money from the state), <br /> ** also who would finance a bank that has gone bust anyway?<br /> ** too anecdoctical, lack of big picture.}}<br /> {{GaProp|56|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** the national part could be left out}}<br /> {{GaProp|57|Rejected|remarks <br /> ** why only bankers}}<br /> <br /> We interuppted voting because we are quickly running out-of-time; <br /> * a proposal was made to deal with this problem<br /> ** whatever is not voted here today will be submitted on getopinionated<br /> ** and will be voted on getopinionated<br /> ** and will be valid as if elected on the EGA<br /> ** with voting closing before the first november<br /> ** only members will be able to vote: each Pirate will receive his/her membership via email, and then registrations will be closed (for security).<br /> ** only proposals from the program will be voted<br /> * the proposal was accepted, <br /> * a decision was made to continue up until proposal 62 and to end before point &quot;1.6 Labour social affairs&quot;.<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|58|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** unclear: what are policticians, while they are active or allways; only banks? ... ? }}<br /> {{GaProp|59|Accepted unanymously}}<br /> {{GaProp|60|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|61|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** This would mean we have to exit the euro}}<br /> {{GaProp|62|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** What is a dubious investment? Who defines it?)}}<br /> <br /> == EOEGA- End of General Assembly ==<br /> <br /> * BIG THX TO ORGANISERS!!<br /> * End at 17:50</div>

Sandb https://wiki.pirateparty.be/index.php?title=Template:GaProp&diff=10095 2013-09-29T18:29:56Z

<p>Sandb: /* (E)GA Proposal Template */</p> <hr /> <div>&lt;noinclude&gt;<br /> ==(E)GA Proposal Template==<br /> <br /> Use like:<br /> &lt;nowiki&gt;{{GaProp|3.2|Accepted|+=17|-=10|remarks=<br /> ** a remark<br /> ** another remark}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;<br /> <br /> which results in:<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|3.2|Accepted|+=17|-=10|remarks=<br /> ** a remark<br /> ** another remark}}<br /> <br /> &lt;/noinclude&gt;&lt;includeonly&gt;<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;background-color: rgba(240,230,230,128); margin: 0.5em; padding: 0.5em;&quot;&gt;<br /> &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight: bold; font-size: 200%&quot;&gt;{{{1}}}&lt;/span&gt;:<br /> * Status: {{{2}}}{{ #if: {{{+|}}} |<br /> * Votes for: {{{+}}}|}}{{ #if: {{{-|}}} |<br /> * Votes against: {{{-}}}|}}{{ #if: {{{remarks|}}} |<br /> * Notes: <br /> {{{remarks}}}|}}<br /> &lt;/div&gt;<br /> &lt;/includeonly&gt;</div>

Sandb https://wiki.pirateparty.be/index.php?title=Template:GaProp&diff=10094 2013-09-29T18:29:40Z

<p>Sandb: /* (E)GA Proposal Template */</p> <hr /> <div>&lt;noinclude&gt;<br /> ==(E)GA Proposal Template==<br /> <br /> Use like:<br /> &lt;nowiki&gt;{{GaProp|3.2|Accepted|+=17|-=10|remarks=<br /> ** a remark<br /> ** another remark}}<br /> &lt;/nowiki&gt;<br /> <br /> which results in:<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|3.2|Accepted|+=17|-=10|remarks=<br /> ** a remark<br /> ** another remark}}<br /> <br /> &lt;/noinclude&gt;&lt;includeonly&gt;<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;background-color: rgba(240,230,230,128); margin: 0.5em; padding: 0.5em;&quot;&gt;<br /> &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight: bold; font-size: 200%&quot;&gt;{{{1}}}&lt;/span&gt;:<br /> * Status: {{{2}}}{{ #if: {{{+|}}} |<br /> * Votes for: {{{+}}}|}}{{ #if: {{{-|}}} |<br /> * Votes against: {{{-}}}|}}{{ #if: {{{remarks|}}} |<br /> * Notes: <br /> {{{remarks}}}|}}<br /> &lt;/div&gt;<br /> &lt;/includeonly&gt;</div>

Sandb https://wiki.pirateparty.be/index.php?title=Template:GaProp&diff=10093 2013-09-29T18:29:20Z

<p>Sandb: </p> <hr /> <div>&lt;noinclude&gt;<br /> ==(E)GA Proposal Template==<br /> <br /> Use like:<br /> &lt;nowiki&gt;<br /> {{GaProp|3.2|Accepted|+=17|-=10|remarks=<br /> ** a remark<br /> ** another remark}}<br /> &lt;/nowiki&gt;<br /> <br /> which results in:<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|3.2|Accepted|+=17|-=10|remarks=<br /> ** a remark<br /> ** another remark}}<br /> <br /> &lt;/noinclude&gt;&lt;includeonly&gt;<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;background-color: rgba(240,230,230,128); margin: 0.5em; padding: 0.5em;&quot;&gt;<br /> &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight: bold; font-size: 200%&quot;&gt;{{{1}}}&lt;/span&gt;:<br /> * Status: {{{2}}}{{ #if: {{{+|}}} |<br /> * Votes for: {{{+}}}|}}{{ #if: {{{-|}}} |<br /> * Votes against: {{{-}}}|}}{{ #if: {{{remarks|}}} |<br /> * Notes: <br /> {{{remarks}}}|}}<br /> &lt;/div&gt;<br /> &lt;/includeonly&gt;</div>

Sandb https://wiki.pirateparty.be/index.php?title=Template:GaProp&diff=10092 2013-09-29T18:28:26Z

<p>Sandb: </p> <hr /> <div>&lt;noinclude&gt;<br /> ==(E)GA Proposal Template==<br /> <br /> Use like:<br /> &lt;nowiki&gt;<br /> {{GaProp|3.2|Accepted|+=17|-=10|remarks=<br /> ** a remark<br /> ** another remark}}<br /> &lt;/nowiki&gt;<br /> <br /> which results in:<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|3.2|Accepted|+=17|-=10|remarks=<br /> ** a remark<br /> ** another remark}}<br /> <br /> &lt;/noinclude&gt;&lt;includeonly&gt;<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;background-color: rgba(240,230,230,128); margin: 0.5em; padding: 0.5em;&quot;&gt;<br /> &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight: bold; font-size: 200%&quot;&gt;{{{1}}}&lt;/span&gt;:<br /> * Status: {{{2}}}{{ #if: {{{+|}}} |<br /> * Votes for: {{{+}}}|}}{{ #if: {{{-|}}} |<br /> * Votes against: {{{-}}}|}}{{ #if: {{{remarks|}}} |<br /> * Notes: <br /> {{{remarks}}}|}}<br /> &lt;/div&gt;<br /> &lt;/includeonly&gt;</div>

Sandb https://wiki.pirateparty.be/index.php?title=Events/EGA:2013-09/Notes&diff=10087 2013-09-29T15:23:28Z

<p>Sandb: </p> <hr /> <div>== Voting ==<br /> <br /> Introduced a third option for voting: next to <br /> * &quot;yes&quot; (green) or <br /> * &quot;no&quot; (red) <br /> we introduce <br /> * &quot;postponed&quot; (white): voted unanimously yes<br /> <br /> * Minimum of 2 votes difference, else postponed automatically<br /> * Not 50% for green, then it is not yes?<br /> <br /> Note takers:<br /> * sandb<br /> * Vincent L.<br /> * fred m.<br /> <br /> Everybody counts votes if close call.<br /> General remark: Rejected does not mean it definatly Rejected, <br /> <br /> Discussion on voting; do we go for classic voting and forgo the adaption?<br /> * 21 yes<br /> * 3 no<br /> * Accepted<br /> <br /> === Motion 1: The Pirateparty Programme ===<br /> <br /> ==== 1.1 Proposal for an &quot;Introduction for the party programme&quot; ====<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|1|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.1|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** French version is leading version<br /> ** translation problem: radicale democratie should be directe democratie}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.2|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.3|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.4|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|3|Rejected/Postponed}}<br /> {{GaProp|4|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|5|Rejected|-=19|+=14}}<br /> <br /> ==== 1.2 Freedoms and civilian rights ====<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|6|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|7|Accepted|+=23|-=13 }}<br /> {{GaProp|8|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** better written version of 9}}<br /> {{GaProp|9|Rejected|+=15|-=24}}<br /> {{GaProp|10|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|11|+=21|-=17|remarks=<br /> ** this definition can be applied to every company<br /> ** required recount<br /> ** how could we make anyone liable to use public facilities?}}<br /> {{GaProp|12|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|13|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** Assange is not a wistleblower<br /> ** better if names were removed <br /> ** Voted as is, but could use an amendment}}<br /> {{GaProp|14|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** Better definition required for &quot;net neutrality&quot;.}}<br /> {{GaProp|15|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** It's more or less already in there: but remarks about only postal system and human rights with similar initiative.}}<br /> {{GaProp|16|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** Factual issue in the proposal since the press can be censored, what about private data protection}}<br /> {{GaProp|17|Accepted|+=24|-=11|remarks=<br /> ** Fuzzy language}}<br /> {{GaProp|18|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** what is &quot;democratie radicale&quot;? <br /> ** is it &quot;imposed democracy&quot; ;) <br /> ** We need another word than &quot;radical&quot; (2.1)}}<br /> <br /> ==== 1.3 Domestic politics and democracy ====<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|19|Rejected|+=14|-=24}}<br /> {{GaProp|20|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** fuzzy &quot;what's being for the referendum?&quot; <br /> ** how do we define referendum?}}<br /> {{GaProp|21|Postponed|+=18|-=16}}<br /> {{GaProp|22|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** what does that mean? <br /> ** we already have justice system}}<br /> {{GaProp|23|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** This is about someone who's been elected, not for candidates;}}<br /> {{GaProp|24|Accepted|+=20|remarks=<br /> ** The proposal is too vague, too general}}<br /> {{GaProp|25|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** What do we mean by recognize? (aknowledge existence or legitimity ?)}}<br /> {{GaProp|26|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** Same remark as 25.}}<br /> <br /> ==== 1.4 Economics ====<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|27|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|28|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|29|Accepted|+=25|remarks=<br /> ** Vague and fuzzy? <br /> ** Ambiguous? <br /> ** What does local economy mean? <br /> ** Does it mean protectionism? <br /> ** note: does not explain, also does not say protectionism}}<br /> {{GaProp|30|Rejected/Postponed|remarks=<br /> ** What does &quot;resource&quot; means; answer from author: means &quot;resource based economy&quot; needs clarification}}<br /> {{GaProp|31|Accepted|+=20|-=13|remarks=<br /> ** what's &quot;alternative economy&quot;? <br /> ** see examples}}<br /> {{GaProp|32|Rejected|+=14|-=18}}<br /> {{GaProp|33|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** not clear on what it really means}}<br /> {{GaProp|34|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** it's a statement, not a program point or opinion}}<br /> {{GaProp|35|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|36|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** need to change EU laws for that <br /> ** the first part is already in 27}}<br /> {{GaProp|37|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|38|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|39|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** universal basic income (everyone)<br /> ** what's the definition of basic income?<br /> ** also remarked: &quot;factual error, labour is not an economic product&quot;}}<br /> {{GaProp|40|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** minimun wage (working people only)}}<br /> {{GaProp|41|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|42|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** this is demagogy, ideology, unclear, fuzzy}}<br /> {{GaProp|43|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** implies corporate citizenship? (==a company is having same right as a citizen)}}<br /> {{GaProp|44|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|45|Rejected|remarks=<br /> **awfully stated}}<br /> {{GaProp|46|Postponed|+=17|-=15|remarks=<br /> ** European law problem; <br /> ** Very hard to realize}}<br /> {{GaProp|47|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|48|Rejected|+=10|-=18|remarks=<br /> ** Who is &quot;them&quot;? <br /> ** Pirates or citizens?}}<br /> {{GaProp|49|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|50|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|51|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** Should state &quot;a public audit&quot; or something like that}}<br /> {{GaProp|52|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** cannot be done in only one country, <br /> ** should explicitely read a wage/profit &quot;ratio&quot;. <br /> ** is missing clear definition and is quite populist position; <br /> ** how would we explain this to a journalist}}<br /> {{GaProp|53|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|54|Rejected|+=14|-=17|remarks=<br /> ** lower cap but also upper cap limitation, should maybe say minimally}}<br /> <br /> ==== 1.5 Banks ====<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|55|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** Too vague, <br /> ** should say public financing (with money from the state), <br /> ** also who would finance a bank that has gone bust anyway?<br /> ** too anecdoctical, lack of big picture.}}<br /> {{GaProp|56|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** the national part could be left out}}<br /> {{GaProp|57|Rejected|remarks <br /> ** why only bankers}}<br /> <br /> We interuppted voting because we are quickly running out-of-time; <br /> * a proposal was made to deal with this problem<br /> ** whatever is not voted here today will be submitted on getopinionated<br /> ** and will be voted on getopinionated<br /> ** and will be valid as if elected on the EGA<br /> ** with voting closing before the first november<br /> ** only members will be able to vote: each Pirate will receive his/her membership via email, and then registrations will be closed (for security).<br /> ** only proposals from the program will be voted<br /> * the proposal was accepted, <br /> * a decision was made to continue up until proposal 62 and to end before point &quot;1.6 Labour social affairs&quot;.<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|58|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** unclear: what are policticians, while they are active or allways; only banks? ... ? }}<br /> {{GaProp|59|Accepted unanymously}}<br /> {{GaProp|60|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|61|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** This would mean we have to exit the euro}}<br /> {{GaProp|62|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** What is a dubious investment? Who defines it?)}}<br /> <br /> == EOEGA- End of General Assembly ==<br /> <br /> * BIG THX TO ORGANISERS!!<br /> * End at 17:50</div>

Sandb https://wiki.pirateparty.be/index.php?title=Events/EGA:2013-09/Notes&diff=10086 2013-09-29T15:19:54Z

<p>Sandb: </p> <hr /> <div>== Voting ==<br /> <br /> Introduced a third option for voting: next to <br /> * &quot;yes&quot; (green) or <br /> * &quot;no&quot; (red) <br /> we introduce <br /> * &quot;postponed&quot; (white): voted unanimously yes<br /> <br /> * Minimum of 2 votes difference, else postponed automatically<br /> * Not 50% for green, then it is not yes?<br /> <br /> Note takers:<br /> * sandb<br /> * Vincent L.<br /> * fred m.<br /> <br /> Everybody counts votes if close call.<br /> General remark: Rejected does not mean it definatly Rejected, <br /> <br /> Discussion on voting; do we go for classic voting and forgo the adaption?<br /> * 21 yes<br /> * 3 no<br /> * Accepted<br /> <br /> === Motion 1: The Pirateparty Programme ===<br /> <br /> ==== 1.1 Proposal for an &quot;Introduction for the party programme&quot; ====<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|1|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.1|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** French version is leading version<br /> ** translation problem: radicale democratie should be directe democratie}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.2|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.3|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.4|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|3|Rejected/Postponed}}<br /> {{GaProp|4|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|5|Rejected|-=19|+=14}}<br /> <br /> ==== 1.2 Freedoms and civilian rights ====<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|6|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|7|Accepted|+=23|-=13 }}<br /> {{GaProp|8|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** better written version of 9}}<br /> {{GaProp|9|Rejected|+=15|-=24}}<br /> {{GaProp|10|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|11|+=21|-=17|remarks=<br /> ** this definition can be applied to every company<br /> ** required recount<br /> ** how could we make anyone liable to use public facilities?}}<br /> {{GaProp|12|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|13|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** Assange is not a wistleblower<br /> ** better if names were removed <br /> ** Voted as is, but could use an amendment}}<br /> {{GaProp|14|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** Better definition required for &quot;net neutrality&quot;.}}<br /> {{GaProp|15|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** It's more or less already in there: but remarks about only postal system and human rights with similar initiative.}}<br /> {{GaProp|16|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** Factual issue in the proposal since the press can be censored, what about private data protection}}<br /> {{GaProp|17|Accepted|+=24|-=11|remarks=<br /> ** Fuzzy language}}<br /> {{GaProp|18|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** what is &quot;democratie radicale&quot;? <br /> ** is it &quot;imposed democracy&quot; ;) <br /> ** We need another word than &quot;radical&quot; (2.1)}}<br /> <br /> ==== 1.3 Domestic politics and democracy ====<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|19|Rejected|+=14|-=24}}<br /> {{GaProp|20|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** fuzzy &quot;what's being for the referendum?&quot; <br /> ** how do we define referendum?}}<br /> {{GaProp|21|Postponed|+=18|-=16}}<br /> {{GaProp|22|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** what does that mean? <br /> ** we already have justice system}}<br /> {{GaProp|23|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** This is about someone who's been elected, not for candidates;}}<br /> {{GaProp|24|Accepted|+=20|remarks=<br /> ** The proposal is too vague, too general}}<br /> {{GaProp|25|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** What do we mean by recognize? (aknowledge existence or legitimity ?)}}<br /> {{GaProp|26|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** Same remark as 25.}}<br /> <br /> ==== 1.4 Economics ====<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|27|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|28|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|29|Accepted|+=25|remarks=<br /> ** Vague and fuzzy? <br /> ** Ambiguous? <br /> ** What does local economy mean? <br /> ** Does it mean protectionism? <br /> ** note: does not explain, also does not say protectionism}}<br /> {{GaProp|30|Rejected/Postponed|remarks=<br /> ** What does &quot;resource&quot; means; answer from author: means &quot;resource based economy&quot; needs clarification}}<br /> {{GaProp|31|Accepted|+=20|-=13|remarks=<br /> ** what's &quot;alternative economy&quot;? <br /> ** see examples}}<br /> {{GaProp|32|Rejected|+=14|-=18}}<br /> {{GaProp|33|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** not clear on what it really means}}<br /> {{GaProp|34|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** it's a statement, not a program point or opinion}}<br /> {{GaProp|35|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|36|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** need to change EU laws for that <br /> ** the first part is already in 27}}<br /> {{GaProp|37|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|38|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|39|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** universal basic income (everyone)<br /> ** what's the definition of basic income?<br /> ** also remarked: &quot;factual error, labour is not an economic product&quot;}}<br /> {{GaProp|40|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** minimun wage (working people only)}}<br /> {{GaProp|41|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|42|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** this is demagogy, ideology, unclear, fuzzy}}<br /> {{GaProp|43|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** implies corporate citizenship? (==a company is having same right as a citizen)}}<br /> {{GaProp|44|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|45|Rejected|remarks=<br /> **awfully stated}}<br /> {{GaProp|46|Postponed|+=17|-=15|remarks=<br /> ** European law problem; <br /> ** Very hard to realize}}<br /> {{GaProp|47|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|48|Rejected|+=10|-=18|remarks=<br /> ** Who is &quot;them&quot;? <br /> ** Pirates or citizens?}}<br /> {{GaProp|49|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|50|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|51|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** Should state &quot;a public audit&quot; or something like that}}<br /> {{GaProp|52|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** cannot be done in only one country, <br /> ** should explicitely read a wage/profit &quot;ratio&quot;. <br /> ** is missing clear definition and is quite populist position; <br /> ** how would we explain this to a journalist}}<br /> {{GaProp|53|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|54|Rejected|+=14|-=17|remarks=<br /> ** lower cap but also upper cap limitation, should maybe say minimally}}<br /> <br /> ==== 1.5 Banks ===<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|55|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** Too vague, <br /> ** should say public financing (with money from the state), <br /> ** also who would finance a bank that has gone bust anyway?<br /> ** too anecdoctical, lack of big picture.}}<br /> {{GaProp|56|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** the national part could be left out}}<br /> {{GaProp|57|Rejected|remarks <br /> ** why only bankers}}<br /> <br /> We interuppted voting because we are quickly running out-of-time; <br /> * a proposal was made to deal with this problem<br /> ** whatever is not voted here today will be submitted on getopinionated<br /> ** and will be voted on getopinionated<br /> ** and will be valid as if elected on the EGA<br /> ** with voting closing before the first november<br /> ** only members will be able to vote: each Pirate will receive his/her membership via email, and then registrations will be closed (for security).<br /> ** only proposals from the program will be voted<br /> * the proposal was accepted, <br /> * a decision was made to continue up until proposal 62 and to end before point &quot;1.6 Labour social affairs&quot;.<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|58|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** unclear: what are policticians, while they are active or allways; only banks? ... ? }}<br /> {{GaProp|59|Accepted unanymously}}<br /> {{GaProp|60|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|61|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** This would mean we have to exit the euro}}<br /> {{GaProp|62|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** What is a dubious investment? Who defines it?)}}<br /> <br /> == EOEGA- End of General Assembly ==<br /> <br /> * BIG THX TO ORGANISERS!!<br /> * End at 17:50</div>

Sandb https://wiki.pirateparty.be/index.php?title=Events/EGA:2013-09/Notes&diff=10083 2013-09-29T14:54:48Z

<p>Sandb: </p> <hr /> <div>== Voting ==<br /> <br /> Introduced a third option for voting: next to <br /> * &quot;yes&quot; (green) or <br /> * &quot;no&quot; (red) <br /> we introduce <br /> * &quot;postponed&quot; (white): voted unanimously yes<br /> <br /> * Minimum of 2 votes difference, else postponed automatically<br /> * Not 50% for green, then it is not yes?<br /> <br /> Note takers:<br /> * sandb<br /> * Vincent L.<br /> * fred m.<br /> <br /> Everybody counts votes if close call.<br /> General remark: rejected does not mean it definatly rejected, <br /> <br /> Discussion on voting; do we go for classic voting and forgo the adaption?<br /> * 21 yes<br /> * 3 no<br /> * accepted<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|1|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.1|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** French version is leading version<br /> ** translation problem: radicale democratie should be directe democratie}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.2|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.3|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|2.4|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|3|Rejected/Postponed}}<br /> {{GaProp|4|Rejected}}<br /> {{GaProp|5|Rejected|-=19|+=14}}<br /> {{GaProp|6|Accepted}}<br /> <br /> {{GaProp|7|Accepted|+=23|-=13 }}<br /> {{GaProp|8|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** better written version of 9}}<br /> {{GaProp|9|Rejected|+=15|-=24}}<br /> {{GaProp|10|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|11|+=21|-=17|remarks=<br /> ** this definition can be applied to every company<br /> ** required recount<br /> ** how could we make anyone liable to use public facilities?}}<br /> {{GaProp|12|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|13|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** Assange is not a wistleblower<br /> ** better if names were removed <br /> ** Voted as is, but could use an amendment}}<br /> {{GaProp|14|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** Better definition required for &quot;net neutrality&quot;.}}<br /> {{GaProp|15|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** It's more or less already in there: but remarks about only postal system and human rights with similar initiative.}}<br /> {{GaProp|16|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** Factual issue in the proposal since the press can be censored, what about private data protection}}<br /> {{GaProp|17|Accepted|+=24|-=11|remarks=<br /> ** Fuzzy language}}<br /> {{GaProp|18|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** what is &quot;democratie radicale&quot;? <br /> ** is it &quot;imposed democracy&quot; ;) <br /> ** We need another word than &quot;radical&quot; (2.1)}}<br /> {{GaProp|19|Rejected|+=14|-=24}}<br /> {{GaProp|20|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** fuzzy &quot;what's being for the referendum?&quot; <br /> ** how do we define referendum?}}<br /> {{GaProp|21|Postponed|+=18|-=16}}<br /> {{GaProp|22|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** what does that mean? <br /> ** we already have justice system}}<br /> {{GaProp|23|Accepted|remarks=<br /> ** This is about someone who's been elected, not for candidates;}}<br /> {{GaProp|24|Accepted|+=20|remarks=<br /> ** The proposal is too vague, too general}}<br /> {{GaProp|25|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** What do we mean by recognize? (aknowledge existence or legitimity ?)}}<br /> {{GaProp|26|Rejected|remarks=<br /> ** Same remark as 25.}}<br /> {{GaProp|27|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|28|Accepted}}<br /> {{GaProp|29|Accepted|+=25|remarks=<br /> ** Vague and fuzzy? <br /> ** Ambiguous? <br /> ** What does local economy mean? <br /> ** Does it mean protectionism? <br /> ** note: does not explain, also does not say protectionism}}<br /> <br /> 30. rejected/postponed ;remarks : what does &quot;resource&quot; means; answer from author: means &quot;resource based economy&quot; needs clarification<br /> <br /> 31. accepted 20 vs 13; remarks: what's &quot;alternative economy&quot; ? see examples<br /> <br /> 32. rejected 14 vs 18<br /> <br /> 33. rejected ;remarks: not clear on what it really means <br /> <br /> 34. rejected ;remark: it's a statement, not a program point or opinion<br /> <br /> 35. accepted; anonymous<br /> <br /> 36. rejected ;remarks : need to change EU laws for that; the first part is already in 27;<br /> <br /> 37. accepted<br /> <br /> 38. accepted<br /> <br /> 39. accepted ; remarks : universal basic income (everyone); what's the definition of basic income ? ; also remarked: &quot;factual error, labour is not an economic product&quot;<br /> <br /> 40. accepted ; remarks : minimun wage (working people only)<br /> <br /> 41. accepted<br /> <br /> 42. rejected; remarks: this is demagogy, ideology, unclear, fuzzy<br /> <br /> 43.rejected, except by Kash; remarks : implies corporate citizenship? (==a company is having same right as a citizen)<br /> <br /> 44. rejected<br /> <br /> 45. rejected (awfully stated)<br /> <br /> 46. postponed ;17 vs 15 ;remarks : european law problem; very hard to realize<br /> <br /> 47. accepted<br /> <br /> 48. rejected 10/18 remark: who's &quot;them&quot; ? Pirates or citizens ?<br /> <br /> 49. accepted<br /> <br /> 50. accepted<br /> <br /> 51. accepted (rem: should state &quot;a public audit&quot; or something like that)<br /> <br /> 52. rejected ;remarks: 1. cannot be done in only one country, 2. should explicitely read a wage/profit &quot;ratio&quot;. 3. is missing clear definition and is quite populist position; how would we explain this to a journalist<br /> <br /> 53. rejected<br /> <br /> 54. rejected 14 vs 17; remarks : lower cap but also upper cap limitation, should maybe say minimally<br /> <br /> 55. rejected ;remarks: Too vague, should say public financing (with money from the state), also who would finance a bank that has gone bust anyway? ; too anecdoctical, lack of big picture.<br /> <br /> 56. accepted; remarks: the national part could be left out<br /> <br /> 57. rejected remarks: why only bankers<br /> <br /> Proposal to deal with running-out-of-time: ACCEPTED<br /> - whatever is not voted here today will be submitted on getopinionated<br /> - and will be voted on getopinionated<br /> - and will be valid as if elected on the EGA<br /> - with voting closing before the first november<br /> - only members will be able to vote: each Pirate will receive his/her membership via email, and then registrations will be closed (for security).<br /> - only proposals from the program will be voted<br /> <br /> ** has been voted yes<br /> <br /> 58. rejected; unclear: what are policticians, while they are active or allways; only banks? ... ? <br /> <br /> 59. accepted unanymously<br /> <br /> 60. rejected<br /> <br /> 61. rejected ; remarks: this would mean we have to exit the euro<br /> <br /> 62. accepted (rem: what is a dubious investment ? who defines it ?)<br /> <br /> <br /> EOEGA- End of General Assembly<br /> <br /> BIG THX TO ORGANISERS!!</div>

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<p>Sandb: Meeting notes unformatted v0.1</p> <hr /> <div>== Voting ==<br /> <br /> Introduced a third option for voting: next to <br /> * &quot;yes&quot; (green) or <br /> * &quot;no&quot; (red) <br /> we introduce <br /> * &quot;postponed&quot; (white): voted unanimously yes<br /> <br /> * Minimum of 2 votes difference, else postponed automatically<br /> * Not 50% for green, then it is not yes?<br /> <br /> Note takers:<br /> * sandb<br /> * Vincent L.<br /> * fred m.<br /> <br /> Everybody counts votes if close call.<br /> General remark: rejected does not mean it definatly rejected, <br /> <br /> Discussion on voting; do we go for classic voting and forgo the adaption?<br /> * 21 yes<br /> * 3 no<br /> * accepted<br /> <br /> 1. rejected<br /> <br /> 2.1 (french version): accepted <br /> * translation problem: radicale democratie should be directe democratie<br /> 2.2 accepted<br /> 2.3. accepted<br /> 2.4. accepted<br /> <br /> 3. rejected/postponed<br /> <br /> 4. rejected<br /> <br /> 5. rejected<br /> * 19 no<br /> * 14 yes<br /> <br /> 6. accepted<br /> <br /> 7. 23 vs 13 accepted<br /> <br /> 8. accepted (better written version of 9)<br /> <br /> 9. rejected 15 vs 24<br /> <br /> 10. accepted<br /> <br /> 11. Remark: this definition can be applied to every company accepted 21 vs 17 after recount<br /> how could we make anyone liable to use public facilities? <br /> <br /> 12. accepted<br /> <br /> 13. accepted remark: Assange is not a wistleblower, better if names were removed (voted as is, but could use an amendment)<br /> <br /> 14. accepted remark: better definition required for &quot;net neutrality&quot;. <br /> <br /> 15. accepted; remarks: it's more or less already in there: but remarks about only postal system and human rights with similar initiative.<br /> <br /> 16. rejected; remarks: factual issue in the proposal since the press can be censored, what about private data protection<br /> <br /> 17. accepted 24 vs 11; remarks: fuzzy language<br /> <br /> 18. rejected ;remarks: what is &quot;democratie radicale&quot; ? is it &quot;imposed democracy&quot; ;) We need another word than &quot;radical&quot; (2.1)<br /> <br /> 19. rejected 14 vs 24<br /> <br /> 20. rejected ;remarks: fuzzy &quot;what's being for the referendum ?&quot; how do we define referendum ?<br /> <br /> 21. postponed 18 vs 16<br /> <br /> 22. rejected ;remarks: what does that mean ? we already have justice system<br /> <br /> 23. accepted ;remarks: this is about someone who's been elected, not for candidates;<br /> <br /> 24. accepted 20 vs ? ;remarks: the proposal is too vague, too general<br /> <br /> 25. rejected; remarks what do we mean by recognize ? (aknowledge existence or legitimity ?)<br /> <br /> 26. rejected - same remark as 25.<br /> <br /> 27. accepted<br /> <br /> 28. accepted<br /> <br /> 29. accepted 25 vs ?; remarks: vague and fuzzy ? ambiguous ? what does local economy mean? does it mean protectionism? note: does not explain, also does not say protectionism<br /> <br /> 30. rejected/postponed ;remarks : what does &quot;resource&quot; means; answer from author: means &quot;resource based economy&quot; needs clarification<br /> <br /> 31. accepted 20 vs 13; remarks: what's &quot;alternative economy&quot; ? see examples<br /> <br /> 32. rejected 14 vs 18<br /> <br /> 33. rejected ;remarks: not clear on what it really means <br /> <br /> 34. rejected ;remark: it's a statement, not a program point or opinion<br /> <br /> 35. accepted; anonymous<br /> <br /> 36. rejected ;remarks : need to change EU laws for that; the first part is already in 27;<br /> <br /> 37. accepted<br /> <br /> 38. accepted<br /> <br /> 39. accepted ; remarks : universal basic income (everyone); what's the definition of basic income ? ; also remarked: &quot;factual error, labour is not an economic product&quot;<br /> <br /> 40. accepted ; remarks : minimun wage (working people only)<br /> <br /> 41. accepted<br /> <br /> 42. rejected; remarks: this is demagogy, ideology, unclear, fuzzy<br /> <br /> 43.rejected, except by Kash; remarks : implies corporate citizenship? (==a company is having same right as a citizen)<br /> <br /> 44. rejected<br /> <br /> 45. rejected (awfully stated)<br /> <br /> 46. postponed ;17 vs 15 ;remarks : european law problem; very hard to realize<br /> <br /> 47. accepted<br /> <br /> 48. rejected 10/18 remark: who's &quot;them&quot; ? Pirates or citizens ?<br /> <br /> 49. accepted<br /> <br /> 50. accepted<br /> <br /> 51. accepted (rem: should state &quot;a public audit&quot; or something like that)<br /> <br /> 52. rejected ;remarks: 1. cannot be done in only one country, 2. should explicitely read a wage/profit &quot;ratio&quot;. 3. is missing clear definition and is quite populist position; how would we explain this to a journalist<br /> <br /> 53. rejected<br /> <br /> 54. rejected 14 vs 17; remarks : lower cap but also upper cap limitation, should maybe say minimally<br /> <br /> 55. rejected ;remarks: Too vague, should say public financing (with money from the state), also who would finance a bank that has gone bust anyway? ; too anecdoctical, lack of big picture.<br /> <br /> 56. accepted; remarks: the national part could be left out<br /> <br /> 57. rejected remarks: why only bankers<br /> <br /> Proposal to deal with running-out-of-time: ACCEPTED<br /> - whatever is not voted here today will be submitted on getopinionated<br /> - and will be voted on getopinionated<br /> - and will be valid as if elected on the EGA<br /> - with voting closing before the first november<br /> - only members will be able to vote: each Pirate will receive his/her membership via email, and then registrations will be closed (for security).<br /> - only proposals from the program will be voted<br /> <br /> ** has been voted yes<br /> <br /> 58. rejected; unclear: what are policticians, while they are active or allways; only banks? ... ? <br /> <br /> 59. accepted unanymously<br /> <br /> 60. rejected<br /> <br /> 61. rejected ; remarks: this would mean we have to exit the euro<br /> <br /> 62. accepted (rem: what is a dubious investment ? who defines it ?)<br /> <br /> <br /> EOEGA- End of General Assembly<br /> <br /> BIG THX TO ORGANISERS!!</div>

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<p>Sandb: </p> <hr /> <div>= When - Quand - Wanneer =<br /> <br /> *'''Saturday 28/09/2013'''<br /> * 9h : Opening, inschrijiving, ontbijt - Ouverture, inscriptions, petit-déjeuner<br /> * 10h - 17h : GA<br /> <br /> = Where - Où - Waar =<br /> <br /> The EGA will take place in Liège, Palais des Congrès.<br /> Address : Esplanade de l'Europe 2 - 4020 LIEGE<br /> <br /> *Plan : http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=50.63082&amp;mlon=5.57435#map=17/50.63082/5.57434<br /> *Public transport :<br /> <br /> *From Liège-Guillemins train station :<br /> Bus Line 138 (direction Verviers), to the bus stop &quot;Palais des Congrès&quot;<br /> OR Bus line 17 (direction Droixhe), to the bus stop &quot;Palais des Congrès&quot;<br /> Estimated transport duration : 5 min<br /> *More info : [http://www.infotec.be infotec.be] [http://www.sncb.be sncb.be]<br /> <br /> = [[Events/EGA:2013-09/Proposals|Proposals]] =<br /> <br /> * Proposals are official once they are mailed to ega2013(AT)pirateparty(point)be. <br /> * The '''deadline''' for submitting proposals is ''August 23th 2013, 23h59 CET''. <br /> * The '''deadline''' for submitting amendments is ''September 14th 2013, 23h59 CET''. <br /> * You can find the proposals already made so far on this [[Events/EGA:2013-09/Proposals|page]].<br /> <br /> If you want to submit any statute amendment or other proposal write to ega2013(AT)pirateparty(point)be.<br /> <br /> = Meeting Notes =<br /> <br /> You can find the notes of the assembly at [[Events/EGA:2013-09/Notes]].</div>

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<p>Sandb: /* lunch break */</p> <hr /> <div>= EGA Gent 2013 =<br /> <br /> == Introduction ==<br /> <br /> Start at 11:00. Introduction speech by Sarah Van Liefferinge.<br /> <br /> == Proceedings by Jonas ==<br /> <br /> * meeting notes are taken by: Pieter, Vincent (everyone's welcome)<br /> * selecting people that count the votes; everyone counts all votes; people have been assigned;<br /> <br /> *how many people vote today: 31<br /> * Included in these 31, How many people have a delegated vote: 15<br /> <br /> Agenda:<br /> * 1st period: 11:00-12:30 Coreteam statutes<br /> * 2nd period: 14:00-15:15 Statutes+program<br /> * 3rd period: 15:30-16:45 Statutes+program<br /> * 4th period: 17:00-18:15Coreteam election<br /> * Going home: 18:30<br /> <br /> Documents distributed are online:<br /> * https://docs.google.com/document/d/1c4KwiNEPSrzrJMthaK4XG_lKilnRXJ2GThTufy7g1j8/edit<br /> <br /> == 1st period: Coreteam statutes ==<br /> <br /> === 1. About Coreteam (Statutes : Hoofdstuk II.4 Coreteam - Chapitre II.4 Coreteam) ===<br /> <br /> ==== 1.A. About Coreteam ====<br /> <br /> § 1<br /> <br /> * GENERAL REMARK: coreteam has make sure the work is done, they do not have to do the work themselves per se (delegation)<br /> * remark marr: in practice this might mean often coreteam has to do it themselves<br /> * 1: accepted<br /> <br /> § 2; Integration<br /> <br /> * 2 A: accepted<br /> * 2.B: accepted<br /> * 2 C: accepted<br /> * 2 D:<br /> ** questions on &quot;approving of crews&quot;; this part is removed from the proposition, <br /> ** Adaptation text: <br /> *** (NL) : Het coreteam is een referentie voor nieuwe crews. Ze keurt nieuwe crews goed en helpt ze <br /> *** (FR) : Servir de référence aux nouveaux équipages, approuver et aider les nouveaux équipages<br /> ** accepted (23+/14-)<br /> <br /> Discussion about changing the order on the vote for the next proposals (we are not changing the order)<br /> <br /> § 3; Treasury<br /> <br /> * 3 A: Accepted<br /> * 3 B: Accepted<br /> * 3 C: Accepted<br /> <br /> § 4; Coordination<br /> <br /> * 4 A<br /> ** Clarification requested about &quot;decision that the party has to make&quot; , confirmed to mean &quot;the coreteam just coordinates the decisions, does not make decisions&quot;.<br /> ** accepted<br /> * 4 B<br /> ** clarification: coreteam has make sure the work is done, they do not have to do the work themselves per se (delegation)<br /> ** remark marr: in practice this might mean often coreteam has to do it themselves<br /> ** accepted (+20/-17)<br /> * 4 C: accepted<br /> * 4 D: accepted<br /> <br /> § 5; Paperwork<br /> <br /> * 5 A: accepted<br /> * 5 B: accepted<br /> * 5 C<br /> ** Remark: if coreteam is legally responsible for what's published or done, then we can't let everyone take initiatives without coreteam's approbation<br /> ** Remark paul: let's just vote on logistics not publications=&gt; drop the flyers, campagne, affiches part. Keep webshop.<br /> ** Adaptation text: <br /> *** (FR) : Etre responsable de la logistique du parti et la gestion du webshop, affiches, Flyers, campagne)<br /> *** (NL) : Het coreteam is verantwoordelijk voor de logistiek van de partij en de de webshop, affiches, flyers, posters, campagne) <br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> § 6. International<br /> <br /> * 6 A<br /> ** Remark: PPI requires an &quot;official&quot; person, answer someone will then have to be appointed by or from the coreteam<br /> ** accepted <br /> <br /> § 7; Press<br /> <br /> * 7 A<br /> ** Dutch version of the text missing;<br /> ** (NL) &quot;Het zo snel mogelijk helpen en te woord staan van de pers, het opstellen en ontwikkelen van documentatie over de partij voor de pers, het stimuleren van een zo groot mogelijke media-aandacht voor de partij.&quot;<br /> ** Remark: The Press function is about someone who has the responsibility of getting things done, not about forcing decisions and/or doing all the work by yourself.<br /> ** accepted <br /> <br /> § 8; IT<br /> <br /> * 8 A<br /> **Remark: if coreteam is legally responsible for what's published or done, then we can't let everyone take initiatives without coreteam's approbation<br /> **remark paul: let's just vote on logistics not publications=&gt; drop the flyers, campagne, affiches part. Keep webshop.<br /> ** Adaptation dutch text: <br /> *** (NL) : Het onderhoud van de IT-infrastructuur en de website, de organisatie van geschikte steminfrastructuur tussen de algemene vergaderingen door, de beveiliging van de data van de partij *verzekeren*.<br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> ==== 1.B. Roles inside the Coreteam ====<br /> <br /> § 9; Integration<br /> <br /> * 9 A: rejected<br /> * 9 B: accepted<br /> <br /> § 10; Coordination<br /> <br /> * 10 A: <br /> ** Remarks on the term &quot;region&quot;, it's about communities, why not Brussels? Why not german speakers? It's a question of language and not a question of region.<br /> ** rejected<br /> * 10 B: accepted<br /> <br /> § 11; Press<br /> <br /> * 11 A: rejected<br /> * 11 B: accepted<br /> <br /> § 12; IT<br /> <br /> * 12 A: rejected (14+/21-)<br /> * 12 B: accepted<br /> <br /> § 13; Treasury<br /> <br /> * 13 A: accepted (+27/-13)<br /> * 13 B: void since a is accepted<br /> <br /> § 14; Secretariat<br /> <br /> * 14 A: accepted (+27/-13)<br /> * 14 B: void since a is accepted<br /> <br /> § 15; International<br /> <br /> * 15 A: rejected<br /> * 15 B: accepted<br /> <br /> ==== 1.C. Composition of the coreteam ====<br /> <br /> § 16.<br /> <br /> * 16<br /> ** Clarification: 3 regions are: Flanders Wallonia Brussels<br /> ** Question: what are the conditions to be allowed to represent a regio? (not answered)<br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> § 17<br /> <br /> * 17<br /> ** Clarification: no vote on A and B will mean we have no defined amount of members in the coreteam (not a big deal)<br /> ** Adaptation text: <br /> *** FR : La Coreteam est composée de Maximum<br /> *** NL : Het coreteam bestaat uit maximum<br /> **17 A: rejected (+16/-24)<br /> **17 B: rejected<br /> <br /> § 18<br /> <br /> * 18<br /> ** Proposal to vote 18 and 19 and 20 togegher since only all at the same time make sense (not accepted)<br /> ** Adaptation text: maximum 18 months, and not coreteam but members of the coreteam<br /> *** FR : *Un membre de* la Coreteam est élue pour une période *maximale* de 18 mois<br /> *** NL : *Een lid van* het coreteam is verkozen voor een periode van *maximum* 18 maanden<br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> § 19<br /> <br /> *19<br /> ** Question to be asked by Paul after luch: translation is not accurate: <br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> § 20<br /> <br /> remark: &quot;demissione&quot; en francais n'est pas le mot correct =&gt; membre sortant, en fin de mandat<br /> * 20 A: rejected<br /> * 20 B: rejected<br /> <br /> § 21<br /> <br /> * 21: accepted<br /> <br /> § 22<br /> <br /> * 22: accepted<br /> <br /> == lunch break ==<br /> <br /> Sandwitch sales:<br /> &lt;pre&gt;<br /> 2.00000 x 50.00000<br /> 7.00000 x 2.00000<br /> 11.00000 x 1.00000<br /> 3.00000 x 0.50000<br /> 10.00000 x 0.20000<br /> 5.00000 x 0.10000<br /> ------------------------<br /> Total = 129<br /> &lt;/pre&gt;<br /> <br /> == presentation of projects of members ==<br /> <br /> === presentation squads by vincent &amp; paul ===<br /> <br /> * many squads are sleeping (not active)<br /> * for interested people to activate squads, send mail to vincent or paul<br /> ** e.g. the canabis squad is very chill right now.... :-)<br /> * if you want it, do it<br /> <br /> === get opinionated by Jonas ===<br /> <br /> * Jonas, a friend and Pieter (a little bit) made an implementation of a liquid democray application<br /> * Bit like liquid feedback<br /> * Tailored for managing the statutes and program for the pirate party<br /> <br /> Site: http://opinion.pirateparty.be<br /> <br /> * There is a proposal to vote on it later today.<br /> <br /> == 2nd period: Statutes+program ==<br /> <br /> § 19 revisited<br /> <br /> * 19<br /> ** Question on difference dutch and french version: &quot;verkiest&quot; (elects) vs &quot;renouvellee&quot; (renews)<br /> ** Also remark about the dutch version: says that the &quot;coreteam elects&quot;, while should be &quot;members of the coreteam are elected&quot;<br /> ** Adaptation text:<br /> *** (NL) Een derde van de leden van het coreteam wordt elke zes maanden opnieuw verkozen.<br /> *** (FR) La Corteam est re-elu tous les six mois d'un tiers de ses members..<br /> <br /> ** We will deal with this at a later time.<br /> <br /> === VARIA ===<br /> <br /> ==== Crews and squads ====<br /> <br /> § 23<br /> <br /> *23: accepted<br /> <br /> § 24<br /> <br /> *24: rejected<br /> <br /> ==== Various ====<br /> <br /> § 25.<br /> <br /> *25<br /> ** discussion on what and why<br /> ** rejected<br /> <br /> § 26<br /> <br /> *26<br /> ** Remark: mistake in the French version: should be &quot;tous les accords internationaux&quot; (all international agreements) iso &quot;rendez-vous&quot; (meeting)<br /> ** Text adapted:<br /> *** (FR) Tous les accords internationaux pris par le Parti Pirate ne sont valables qu'après ratification par l'Assemblée générale. Cela comprend les relations avec le PPI et PPEU.<br /> *** (NL) Alle internationale afspraken die de Piratenpartij aangaat zijn pas geldig na ratificatie op een Algemene vergadering. Dit bevat onder meer de relaties met PPI en PPEU.<br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> ==== Party council / The political forum / Permanent meeting ====<br /> <br /> * General remarks/questions:<br /> ** '''Q:''' What about not everyone having access to the internet? '''A:''' It's up to us to provide access to communication tools to our members.<br /> ** '''Q:''' Is this ment to replace general assembly (point 30)? '''A:''' Point 31 states that the GA has to validate the decisions made by this tool.<br /> <br /> § 27.<br /> <br /> * 27<br /> ** Questions about bindingness, referrals to 31. if approved, propositions need to be approved also on ga before they become effective.<br /> ** What about people with no access to computers: solution is to provide access, not to stop getopinionated<br /> ** Text adapted:<br /> *** (NL) : ... vergadert permanent online en maakt democratische voorstellen via ...<br /> *** (FR) : se réunit en permanence en ligne et fait des proposition démocratiques via ...<br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> <br /> § 28<br /> <br /> * 28 A: rejected<br /> * 28 C:rejected<br /> * 28 C: difference less than three, post-poned till next general assembly<br /> <br /> § 29<br /> <br /> * 29: accepted<br /> <br /> § 30<br /> <br /> * 30 A<br /> ** orginal version: rejected<br /> ** Text adapted:<br /> *** (FR) proposer des modifications apportées au programme du parti.<br /> *** (NL) wijzigingen voorstellen voor het programma van de partij.<br /> ** modified version: accepted<br /> <br /> * 30 B<br /> ** Original version: rejected<br /> ** Text adapted:<br /> *** (FR) faire des propositions sur l'idéologie du parti.<br /> *** (NL) voorstellen van ideologische partijstandpunten<br /> ** modified version: accepted<br /> <br /> § 31<br /> <br /> * No longer applicable, not voted<br /> <br /> § 32<br /> <br /> * No longer applicable, not voted<br /> <br /> § 33<br /> <br /> * 33: accepted<br /> <br /> § 34<br /> <br /> * 34: accepted<br /> <br /> § 35<br /> <br /> * 35: rejected<br /> <br /> § 36<br /> <br /> * 36: rejected<br /> <br /> § 37<br /> <br /> * 37: rejected<br /> <br /> == Not-statutory propositions ==<br /> <br /> === Creation of a program for the pirate party ===<br /> <br /> ''Remark: non statutory means not part of the statutes (non-statutary), but can be referred to as decided on the general assembly of the pirate party.''<br /> <br /> § 38.<br /> <br /> *38: accepted<br /> <br /> § 39.<br /> <br /> *39: rejected<br /> <br /> § 40.<br /> <br /> *40: too close to call, postponed<br /> <br /> § 41.<br /> <br /> *41:accepted<br /> <br /> === Programma's themes ===<br /> <br /> § 42. Proposition of themes: <br /> * only suggestions<br /> * voting on this means that the people on the general assembly think this is a good list of things to build a program around<br /> * based on themes of the ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union)<br /> * Q: Add clarification sentence on top that explains what the set of points means, context?<br /> * Q: Skip to 43? voted. accepted. we skip to 43.<br /> * (point 42 was rejected after the vote for 43)<br /> <br /> === Manifest for the pirateparty EU ===<br /> <br /> § 43.<br /> <br /> * 43<br /> ** Manifesto for the Pirate Party EU (as decided in Kiev)<br /> ** If we accept this, the text will be part of our program, and we will be able to join the PPEU.<br /> ** accepted!<br /> <br /> § 42 (re-vote) <br /> <br /> * 42: rejected<br /> <br /> == Coreteam election ==<br /> <br /> * Information about the candidates online available at http://pirateparty.be/candidates-coreteam.<br /> * Votes are secret, do not put your name on the form! <br /> <br /> * How many eligible votes do we have: <br /> ** Members with only one vote: 20<br /> ** Members with one vote and one delegate vote: 14<br /> ** In total, we have 48 eligible votes<br /> <br /> === Presentations ===<br /> <br /> * 7 minutes max per person, <br /> * every candidate of the coreteam explains who he is and why he wants to join the coreteam. Questions after each presentation.<br /> <br /> ==== Kash ====<br /> <br /> * how access to European Parliament? Through the job of his wife<br /> * favorite topic? social entrepreneurship<br /> * Why and how in MR? In the Young MR, to see how politics work. Was in charge of communication<br /> * Where would you like to see the party in 12 months? (just after the elections) at least one person elected, that should be our target. Our party should be a link between citizens and Politics<br /> * Any links with the French pirates? not really, met a few guys<br /> <br /> ==== Emmanuel ====<br /> <br /> * Where would you like to see the party in 12 months and how will you get there? the goal should be to have people elected<br /> * Answer: we need someone elected<br /> * Do you have experience in participating in a board<br /> * (sorry I missed something here...)<br /> * Your core topic? Democracy (liquid) and transparency<br /> <br /> ==== Patrick ====<br /> <br /> * Interested in the way technology can allow people to make better decisions together<br /> * (Experience in another party? yes, PS. Left it now)<br /> * Is Installé your real name ? :-) yes<br /> * Where would you like to see the party in 12 months and how will you get there? 1 elected person or perhaps more. Real charge to help him. <br /> * Do you have time? it's a question of organisation. <br /> * What would you see yourself do in the coreteam? Mainly in the back office, for a project (not regular, at fixed times)<br /> * What is your core topic? Transparency and systems. Nothing is more practical than a good theory<br /> <br /> ==== Axel ====<br /> <br /> * (still discussing his candidature - issue of time)<br /> * removes his candidature right now<br /> * experience at EU Parliament level on communication with Asia<br /> * will stay in full support when needed to professionalise the management of the party, will come to meetings, but in a more informal way, giving advice<br /> <br /> ==== Vincent ====<br /> <br /> * Longer presentation online: http://wiki.pirateparty.be/index.php/Back-up_squad<br /> * (I do not have so much time to give but I will give it - need to put the right tools on the right needs)<br /> * Have you been in a party before? no<br /> * Goal for elections? We are not the only citizens willing to go to politics. we should look for alliance, to avoid dilute votes. Namur crew is in contact with www.constituante.be . If we want to be effective we should not refuse alliances. Elected candidates will need strong support. If no one elected, we should watch what will go on and act still.<br /> * Do you want a cartel with other parties? I do not want a cartel. It is not my goal to go for an alliance. But if someone comes and makes a proposal we should consider it carefully and not reject it directly<br /> * Will you think about political strategy in the frame of the coreteam then? My goal is not to put a direction. I will not push this idea but I am open for it.<br /> * Have you done already some stuff in the coreteam? see link above listing his pirate background. In coreteam: answering emails of new comers, made newsletters... tried to bring some structure, procedures<br /> <br /> ==== Marouan ====<br /> <br /> * (I do not want to be in the coreteam but the job has to be done)<br /> * I will try to fix problems if there are<br /> * Where would you like to see the party in 12 months and how will you get there? I really don't know. 2014 will be an important moment.<br /> * Any experience in another party? 4 years on cdH. Worked for 2 years for Milquet when she was echevin/schepen for Culture. <br /> * What is your contribution you are most proud of as member of the coreteam? I don't know... ...<br /> * (issue with pad sorry)<br /> <br /> ==== Koen ====<br /> <br /> * never been in another party<br /> * Goal around elections: push our opinions, and get elected<br /> * what function in the coreteam would you like to take? would not focus on a specific function, we should just share the load, activate the people<br /> <br /> ==== Tom ====<br /> <br /> * (no political experience)<br /> * see the party rather as a movement. Should not fall in a hole if we do not have someone elected<br /> * where in 12 months? same as doing now. we are here to inform the people.<br /> * your core topic, nearest to your heart? patents<br /> * are you ok that we are running for elections then? sure we are doing politics. but if we focus too much on elections we will loose every one after the elections.<br /> * what's the story about the website? have been through a burn out in fact, feeling like talking to a wall (I guess I am not the only one :-)) I have to learn how to do with it<br /> <br /> ==== Paul ====<br /> <br /> * Motivations: Lot of groups go in the right direction, they'll need political support. Public money is wasted an we need to do something about it.<br /> * Core topics: Finance<br /> * (not in any other party in the past)<br /> * What do you think about the boycott of the worldcup? I agree with that ......<br /> <br /> ==== Sarah ====<br /> <br /> * (one of my main topics: education)<br /> * what do you like-dislike about the pirate party? like freedom, space, liberty, individuals (very different), bad thing is mailing list (leave your ego at home, don't put it on the mailing list)<br /> <br /> ==== Jonas ====<br /> <br /> * (in case of doubt, just vote FOR the people, we need people, a larger core team than over the past few months)<br /> * do what? treasury, open bank account, build a database, ... do what we are lacking now as a pirate party. No representation anymore. I love answering emails<br /> * where do you see the party in one year? I think we have a chance, a reasonable chance. At least we should take the chance. No I want to proffesionnalise the party more.<br /> <br /> === Voting - Counting ===<br /> <br /> * Need 6 people to count the votes, by pairs of two.<br /> * Each candidate needs &gt; 25 votes to be in.<br /> * Vote is secret. You can vote for all candidates if you want.<br /> <br /> * Results: 51 papers counted (not 48... but assume good faith...)<br /> <br /> * Final result:<br /> ** Sarah and Jonas: 50<br /> ** Kash: 46<br /> ** Paul: 45<br /> ** Patrick and Emmanuel: 43<br /> ** Vincent: 42<br /> ** Tom: 41<br /> ** Koen: 40<br /> ** Marouan: 37<br /> <br /> * All candidates are elected --&gt; we have a coreteam of 10 people<br /> * Question: is this classification going to have a consequence on how it is organised? This will be up to them, this had not been defined beforehand.<br /> <br /> Going home... with some merchandising<br /> <br /> Bye !</div>

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<p>Sandb: /* Various */</p> <hr /> <div>= EGA Gent 2013 =<br /> <br /> == Introduction ==<br /> <br /> Start at 11:00. Introduction speech by Sarah Van Liefferinge.<br /> <br /> == Proceedings by Jonas ==<br /> <br /> * meeting notes are taken by: Pieter, Vincent (everyone's welcome)<br /> * selecting people that count the votes; everyone counts all votes; people have been assigned;<br /> <br /> *how many people vote today: 31<br /> * Included in these 31, How many people have a delegated vote: 15<br /> <br /> Agenda:<br /> * 1st period: 11:00-12:30 Coreteam statutes<br /> * 2nd period: 14:00-15:15 Statutes+program<br /> * 3rd period: 15:30-16:45 Statutes+program<br /> * 4th period: 17:00-18:15Coreteam election<br /> * Going home: 18:30<br /> <br /> Documents distributed are online:<br /> * https://docs.google.com/document/d/1c4KwiNEPSrzrJMthaK4XG_lKilnRXJ2GThTufy7g1j8/edit<br /> <br /> == 1st period: Coreteam statutes ==<br /> <br /> === 1. About Coreteam (Statutes : Hoofdstuk II.4 Coreteam - Chapitre II.4 Coreteam) ===<br /> <br /> ==== 1.A. About Coreteam ====<br /> <br /> § 1<br /> <br /> * GENERAL REMARK: coreteam has make sure the work is done, they do not have to do the work themselves per se (delegation)<br /> * remark marr: in practice this might mean often coreteam has to do it themselves<br /> * 1: accepted<br /> <br /> § 2; Integration<br /> <br /> * 2 A: accepted<br /> * 2.B: accepted<br /> * 2 C: accepted<br /> * 2 D:<br /> ** questions on &quot;approving of crews&quot;; this part is removed from the proposition, <br /> ** Adaptation text: <br /> *** (NL) : Het coreteam is een referentie voor nieuwe crews. Ze keurt nieuwe crews goed en helpt ze <br /> *** (FR) : Servir de référence aux nouveaux équipages, approuver et aider les nouveaux équipages<br /> ** accepted (23+/14-)<br /> <br /> Discussion about changing the order on the vote for the next proposals (we are not changing the order)<br /> <br /> § 3; Treasury<br /> <br /> * 3 A: Accepted<br /> * 3 B: Accepted<br /> * 3 C: Accepted<br /> <br /> § 4; Coordination<br /> <br /> * 4 A<br /> ** Clarification requested about &quot;decision that the party has to make&quot; , confirmed to mean &quot;the coreteam just coordinates the decisions, does not make decisions&quot;.<br /> ** accepted<br /> * 4 B<br /> ** clarification: coreteam has make sure the work is done, they do not have to do the work themselves per se (delegation)<br /> ** remark marr: in practice this might mean often coreteam has to do it themselves<br /> ** accepted (+20/-17)<br /> * 4 C: accepted<br /> * 4 D: accepted<br /> <br /> § 5; Paperwork<br /> <br /> * 5 A: accepted<br /> * 5 B: accepted<br /> * 5 C<br /> ** Remark: if coreteam is legally responsible for what's published or done, then we can't let everyone take initiatives without coreteam's approbation<br /> ** Remark paul: let's just vote on logistics not publications=&gt; drop the flyers, campagne, affiches part. Keep webshop.<br /> ** Adaptation text: <br /> *** (FR) : Etre responsable de la logistique du parti et la gestion du webshop, affiches, Flyers, campagne)<br /> *** (NL) : Het coreteam is verantwoordelijk voor de logistiek van de partij en de de webshop, affiches, flyers, posters, campagne) <br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> § 6. International<br /> <br /> * 6 A<br /> ** Remark: PPI requires an &quot;official&quot; person, answer someone will then have to be appointed by or from the coreteam<br /> ** accepted <br /> <br /> § 7; Press<br /> <br /> * 7 A<br /> ** Dutch version of the text missing;<br /> ** (NL) &quot;Het zo snel mogelijk helpen en te woord staan van de pers, het opstellen en ontwikkelen van documentatie over de partij voor de pers, het stimuleren van een zo groot mogelijke media-aandacht voor de partij.&quot;<br /> ** Remark: The Press function is about someone who has the responsibility of getting things done, not about forcing decisions and/or doing all the work by yourself.<br /> ** accepted <br /> <br /> § 8; IT<br /> <br /> * 8 A<br /> **Remark: if coreteam is legally responsible for what's published or done, then we can't let everyone take initiatives without coreteam's approbation<br /> **remark paul: let's just vote on logistics not publications=&gt; drop the flyers, campagne, affiches part. Keep webshop.<br /> ** Adaptation dutch text: <br /> *** (NL) : Het onderhoud van de IT-infrastructuur en de website, de organisatie van geschikte steminfrastructuur tussen de algemene vergaderingen door, de beveiliging van de data van de partij *verzekeren*.<br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> ==== 1.B. Roles inside the Coreteam ====<br /> <br /> § 9; Integration<br /> <br /> * 9 A: rejected<br /> * 9 B: accepted<br /> <br /> § 10; Coordination<br /> <br /> * 10 A: <br /> ** Remarks on the term &quot;region&quot;, it's about communities, why not Brussels? Why not german speakers? It's a question of language and not a question of region.<br /> ** rejected<br /> * 10 B: accepted<br /> <br /> § 11; Press<br /> <br /> * 11 A: rejected<br /> * 11 B: accepted<br /> <br /> § 12; IT<br /> <br /> * 12 A: rejected (14+/21-)<br /> * 12 B: accepted<br /> <br /> § 13; Treasury<br /> <br /> * 13 A: accepted (+27/-13)<br /> * 13 B: void since a is accepted<br /> <br /> § 14; Secretariat<br /> <br /> * 14 A: accepted (+27/-13)<br /> * 14 B: void since a is accepted<br /> <br /> § 15; International<br /> <br /> * 15 A: rejected<br /> * 15 B: accepted<br /> <br /> ==== 1.C. Composition of the coreteam ====<br /> <br /> § 16.<br /> <br /> * 16<br /> ** Clarification: 3 regions are: Flanders Wallonia Brussels<br /> ** Question: what are the conditions to be allowed to represent a regio? (not answered)<br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> § 17<br /> <br /> * 17<br /> ** Clarification: no vote on A and B will mean we have no defined amount of members in the coreteam (not a big deal)<br /> ** Adaptation text: <br /> *** FR : La Coreteam est composée de Maximum<br /> *** NL : Het coreteam bestaat uit maximum<br /> **17 A: rejected (+16/-24)<br /> **17 B: rejected<br /> <br /> § 18<br /> <br /> * 18<br /> ** Proposal to vote 18 and 19 and 20 togegher since only all at the same time make sense (not accepted)<br /> ** Adaptation text: maximum 18 months, and not coreteam but members of the coreteam<br /> *** FR : *Un membre de* la Coreteam est élue pour une période *maximale* de 18 mois<br /> *** NL : *Een lid van* het coreteam is verkozen voor een periode van *maximum* 18 maanden<br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> § 19<br /> <br /> *19<br /> ** Question to be asked by Paul after luch: translation is not accurate: <br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> § 20<br /> <br /> remark: &quot;demissione&quot; en francais n'est pas le mot correct =&gt; membre sortant, en fin de mandat<br /> * 20 A: rejected<br /> * 20 B: rejected<br /> <br /> § 21<br /> <br /> * 21: accepted<br /> <br /> § 22<br /> <br /> * 22: accepted<br /> <br /> == lunch break ==<br /> <br /> Sandwitch sales:<br /> <br /> // count //coupure<br /> cash =<br /> <br /> 2.00000 50.00000<br /> 7.00000 2.00000<br /> 11.00000 1.00000<br /> 3.00000 0.50000<br /> 10.00000 0.20000<br /> 5.00000 0.10000<br /> <br /> octave:15&gt; sum(cash(:,1).*cash(:,2))<br /> ans = 129<br /> <br /> == presentation of projects of members ==<br /> <br /> === presentation squads by vincent &amp; paul ===<br /> <br /> * many squads are sleeping (not active)<br /> * for interested people to activate squads, send mail to vincent or paul<br /> ** e.g. the canabis squad is very chill right now.... :-)<br /> * if you want it, do it<br /> <br /> === get opinionated by Jonas ===<br /> <br /> * Jonas, a friend and Pieter (a little bit) made an implementation of a liquid democray application<br /> * Bit like liquid feedback<br /> * Tailored for managing the statutes and program for the pirate party<br /> <br /> Site: http://opinion.pirateparty.be<br /> <br /> * There is a proposal to vote on it later today.<br /> <br /> == 2nd period: Statutes+program ==<br /> <br /> § 19 revisited<br /> <br /> * 19<br /> ** Question on difference dutch and french version: &quot;verkiest&quot; (elects) vs &quot;renouvellee&quot; (renews)<br /> ** Also remark about the dutch version: says that the &quot;coreteam elects&quot;, while should be &quot;members of the coreteam are elected&quot;<br /> ** Adaptation text:<br /> *** (NL) Een derde van de leden van het coreteam wordt elke zes maanden opnieuw verkozen.<br /> *** (FR) La Corteam est re-elu tous les six mois d'un tiers de ses members..<br /> <br /> ** We will deal with this at a later time.<br /> <br /> === VARIA ===<br /> <br /> ==== Crews and squads ====<br /> <br /> § 23<br /> <br /> *23: accepted<br /> <br /> § 24<br /> <br /> *24: rejected<br /> <br /> ==== Various ====<br /> <br /> § 25.<br /> <br /> *25<br /> ** discussion on what and why<br /> ** rejected<br /> <br /> § 26<br /> <br /> *26<br /> ** Remark: mistake in the French version: should be &quot;tous les accords internationaux&quot; (all international agreements) iso &quot;rendez-vous&quot; (meeting)<br /> ** Text adapted:<br /> *** (FR) Tous les accords internationaux pris par le Parti Pirate ne sont valables qu'après ratification par l'Assemblée générale. Cela comprend les relations avec le PPI et PPEU.<br /> *** (NL) Alle internationale afspraken die de Piratenpartij aangaat zijn pas geldig na ratificatie op een Algemene vergadering. Dit bevat onder meer de relaties met PPI en PPEU.<br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> ==== Party council / The political forum / Permanent meeting ====<br /> <br /> * General remarks/questions:<br /> ** '''Q:''' What about not everyone having access to the internet? '''A:''' It's up to us to provide access to communication tools to our members.<br /> ** '''Q:''' Is this ment to replace general assembly (point 30)? '''A:''' Point 31 states that the GA has to validate the decisions made by this tool.<br /> <br /> § 27.<br /> <br /> * 27<br /> ** Questions about bindingness, referrals to 31. if approved, propositions need to be approved also on ga before they become effective.<br /> ** What about people with no access to computers: solution is to provide access, not to stop getopinionated<br /> ** Text adapted:<br /> *** (NL) : ... vergadert permanent online en maakt democratische voorstellen via ...<br /> *** (FR) : se réunit en permanence en ligne et fait des proposition démocratiques via ...<br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> <br /> § 28<br /> <br /> * 28 A: rejected<br /> * 28 C:rejected<br /> * 28 C: difference less than three, post-poned till next general assembly<br /> <br /> § 29<br /> <br /> * 29: accepted<br /> <br /> § 30<br /> <br /> * 30 A<br /> ** orginal version: rejected<br /> ** Text adapted:<br /> *** (FR) proposer des modifications apportées au programme du parti.<br /> *** (NL) wijzigingen voorstellen voor het programma van de partij.<br /> ** modified version: accepted<br /> <br /> * 30 B<br /> ** Original version: rejected<br /> ** Text adapted:<br /> *** (FR) faire des propositions sur l'idéologie du parti.<br /> *** (NL) voorstellen van ideologische partijstandpunten<br /> ** modified version: accepted<br /> <br /> § 31<br /> <br /> * No longer applicable, not voted<br /> <br /> § 32<br /> <br /> * No longer applicable, not voted<br /> <br /> § 33<br /> <br /> * 33: accepted<br /> <br /> § 34<br /> <br /> * 34: accepted<br /> <br /> § 35<br /> <br /> * 35: rejected<br /> <br /> § 36<br /> <br /> * 36: rejected<br /> <br /> § 37<br /> <br /> * 37: rejected<br /> <br /> == Not-statutory propositions ==<br /> <br /> === Creation of a program for the pirate party ===<br /> <br /> ''Remark: non statutory means not part of the statutes (non-statutary), but can be referred to as decided on the general assembly of the pirate party.''<br /> <br /> § 38.<br /> <br /> *38: accepted<br /> <br /> § 39.<br /> <br /> *39: rejected<br /> <br /> § 40.<br /> <br /> *40: too close to call, postponed<br /> <br /> § 41.<br /> <br /> *41:accepted<br /> <br /> === Programma's themes ===<br /> <br /> § 42. Proposition of themes: <br /> * only suggestions<br /> * voting on this means that the people on the general assembly think this is a good list of things to build a program around<br /> * based on themes of the ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union)<br /> * Q: Add clarification sentence on top that explains what the set of points means, context?<br /> * Q: Skip to 43? voted. accepted. we skip to 43.<br /> * (point 42 was rejected after the vote for 43)<br /> <br /> === Manifest for the pirateparty EU ===<br /> <br /> § 43.<br /> <br /> * 43<br /> ** Manifesto for the Pirate Party EU (as decided in Kiev)<br /> ** If we accept this, the text will be part of our program, and we will be able to join the PPEU.<br /> ** accepted!<br /> <br /> § 42 (re-vote) <br /> <br /> * 42: rejected<br /> <br /> == Coreteam election ==<br /> <br /> * Information about the candidates online available at http://pirateparty.be/candidates-coreteam.<br /> * Votes are secret, do not put your name on the form! <br /> <br /> * How many eligible votes do we have: <br /> ** Members with only one vote: 20<br /> ** Members with one vote and one delegate vote: 14<br /> ** In total, we have 48 eligible votes<br /> <br /> === Presentations ===<br /> <br /> * 7 minutes max per person, <br /> * every candidate of the coreteam explains who he is and why he wants to join the coreteam. Questions after each presentation.<br /> <br /> ==== Kash ====<br /> <br /> * how access to European Parliament? Through the job of his wife<br /> * favorite topic? social entrepreneurship<br /> * Why and how in MR? In the Young MR, to see how politics work. Was in charge of communication<br /> * Where would you like to see the party in 12 months? (just after the elections) at least one person elected, that should be our target. Our party should be a link between citizens and Politics<br /> * Any links with the French pirates? not really, met a few guys<br /> <br /> ==== Emmanuel ====<br /> <br /> * Where would you like to see the party in 12 months and how will you get there? the goal should be to have people elected<br /> * Answer: we need someone elected<br /> * Do you have experience in participating in a board<br /> * (sorry I missed something here...)<br /> * Your core topic? Democracy (liquid) and transparency<br /> <br /> ==== Patrick ====<br /> <br /> * Interested in the way technology can allow people to make better decisions together<br /> * (Experience in another party? yes, PS. Left it now)<br /> * Is Installé your real name ? :-) yes<br /> * Where would you like to see the party in 12 months and how will you get there? 1 elected person or perhaps more. Real charge to help him. <br /> * Do you have time? it's a question of organisation. <br /> * What would you see yourself do in the coreteam? Mainly in the back office, for a project (not regular, at fixed times)<br /> * What is your core topic? Transparency and systems. Nothing is more practical than a good theory<br /> <br /> ==== Axel ====<br /> <br /> * (still discussing his candidature - issue of time)<br /> * removes his candidature right now<br /> * experience at EU Parliament level on communication with Asia<br /> * will stay in full support when needed to professionalise the management of the party, will come to meetings, but in a more informal way, giving advice<br /> <br /> ==== Vincent ====<br /> <br /> * Longer presentation online: http://wiki.pirateparty.be/index.php/Back-up_squad<br /> * (I do not have so much time to give but I will give it - need to put the right tools on the right needs)<br /> * Have you been in a party before? no<br /> * Goal for elections? We are not the only citizens willing to go to politics. we should look for alliance, to avoid dilute votes. Namur crew is in contact with www.constituante.be . If we want to be effective we should not refuse alliances. Elected candidates will need strong support. If no one elected, we should watch what will go on and act still.<br /> * Do you want a cartel with other parties? I do not want a cartel. It is not my goal to go for an alliance. But if someone comes and makes a proposal we should consider it carefully and not reject it directly<br /> * Will you think about political strategy in the frame of the coreteam then? My goal is not to put a direction. I will not push this idea but I am open for it.<br /> * Have you done already some stuff in the coreteam? see link above listing his pirate background. In coreteam: answering emails of new comers, made newsletters... tried to bring some structure, procedures<br /> <br /> ==== Marouan ====<br /> <br /> * (I do not want to be in the coreteam but the job has to be done)<br /> * I will try to fix problems if there are<br /> * Where would you like to see the party in 12 months and how will you get there? I really don't know. 2014 will be an important moment.<br /> * Any experience in another party? 4 years on cdH. Worked for 2 years for Milquet when she was echevin/schepen for Culture. <br /> * What is your contribution you are most proud of as member of the coreteam? I don't know... ...<br /> * (issue with pad sorry)<br /> <br /> ==== Koen ====<br /> <br /> * never been in another party<br /> * Goal around elections: push our opinions, and get elected<br /> * what function in the coreteam would you like to take? would not focus on a specific function, we should just share the load, activate the people<br /> <br /> ==== Tom ====<br /> <br /> * (no political experience)<br /> * see the party rather as a movement. Should not fall in a hole if we do not have someone elected<br /> * where in 12 months? same as doing now. we are here to inform the people.<br /> * your core topic, nearest to your heart? patents<br /> * are you ok that we are running for elections then? sure we are doing politics. but if we focus too much on elections we will loose every one after the elections.<br /> * what's the story about the website? have been through a burn out in fact, feeling like talking to a wall (I guess I am not the only one :-)) I have to learn how to do with it<br /> <br /> ==== Paul ====<br /> <br /> * Motivations: Lot of groups go in the right direction, they'll need political support. Public money is wasted an we need to do something about it.<br /> * Core topics: Finance<br /> * (not in any other party in the past)<br /> * What do you think about the boycott of the worldcup? I agree with that ......<br /> <br /> ==== Sarah ====<br /> <br /> * (one of my main topics: education)<br /> * what do you like-dislike about the pirate party? like freedom, space, liberty, individuals (very different), bad thing is mailing list (leave your ego at home, don't put it on the mailing list)<br /> <br /> ==== Jonas ====<br /> <br /> * (in case of doubt, just vote FOR the people, we need people, a larger core team than over the past few months)<br /> * do what? treasury, open bank account, build a database, ... do what we are lacking now as a pirate party. No representation anymore. I love answering emails<br /> * where do you see the party in one year? I think we have a chance, a reasonable chance. At least we should take the chance. No I want to proffesionnalise the party more.<br /> <br /> === Voting - Counting ===<br /> <br /> * Need 6 people to count the votes, by pairs of two.<br /> * Each candidate needs &gt; 25 votes to be in.<br /> * Vote is secret. You can vote for all candidates if you want.<br /> <br /> * Results: 51 papers counted (not 48... but assume good faith...)<br /> <br /> * Final result:<br /> ** Sarah and Jonas: 50<br /> ** Kash: 46<br /> ** Paul: 45<br /> ** Patrick and Emmanuel: 43<br /> ** Vincent: 42<br /> ** Tom: 41<br /> ** Koen: 40<br /> ** Marouan: 37<br /> <br /> * All candidates are elected --&gt; we have a coreteam of 10 people<br /> * Question: is this classification going to have a consequence on how it is organised? This will be up to them, this had not been defined beforehand.<br /> <br /> Going home... with some merchandising<br /> <br /> Bye !</div>

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<p>Sandb: correction point 26</p> <hr /> <div>= EGA Gent 2013 =<br /> <br /> == Introduction ==<br /> <br /> Start at 11:00. Introduction speech by Sarah Van Liefferinge.<br /> <br /> == Proceedings by Jonas ==<br /> <br /> * meeting notes are taken by: Pieter, Vincent (everyone's welcome)<br /> * selecting people that count the votes; everyone counts all votes; people have been assigned;<br /> <br /> *how many people vote today: 31<br /> * Included in these 31, How many people have a delegated vote: 15<br /> <br /> Agenda:<br /> * 1st period: 11:00-12:30 Coreteam statutes<br /> * 2nd period: 14:00-15:15 Statutes+program<br /> * 3rd period: 15:30-16:45 Statutes+program<br /> * 4th period: 17:00-18:15Coreteam election<br /> * Going home: 18:30<br /> <br /> Documents distributed are online:<br /> * https://docs.google.com/document/d/1c4KwiNEPSrzrJMthaK4XG_lKilnRXJ2GThTufy7g1j8/edit<br /> <br /> == 1st period: Coreteam statutes ==<br /> <br /> === 1. About Coreteam (Statutes : Hoofdstuk II.4 Coreteam - Chapitre II.4 Coreteam) ===<br /> <br /> ==== 1.A. About Coreteam ====<br /> <br /> § 1<br /> <br /> * GENERAL REMARK: coreteam has make sure the work is done, they do not have to do the work themselves per se (delegation)<br /> * remark marr: in practice this might mean often coreteam has to do it themselves<br /> * 1: accepted<br /> <br /> § 2; Integration<br /> <br /> * 2 A: accepted<br /> * 2.B: accepted<br /> * 2 C: accepted<br /> * 2 D:<br /> ** questions on &quot;approving of crews&quot;; this part is removed from the proposition, <br /> ** Adaptation text: <br /> *** (NL) : Het coreteam is een referentie voor nieuwe crews. Ze keurt nieuwe crews goed en helpt ze <br /> *** (FR) : Servir de référence aux nouveaux équipages, approuver et aider les nouveaux équipages<br /> ** accepted (23+/14-)<br /> <br /> Discussion about changing the order on the vote for the next proposals (we are not changing the order)<br /> <br /> § 3; Treasury<br /> <br /> * 3 A: Accepted<br /> * 3 B: Accepted<br /> * 3 C: Accepted<br /> <br /> § 4; Coordination<br /> <br /> * 4 A<br /> ** Clarification requested about &quot;decision that the party has to make&quot; , confirmed to mean &quot;the coreteam just coordinates the decisions, does not make decisions&quot;.<br /> ** accepted<br /> * 4 B<br /> ** clarification: coreteam has make sure the work is done, they do not have to do the work themselves per se (delegation)<br /> ** remark marr: in practice this might mean often coreteam has to do it themselves<br /> ** accepted (+20/-17)<br /> * 4 C: accepted<br /> * 4 D: accepted<br /> <br /> § 5; Paperwork<br /> <br /> * 5 A: accepted<br /> * 5 B: accepted<br /> * 5 C<br /> ** Remark: if coreteam is legally responsible for what's published or done, then we can't let everyone take initiatives without coreteam's approbation<br /> ** Remark paul: let's just vote on logistics not publications=&gt; drop the flyers, campagne, affiches part. Keep webshop.<br /> ** Adaptation text: <br /> *** (FR) : Etre responsable de la logistique du parti et la gestion du webshop, affiches, Flyers, campagne)<br /> *** (NL) : Het coreteam is verantwoordelijk voor de logistiek van de partij en de de webshop, affiches, flyers, posters, campagne) <br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> § 6. International<br /> <br /> * 6 A<br /> ** Remark: PPI requires an &quot;official&quot; person, answer someone will then have to be appointed by or from the coreteam<br /> ** accepted <br /> <br /> § 7; Press<br /> <br /> * 7 A<br /> ** Dutch version of the text missing;<br /> ** (NL) &quot;Het zo snel mogelijk helpen en te woord staan van de pers, het opstellen en ontwikkelen van documentatie over de partij voor de pers, het stimuleren van een zo groot mogelijke media-aandacht voor de partij.&quot;<br /> ** Remark: The Press function is about someone who has the responsibility of getting things done, not about forcing decisions and/or doing all the work by yourself.<br /> ** accepted <br /> <br /> § 8; IT<br /> <br /> * 8 A<br /> **Remark: if coreteam is legally responsible for what's published or done, then we can't let everyone take initiatives without coreteam's approbation<br /> **remark paul: let's just vote on logistics not publications=&gt; drop the flyers, campagne, affiches part. Keep webshop.<br /> ** Adaptation dutch text: <br /> *** (NL) : Het onderhoud van de IT-infrastructuur en de website, de organisatie van geschikte steminfrastructuur tussen de algemene vergaderingen door, de beveiliging van de data van de partij *verzekeren*.<br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> ==== 1.B. Roles inside the Coreteam ====<br /> <br /> § 9; Integration<br /> <br /> * 9 A: rejected<br /> * 9 B: accepted<br /> <br /> § 10; Coordination<br /> <br /> * 10 A: <br /> ** Remarks on the term &quot;region&quot;, it's about communities, why not Brussels? Why not german speakers? It's a question of language and not a question of region.<br /> ** rejected<br /> * 10 B: accepted<br /> <br /> § 11; Press<br /> <br /> * 11 A: rejected<br /> * 11 B: accepted<br /> <br /> § 12; IT<br /> <br /> * 12 A: rejected (14+/21-)<br /> * 12 B: accepted<br /> <br /> § 13; Treasury<br /> <br /> * 13 A: accepted (+27/-13)<br /> * 13 B: void since a is accepted<br /> <br /> § 14; Secretariat<br /> <br /> * 14 A: accepted (+27/-13)<br /> * 14 B: void since a is accepted<br /> <br /> § 15; International<br /> <br /> * 15 A: rejected<br /> * 15 B: accepted<br /> <br /> ==== 1.C. Composition of the coreteam ====<br /> <br /> § 16.<br /> <br /> * 16<br /> ** Clarification: 3 regions are: Flanders Wallonia Brussels<br /> ** Question: what are the conditions to be allowed to represent a regio? (not answered)<br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> § 17<br /> <br /> * 17<br /> ** Clarification: no vote on A and B will mean we have no defined amount of members in the coreteam (not a big deal)<br /> ** Adaptation text: <br /> *** FR : La Coreteam est composée de Maximum<br /> *** NL : Het coreteam bestaat uit maximum<br /> **17 A: rejected (+16/-24)<br /> **17 B: rejected<br /> <br /> § 18<br /> <br /> * 18<br /> ** Proposal to vote 18 and 19 and 20 togegher since only all at the same time make sense (not accepted)<br /> ** Adaptation text: maximum 18 months, and not coreteam but members of the coreteam<br /> *** FR : *Un membre de* la Coreteam est élue pour une période *maximale* de 18 mois<br /> *** NL : *Een lid van* het coreteam is verkozen voor een periode van *maximum* 18 maanden<br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> § 19<br /> <br /> *19<br /> ** Question to be asked by Paul after luch: translation is not accurate: <br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> § 20<br /> <br /> remark: &quot;demissione&quot; en francais n'est pas le mot correct =&gt; membre sortant, en fin de mandat<br /> * 20 A: rejected<br /> * 20 B: rejected<br /> <br /> § 21<br /> <br /> * 21: accepted<br /> <br /> § 22<br /> <br /> * 22: accepted<br /> <br /> == lunch break ==<br /> <br /> Sandwitch sales:<br /> <br /> // count //coupure<br /> cash =<br /> <br /> 2.00000 50.00000<br /> 7.00000 2.00000<br /> 11.00000 1.00000<br /> 3.00000 0.50000<br /> 10.00000 0.20000<br /> 5.00000 0.10000<br /> <br /> octave:15&gt; sum(cash(:,1).*cash(:,2))<br /> ans = 129<br /> <br /> == presentation of projects of members ==<br /> <br /> === presentation squads by vincent &amp; paul ===<br /> <br /> * many squads are sleeping (not active)<br /> * for interested people to activate squads, send mail to vincent or paul<br /> ** e.g. the canabis squad is very chill right now.... :-)<br /> * if you want it, do it<br /> <br /> === get opinionated by Jonas ===<br /> <br /> * Jonas, a friend and Pieter (a little bit) made an implementation of a liquid democray application<br /> * Bit like liquid feedback<br /> * Tailored for managing the statutes and program for the pirate party<br /> <br /> Site: http://opinion.pirateparty.be<br /> <br /> * There is a proposal to vote on it later today.<br /> <br /> == 2nd period: Statutes+program ==<br /> <br /> § 19 revisited<br /> <br /> * 19<br /> ** Question on difference dutch and french version: &quot;verkiest&quot; (elects) vs &quot;renouvellee&quot; (renews)<br /> ** Also remark about the dutch version: says that the &quot;coreteam elects&quot;, while should be &quot;members of the coreteam are elected&quot;<br /> ** Adaptation text:<br /> *** (NL) Een derde van de leden van het coreteam wordt elke zes maanden opnieuw verkozen.<br /> *** (FR) La Corteam est re-elu tous les six mois d'un tiers de ses members..<br /> <br /> ** We will deal with this at a later time.<br /> <br /> === VARIA ===<br /> <br /> ==== Crews and squads ====<br /> <br /> § 23<br /> <br /> *23: accepted<br /> <br /> § 24<br /> <br /> *24: rejected<br /> <br /> ==== Various ====<br /> <br /> § 25.<br /> <br /> *25<br /> ** discussion on what and why<br /> ** rejected<br /> <br /> § 26<br /> <br /> *26<br /> ** Remark: mistake in the French version: should be &quot;tous les accords internationaux&quot; (all international agreements) iso &quot;rendez-vous&quot; (meeting)<br /> ** Text adapted:<br /> *** (FR) Tous les accords internationaux pris par le Parti Pirate ne sont valables qu'après ratification par l'Assemblée générale. Cela comprend les relations avec le PPI et PPEU.<br /> *** (NL) Alle internationale afspraken die de Piratenpartij aangaat zijn pas geldig na ratificatie op een Algemene vergadering. Dit bevat onder meer de relaties met PPI en PPEU.<br /> PPI et PPEU.<br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> ==== Party council / The political forum / Permanent meeting ====<br /> <br /> * General remarks/questions:<br /> ** '''Q:''' What about not everyone having access to the internet? '''A:''' It's up to us to provide access to communication tools to our members.<br /> ** '''Q:''' Is this ment to replace general assembly (point 30)? '''A:''' Point 31 states that the GA has to validate the decisions made by this tool.<br /> <br /> § 27.<br /> <br /> * 27<br /> ** Questions about bindingness, referrals to 31. if approved, propositions need to be approved also on ga before they become effective.<br /> ** What about people with no access to computers: solution is to provide access, not to stop getopinionated<br /> ** Text adapted:<br /> *** (NL) : ... vergadert permanent online en maakt democratische voorstellen via ...<br /> *** (FR) : se réunit en permanence en ligne et fait des proposition démocratiques via ...<br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> <br /> § 28<br /> <br /> * 28 A: rejected<br /> * 28 C:rejected<br /> * 28 C: difference less than three, post-poned till next general assembly<br /> <br /> § 29<br /> <br /> * 29: accepted<br /> <br /> § 30<br /> <br /> * 30 A<br /> ** orginal version: rejected<br /> ** Text adapted:<br /> *** (FR) proposer des modifications apportées au programme du parti.<br /> *** (NL) wijzigingen voorstellen voor het programma van de partij.<br /> ** modified version: accepted<br /> <br /> * 30 B<br /> ** Original version: rejected<br /> ** Text adapted:<br /> *** (FR) faire des propositions sur l'idéologie du parti.<br /> *** (NL) voorstellen van ideologische partijstandpunten<br /> ** modified version: accepted<br /> <br /> § 31<br /> <br /> * No longer applicable, not voted<br /> <br /> § 32<br /> <br /> * No longer applicable, not voted<br /> <br /> § 33<br /> <br /> * 33: accepted<br /> <br /> § 34<br /> <br /> * 34: accepted<br /> <br /> § 35<br /> <br /> * 35: rejected<br /> <br /> § 36<br /> <br /> * 36: rejected<br /> <br /> § 37<br /> <br /> * 37: rejected<br /> <br /> == Not-statutory propositions ==<br /> <br /> === Creation of a program for the pirate party ===<br /> <br /> ''Remark: non statutory means not part of the statutes (non-statutary), but can be referred to as decided on the general assembly of the pirate party.''<br /> <br /> § 38.<br /> <br /> *38: accepted<br /> <br /> § 39.<br /> <br /> *39: rejected<br /> <br /> § 40.<br /> <br /> *40: too close to call, postponed<br /> <br /> § 41.<br /> <br /> *41:accepted<br /> <br /> === Programma's themes ===<br /> <br /> § 42. Proposition of themes: <br /> * only suggestions<br /> * voting on this means that the people on the general assembly think this is a good list of things to build a program around<br /> * based on themes of the ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union)<br /> * Q: Add clarification sentence on top that explains what the set of points means, context?<br /> * Q: Skip to 43? voted. accepted. we skip to 43.<br /> * (point 42 was rejected after the vote for 43)<br /> <br /> === Manifest for the pirateparty EU ===<br /> <br /> § 43.<br /> <br /> * 43<br /> ** Manifesto for the Pirate Party EU (as decided in Kiev)<br /> ** If we accept this, the text will be part of our program, and we will be able to join the PPEU.<br /> ** accepted!<br /> <br /> § 42 (re-vote) <br /> <br /> * 42: rejected<br /> <br /> == Coreteam election ==<br /> <br /> * Information about the candidates online available at http://pirateparty.be/candidates-coreteam.<br /> * Votes are secret, do not put your name on the form! <br /> <br /> * How many eligible votes do we have: <br /> ** Members with only one vote: 20<br /> ** Members with one vote and one delegate vote: 14<br /> ** In total, we have 48 eligible votes<br /> <br /> === Presentations ===<br /> <br /> * 7 minutes max per person, <br /> * every candidate of the coreteam explains who he is and why he wants to join the coreteam. Questions after each presentation.<br /> <br /> ==== Kash ====<br /> <br /> * how access to European Parliament? Through the job of his wife<br /> * favorite topic? social entrepreneurship<br /> * Why and how in MR? In the Young MR, to see how politics work. Was in charge of communication<br /> * Where would you like to see the party in 12 months? (just after the elections) at least one person elected, that should be our target. Our party should be a link between citizens and Politics<br /> * Any links with the French pirates? not really, met a few guys<br /> <br /> ==== Emmanuel ====<br /> <br /> * Where would you like to see the party in 12 months and how will you get there? the goal should be to have people elected<br /> * Answer: we need someone elected<br /> * Do you have experience in participating in a board<br /> * (sorry I missed something here...)<br /> * Your core topic? Democracy (liquid) and transparency<br /> <br /> ==== Patrick ====<br /> <br /> * Interested in the way technology can allow people to make better decisions together<br /> * (Experience in another party? yes, PS. Left it now)<br /> * Is Installé your real name ? :-) yes<br /> * Where would you like to see the party in 12 months and how will you get there? 1 elected person or perhaps more. Real charge to help him. <br /> * Do you have time? it's a question of organisation. <br /> * What would you see yourself do in the coreteam? Mainly in the back office, for a project (not regular, at fixed times)<br /> * What is your core topic? Transparency and systems. Nothing is more practical than a good theory<br /> <br /> ==== Axel ====<br /> <br /> * (still discussing his candidature - issue of time)<br /> * removes his candidature right now<br /> * experience at EU Parliament level on communication with Asia<br /> * will stay in full support when needed to professionalise the management of the party, will come to meetings, but in a more informal way, giving advice<br /> <br /> ==== Vincent ====<br /> <br /> * Longer presentation online: http://wiki.pirateparty.be/index.php/Back-up_squad<br /> * (I do not have so much time to give but I will give it - need to put the right tools on the right needs)<br /> * Have you been in a party before? no<br /> * Goal for elections? We are not the only citizens willing to go to politics. we should look for alliance, to avoid dilute votes. Namur crew is in contact with www.constituante.be . If we want to be effective we should not refuse alliances. Elected candidates will need strong support. If no one elected, we should watch what will go on and act still.<br /> * Do you want a cartel with other parties? I do not want a cartel. It is not my goal to go for an alliance. But if someone comes and makes a proposal we should consider it carefully and not reject it directly<br /> * Will you think about political strategy in the frame of the coreteam then? My goal is not to put a direction. I will not push this idea but I am open for it.<br /> * Have you done already some stuff in the coreteam? see link above listing his pirate background. In coreteam: answering emails of new comers, made newsletters... tried to bring some structure, procedures<br /> <br /> ==== Marouan ====<br /> <br /> * (I do not want to be in the coreteam but the job has to be done)<br /> * I will try to fix problems if there are<br /> * Where would you like to see the party in 12 months and how will you get there? I really don't know. 2014 will be an important moment.<br /> * Any experience in another party? 4 years on cdH. Worked for 2 years for Milquet when she was echevin/schepen for Culture. <br /> * What is your contribution you are most proud of as member of the coreteam? I don't know... ...<br /> * (issue with pad sorry)<br /> <br /> ==== Koen ====<br /> <br /> * never been in another party<br /> * Goal around elections: push our opinions, and get elected<br /> * what function in the coreteam would you like to take? would not focus on a specific function, we should just share the load, activate the people<br /> <br /> ==== Tom ====<br /> <br /> * (no political experience)<br /> * see the party rather as a movement. Should not fall in a hole if we do not have someone elected<br /> * where in 12 months? same as doing now. we are here to inform the people.<br /> * your core topic, nearest to your heart? patents<br /> * are you ok that we are running for elections then? sure we are doing politics. but if we focus too much on elections we will loose every one after the elections.<br /> * what's the story about the website? have been through a burn out in fact, feeling like talking to a wall (I guess I am not the only one :-)) I have to learn how to do with it<br /> <br /> ==== Paul ====<br /> <br /> * Motivations: Lot of groups go in the right direction, they'll need political support. Public money is wasted an we need to do something about it.<br /> * Core topics: Finance<br /> * (not in any other party in the past)<br /> * What do you think about the boycott of the worldcup? I agree with that ......<br /> <br /> ==== Sarah ====<br /> <br /> * (one of my main topics: education)<br /> * what do you like-dislike about the pirate party? like freedom, space, liberty, individuals (very different), bad thing is mailing list (leave your ego at home, don't put it on the mailing list)<br /> <br /> ==== Jonas ====<br /> <br /> * (in case of doubt, just vote FOR the people, we need people, a larger core team than over the past few months)<br /> * do what? treasury, open bank account, build a database, ... do what we are lacking now as a pirate party. No representation anymore. I love answering emails<br /> * where do you see the party in one year? I think we have a chance, a reasonable chance. At least we should take the chance. No I want to proffesionnalise the party more.<br /> <br /> === Voting - Counting ===<br /> <br /> * Need 6 people to count the votes, by pairs of two.<br /> * Each candidate needs &gt; 25 votes to be in.<br /> * Vote is secret. You can vote for all candidates if you want.<br /> <br /> * Results: 51 papers counted (not 48... but assume good faith...)<br /> <br /> * Final result:<br /> ** Sarah and Jonas: 50<br /> ** Kash: 46<br /> ** Paul: 45<br /> ** Patrick and Emmanuel: 43<br /> ** Vincent: 42<br /> ** Tom: 41<br /> ** Koen: 40<br /> ** Marouan: 37<br /> <br /> * All candidates are elected --&gt; we have a coreteam of 10 people<br /> * Question: is this classification going to have a consequence on how it is organised? This will be up to them, this had not been defined beforehand.<br /> <br /> Going home... with some merchandising<br /> <br /> Bye !</div>

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<p>Sandb: correction point 23</p> <hr /> <div>= EGA Gent 2013 =<br /> <br /> == Introduction ==<br /> <br /> Start at 11:00. Introduction speech by Sarah Van Liefferinge.<br /> <br /> == Proceedings by Jonas ==<br /> <br /> * meeting notes are taken by: Pieter, Vincent (everyone's welcome)<br /> * selecting people that count the votes; everyone counts all votes; people have been assigned;<br /> <br /> *how many people vote today: 31<br /> * Included in these 31, How many people have a delegated vote: 15<br /> <br /> Agenda:<br /> * 1st period: 11:00-12:30 Coreteam statutes<br /> * 2nd period: 14:00-15:15 Statutes+program<br /> * 3rd period: 15:30-16:45 Statutes+program<br /> * 4th period: 17:00-18:15Coreteam election<br /> * Going home: 18:30<br /> <br /> Documents distributed are online:<br /> * https://docs.google.com/document/d/1c4KwiNEPSrzrJMthaK4XG_lKilnRXJ2GThTufy7g1j8/edit<br /> <br /> == 1st period: Coreteam statutes ==<br /> <br /> === 1. About Coreteam (Statutes : Hoofdstuk II.4 Coreteam - Chapitre II.4 Coreteam) ===<br /> <br /> ==== 1.A. About Coreteam ====<br /> <br /> § 1<br /> <br /> * GENERAL REMARK: coreteam has make sure the work is done, they do not have to do the work themselves per se (delegation)<br /> * remark marr: in practice this might mean often coreteam has to do it themselves<br /> * 1: accepted<br /> <br /> § 2; Integration<br /> <br /> * 2 A: accepted<br /> * 2.B: accepted<br /> * 2 C: accepted<br /> * 2 D:<br /> ** questions on &quot;approving of crews&quot;; this part is removed from the proposition, <br /> ** Adaptation text: <br /> *** (NL) : Het coreteam is een referentie voor nieuwe crews. Ze keurt nieuwe crews goed en helpt ze <br /> *** (FR) : Servir de référence aux nouveaux équipages, approuver et aider les nouveaux équipages<br /> ** accepted (23+/14-)<br /> <br /> Discussion about changing the order on the vote for the next proposals (we are not changing the order)<br /> <br /> § 3; Treasury<br /> <br /> * 3 A: Accepted<br /> * 3 B: Accepted<br /> * 3 C: Accepted<br /> <br /> § 4; Coordination<br /> <br /> * 4 A<br /> ** Clarification requested about &quot;decision that the party has to make&quot; , confirmed to mean &quot;the coreteam just coordinates the decisions, does not make decisions&quot;.<br /> ** accepted<br /> * 4 B<br /> ** clarification: coreteam has make sure the work is done, they do not have to do the work themselves per se (delegation)<br /> ** remark marr: in practice this might mean often coreteam has to do it themselves<br /> ** accepted (+20/-17)<br /> * 4 C: accepted<br /> * 4 D: accepted<br /> <br /> § 5; Paperwork<br /> <br /> * 5 A: accepted<br /> * 5 B: accepted<br /> * 5 C<br /> ** Remark: if coreteam is legally responsible for what's published or done, then we can't let everyone take initiatives without coreteam's approbation<br /> ** Remark paul: let's just vote on logistics not publications=&gt; drop the flyers, campagne, affiches part. Keep webshop.<br /> ** Adaptation text: <br /> *** (FR) : Etre responsable de la logistique du parti et la gestion du webshop, affiches, Flyers, campagne)<br /> *** (NL) : Het coreteam is verantwoordelijk voor de logistiek van de partij en de de webshop, affiches, flyers, posters, campagne) <br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> § 6. International<br /> <br /> * 6 A<br /> ** Remark: PPI requires an &quot;official&quot; person, answer someone will then have to be appointed by or from the coreteam<br /> ** accepted <br /> <br /> § 7; Press<br /> <br /> * 7 A<br /> ** Dutch version of the text missing;<br /> ** (NL) &quot;Het zo snel mogelijk helpen en te woord staan van de pers, het opstellen en ontwikkelen van documentatie over de partij voor de pers, het stimuleren van een zo groot mogelijke media-aandacht voor de partij.&quot;<br /> ** Remark: The Press function is about someone who has the responsibility of getting things done, not about forcing decisions and/or doing all the work by yourself.<br /> ** accepted <br /> <br /> § 8; IT<br /> <br /> * 8 A<br /> **Remark: if coreteam is legally responsible for what's published or done, then we can't let everyone take initiatives without coreteam's approbation<br /> **remark paul: let's just vote on logistics not publications=&gt; drop the flyers, campagne, affiches part. Keep webshop.<br /> ** Adaptation dutch text: <br /> *** (NL) : Het onderhoud van de IT-infrastructuur en de website, de organisatie van geschikte steminfrastructuur tussen de algemene vergaderingen door, de beveiliging van de data van de partij *verzekeren*.<br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> ==== 1.B. Roles inside the Coreteam ====<br /> <br /> § 9; Integration<br /> <br /> * 9 A: rejected<br /> * 9 B: accepted<br /> <br /> § 10; Coordination<br /> <br /> * 10 A: <br /> ** Remarks on the term &quot;region&quot;, it's about communities, why not Brussels? Why not german speakers? It's a question of language and not a question of region.<br /> ** rejected<br /> * 10 B: accepted<br /> <br /> § 11; Press<br /> <br /> * 11 A: rejected<br /> * 11 B: accepted<br /> <br /> § 12; IT<br /> <br /> * 12 A: rejected (14+/21-)<br /> * 12 B: accepted<br /> <br /> § 13; Treasury<br /> <br /> * 13 A: accepted (+27/-13)<br /> * 13 B: void since a is accepted<br /> <br /> § 14; Secretariat<br /> <br /> * 14 A: accepted (+27/-13)<br /> * 14 B: void since a is accepted<br /> <br /> § 15; International<br /> <br /> * 15 A: rejected<br /> * 15 B: accepted<br /> <br /> ==== 1.C. Composition of the coreteam ====<br /> <br /> § 16.<br /> <br /> * 16<br /> ** Clarification: 3 regions are: Flanders Wallonia Brussels<br /> ** Question: what are the conditions to be allowed to represent a regio? (not answered)<br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> § 17<br /> <br /> * 17<br /> ** Clarification: no vote on A and B will mean we have no defined amount of members in the coreteam (not a big deal)<br /> ** Adaptation text: <br /> *** FR : La Coreteam est composée de Maximum<br /> *** NL : Het coreteam bestaat uit maximum<br /> **17 A: rejected (+16/-24)<br /> **17 B: rejected<br /> <br /> § 18<br /> <br /> * 18<br /> ** Proposal to vote 18 and 19 and 20 togegher since only all at the same time make sense (not accepted)<br /> ** Adaptation text: maximum 18 months, and not coreteam but members of the coreteam<br /> *** FR : *Un membre de* la Coreteam est élue pour une période *maximale* de 18 mois<br /> *** NL : *Een lid van* het coreteam is verkozen voor een periode van *maximum* 18 maanden<br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> § 19<br /> <br /> *19<br /> ** Question to be asked by Paul after luch: translation is not accurate: <br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> § 20<br /> <br /> remark: &quot;demissione&quot; en francais n'est pas le mot correct =&gt; membre sortant, en fin de mandat<br /> * 20 A: rejected<br /> * 20 B: rejected<br /> <br /> § 21<br /> <br /> * 21: accepted<br /> <br /> § 22<br /> <br /> * 22: accepted<br /> <br /> == lunch break ==<br /> <br /> Sandwitch sales:<br /> <br /> // count //coupure<br /> cash =<br /> <br /> 2.00000 50.00000<br /> 7.00000 2.00000<br /> 11.00000 1.00000<br /> 3.00000 0.50000<br /> 10.00000 0.20000<br /> 5.00000 0.10000<br /> <br /> octave:15&gt; sum(cash(:,1).*cash(:,2))<br /> ans = 129<br /> <br /> == presentation of projects of members ==<br /> <br /> === presentation squads by vincent &amp; paul ===<br /> <br /> * many squads are sleeping (not active)<br /> * for interested people to activate squads, send mail to vincent or paul<br /> ** e.g. the canabis squad is very chill right now.... :-)<br /> * if you want it, do it<br /> <br /> === get opinionated by Jonas ===<br /> <br /> * Jonas, a friend and Pieter (a little bit) made an implementation of a liquid democray application<br /> * Bit like liquid feedback<br /> * Tailored for managing the statutes and program for the pirate party<br /> <br /> Site: http://opinion.pirateparty.be<br /> <br /> * There is a proposal to vote on it later today.<br /> <br /> == 2nd period: Statutes+program ==<br /> <br /> § 19 revisited<br /> <br /> * 19<br /> ** Question on difference dutch and french version: &quot;verkiest&quot; (elects) vs &quot;renouvellee&quot; (renews)<br /> ** Also remark about the dutch version: says that the &quot;coreteam elects&quot;, while should be &quot;members of the coreteam are elected&quot;<br /> ** Adaptation text:<br /> *** (NL) Een derde van de leden van het coreteam wordt elke zes maanden opnieuw verkozen.<br /> *** (FR) La Corteam est re-elu tous les six mois d'un tiers de ses members..<br /> <br /> ** We will deal with this at a later time.<br /> <br /> === VARIA ===<br /> <br /> ==== Crews and squads ====<br /> <br /> § 23<br /> <br /> *23: accepted<br /> <br /> § 24<br /> <br /> *24: rejected<br /> <br /> ==== Various ====<br /> <br /> § 25.<br /> <br /> *25<br /> ** discussion on what and why<br /> ** rejected<br /> <br /> § 26<br /> <br /> *26<br /> ** Remark: mistake in the French version: should be &quot;tous les accords internationaux&quot; (all international agreements) iso &quot;rendez-vous&quot; (meeting)<br /> ** Text adapted:<br /> *** (NL) Alle internationale afspraken, onder meer die van de PPI en PPEU zijn pas geldig na akkoord van de algemene vergaderin<br /> *** (FR) Tous les accord internationaux ne sont valables qu'apres ratification par l'Assemblee Generale. Cela comprend les relations avec le PPI et PPEU.<br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> ==== Party council / The political forum / Permanent meeting ====<br /> <br /> * General remarks/questions:<br /> ** '''Q:''' What about not everyone having access to the internet? '''A:''' It's up to us to provide access to communication tools to our members.<br /> ** '''Q:''' Is this ment to replace general assembly (point 30)? '''A:''' Point 31 states that the GA has to validate the decisions made by this tool.<br /> <br /> § 27.<br /> <br /> * 27<br /> ** Questions about bindingness, referrals to 31. if approved, propositions need to be approved also on ga before they become effective.<br /> ** What about people with no access to computers: solution is to provide access, not to stop getopinionated<br /> ** Text adapted:<br /> *** (NL) : ... vergadert permanent online en maakt democratische voorstellen via ...<br /> *** (FR) : se réunit en permanence en ligne et fait des proposition démocratiques via ...<br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> <br /> § 28<br /> <br /> * 28 A: rejected<br /> * 28 C:rejected<br /> * 28 C: difference less than three, post-poned till next general assembly<br /> <br /> § 29<br /> <br /> * 29: accepted<br /> <br /> § 30<br /> <br /> * 30 A<br /> ** orginal version: rejected<br /> ** Text adapted:<br /> *** (FR) proposer des modifications apportées au programme du parti.<br /> *** (NL) wijzigingen voorstellen voor het programma van de partij.<br /> ** modified version: accepted<br /> <br /> * 30 B<br /> ** Original version: rejected<br /> ** Text adapted:<br /> *** (FR) faire des propositions sur l'idéologie du parti.<br /> *** (NL) voorstellen van ideologische partijstandpunten<br /> ** modified version: accepted<br /> <br /> § 31<br /> <br /> * No longer applicable, not voted<br /> <br /> § 32<br /> <br /> * No longer applicable, not voted<br /> <br /> § 33<br /> <br /> * 33: accepted<br /> <br /> § 34<br /> <br /> * 34: accepted<br /> <br /> § 35<br /> <br /> * 35: rejected<br /> <br /> § 36<br /> <br /> * 36: rejected<br /> <br /> § 37<br /> <br /> * 37: rejected<br /> <br /> == Not-statutory propositions ==<br /> <br /> === Creation of a program for the pirate party ===<br /> <br /> ''Remark: non statutory means not part of the statutes (non-statutary), but can be referred to as decided on the general assembly of the pirate party.''<br /> <br /> § 38.<br /> <br /> *38: accepted<br /> <br /> § 39.<br /> <br /> *39: rejected<br /> <br /> § 40.<br /> <br /> *40: too close to call, postponed<br /> <br /> § 41.<br /> <br /> *41:accepted<br /> <br /> === Programma's themes ===<br /> <br /> § 42. Proposition of themes: <br /> * only suggestions<br /> * voting on this means that the people on the general assembly think this is a good list of things to build a program around<br /> * based on themes of the ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union)<br /> * Q: Add clarification sentence on top that explains what the set of points means, context?<br /> * Q: Skip to 43? voted. accepted. we skip to 43.<br /> * (point 42 was rejected after the vote for 43)<br /> <br /> === Manifest for the pirateparty EU ===<br /> <br /> § 43.<br /> <br /> * 43<br /> ** Manifesto for the Pirate Party EU (as decided in Kiev)<br /> ** If we accept this, the text will be part of our program, and we will be able to join the PPEU.<br /> ** accepted!<br /> <br /> § 42 (re-vote) <br /> <br /> * 42: rejected<br /> <br /> == Coreteam election ==<br /> <br /> * Information about the candidates online available at http://pirateparty.be/candidates-coreteam.<br /> * Votes are secret, do not put your name on the form! <br /> <br /> * How many eligible votes do we have: <br /> ** Members with only one vote: 20<br /> ** Members with one vote and one delegate vote: 14<br /> ** In total, we have 48 eligible votes<br /> <br /> === Presentations ===<br /> <br /> * 7 minutes max per person, <br /> * every candidate of the coreteam explains who he is and why he wants to join the coreteam. Questions after each presentation.<br /> <br /> ==== Kash ====<br /> <br /> * how access to European Parliament? Through the job of his wife<br /> * favorite topic? social entrepreneurship<br /> * Why and how in MR? In the Young MR, to see how politics work. Was in charge of communication<br /> * Where would you like to see the party in 12 months? (just after the elections) at least one person elected, that should be our target. Our party should be a link between citizens and Politics<br /> * Any links with the French pirates? not really, met a few guys<br /> <br /> ==== Emmanuel ====<br /> <br /> * Where would you like to see the party in 12 months and how will you get there? the goal should be to have people elected<br /> * Answer: we need someone elected<br /> * Do you have experience in participating in a board<br /> * (sorry I missed something here...)<br /> * Your core topic? Democracy (liquid) and transparency<br /> <br /> ==== Patrick ====<br /> <br /> * Interested in the way technology can allow people to make better decisions together<br /> * (Experience in another party? yes, PS. Left it now)<br /> * Is Installé your real name ? :-) yes<br /> * Where would you like to see the party in 12 months and how will you get there? 1 elected person or perhaps more. Real charge to help him. <br /> * Do you have time? it's a question of organisation. <br /> * What would you see yourself do in the coreteam? Mainly in the back office, for a project (not regular, at fixed times)<br /> * What is your core topic? Transparency and systems. Nothing is more practical than a good theory<br /> <br /> ==== Axel ====<br /> <br /> * (still discussing his candidature - issue of time)<br /> * removes his candidature right now<br /> * experience at EU Parliament level on communication with Asia<br /> * will stay in full support when needed to professionalise the management of the party, will come to meetings, but in a more informal way, giving advice<br /> <br /> ==== Vincent ====<br /> <br /> * Longer presentation online: http://wiki.pirateparty.be/index.php/Back-up_squad<br /> * (I do not have so much time to give but I will give it - need to put the right tools on the right needs)<br /> * Have you been in a party before? no<br /> * Goal for elections? We are not the only citizens willing to go to politics. we should look for alliance, to avoid dilute votes. Namur crew is in contact with www.constituante.be . If we want to be effective we should not refuse alliances. Elected candidates will need strong support. If no one elected, we should watch what will go on and act still.<br /> * Do you want a cartel with other parties? I do not want a cartel. It is not my goal to go for an alliance. But if someone comes and makes a proposal we should consider it carefully and not reject it directly<br /> * Will you think about political strategy in the frame of the coreteam then? My goal is not to put a direction. I will not push this idea but I am open for it.<br /> * Have you done already some stuff in the coreteam? see link above listing his pirate background. In coreteam: answering emails of new comers, made newsletters... tried to bring some structure, procedures<br /> <br /> ==== Marouan ====<br /> <br /> * (I do not want to be in the coreteam but the job has to be done)<br /> * I will try to fix problems if there are<br /> * Where would you like to see the party in 12 months and how will you get there? I really don't know. 2014 will be an important moment.<br /> * Any experience in another party? 4 years on cdH. Worked for 2 years for Milquet when she was echevin/schepen for Culture. <br /> * What is your contribution you are most proud of as member of the coreteam? I don't know... ...<br /> * (issue with pad sorry)<br /> <br /> ==== Koen ====<br /> <br /> * never been in another party<br /> * Goal around elections: push our opinions, and get elected<br /> * what function in the coreteam would you like to take? would not focus on a specific function, we should just share the load, activate the people<br /> <br /> ==== Tom ====<br /> <br /> * (no political experience)<br /> * see the party rather as a movement. Should not fall in a hole if we do not have someone elected<br /> * where in 12 months? same as doing now. we are here to inform the people.<br /> * your core topic, nearest to your heart? patents<br /> * are you ok that we are running for elections then? sure we are doing politics. but if we focus too much on elections we will loose every one after the elections.<br /> * what's the story about the website? have been through a burn out in fact, feeling like talking to a wall (I guess I am not the only one :-)) I have to learn how to do with it<br /> <br /> ==== Paul ====<br /> <br /> * Motivations: Lot of groups go in the right direction, they'll need political support. Public money is wasted an we need to do something about it.<br /> * Core topics: Finance<br /> * (not in any other party in the past)<br /> * What do you think about the boycott of the worldcup? I agree with that ......<br /> <br /> ==== Sarah ====<br /> <br /> * (one of my main topics: education)<br /> * what do you like-dislike about the pirate party? like freedom, space, liberty, individuals (very different), bad thing is mailing list (leave your ego at home, don't put it on the mailing list)<br /> <br /> ==== Jonas ====<br /> <br /> * (in case of doubt, just vote FOR the people, we need people, a larger core team than over the past few months)<br /> * do what? treasury, open bank account, build a database, ... do what we are lacking now as a pirate party. No representation anymore. I love answering emails<br /> * where do you see the party in one year? I think we have a chance, a reasonable chance. At least we should take the chance. No I want to proffesionnalise the party more.<br /> <br /> === Voting - Counting ===<br /> <br /> * Need 6 people to count the votes, by pairs of two.<br /> * Each candidate needs &gt; 25 votes to be in.<br /> * Vote is secret. You can vote for all candidates if you want.<br /> <br /> * Results: 51 papers counted (not 48... but assume good faith...)<br /> <br /> * Final result:<br /> ** Sarah and Jonas: 50<br /> ** Kash: 46<br /> ** Paul: 45<br /> ** Patrick and Emmanuel: 43<br /> ** Vincent: 42<br /> ** Tom: 41<br /> ** Koen: 40<br /> ** Marouan: 37<br /> <br /> * All candidates are elected --&gt; we have a coreteam of 10 people<br /> * Question: is this classification going to have a consequence on how it is organised? This will be up to them, this had not been defined beforehand.<br /> <br /> Going home... with some merchandising<br /> <br /> Bye !</div>

Sandb https://wiki.pirateparty.be/index.php?title=Events/EGA:2013/Meeting_Notes&diff=9615 2013-07-09T19:42:05Z

<p>Sandb: /* Creation of a program for the pirate party */</p> <hr /> <div>= EGA Gent 2013 =<br /> <br /> == Introduction ==<br /> <br /> Start at 11:00. Introduction speech by Sarah Van Liefferinge.<br /> <br /> == Proceedings by Jonas ==<br /> <br /> * meeting notes are taken by: Pieter, Vincent (everyone's welcome)<br /> * selecting people that count the votes; everyone counts all votes; people have been assigned;<br /> <br /> *how many people vote today: 31<br /> * Included in these 31, How many people have a delegated vote: 15<br /> <br /> Agenda:<br /> * 1st period: 11:00-12:30 Coreteam statutes<br /> * 2nd period: 14:00-15:15 Statutes+program<br /> * 3rd period: 15:30-16:45 Statutes+program<br /> * 4th period: 17:00-18:15Coreteam election<br /> * Going home: 18:30<br /> <br /> Documents distributed are online:<br /> * https://docs.google.com/document/d/1c4KwiNEPSrzrJMthaK4XG_lKilnRXJ2GThTufy7g1j8/edit<br /> <br /> == 1st period: Coreteam statutes ==<br /> <br /> === 1. About Coreteam (Statutes : Hoofdstuk II.4 Coreteam - Chapitre II.4 Coreteam) ===<br /> <br /> ==== 1.A. About Coreteam ====<br /> <br /> § 1<br /> <br /> * GENERAL REMARK: coreteam has make sure the work is done, they do not have to do the work themselves per se (delegation)<br /> * remark marr: in practice this might mean often coreteam has to do it themselves<br /> * 1: accepted<br /> <br /> § 2; Integration<br /> <br /> * 2 A: accepted<br /> * 2.B: accepted<br /> * 2 C: accepted<br /> * 2 D:<br /> ** questions on &quot;approving of crews&quot;; this part is removed from the proposition, <br /> ** Adaptation text: <br /> *** (NL) : Het coreteam is een referentie voor nieuwe crews. Ze keurt nieuwe crews goed en helpt ze <br /> *** (FR) : Servir de référence aux nouveaux équipages, approuver et aider les nouveaux équipages<br /> ** accepted (23+/14-)<br /> <br /> Discussion about changing the order on the vote for the next proposals (we are not changing the order)<br /> <br /> § 3; Treasury<br /> <br /> * 3 A: Accepted<br /> * 3 B: Accepted<br /> * 3 C: Accepted<br /> <br /> § 4; Coordination<br /> <br /> * 4 A<br /> ** Clarification requested about &quot;decision that the party has to make&quot; , confirmed to mean &quot;the coreteam just coordinates the decisions, does not make decisions&quot;.<br /> ** accepted<br /> * 4 B<br /> ** clarification: coreteam has make sure the work is done, they do not have to do the work themselves per se (delegation)<br /> ** remark marr: in practice this might mean often coreteam has to do it themselves<br /> ** accepted (+20/-17)<br /> * 4 C: accepted<br /> * 4 D: accepted<br /> <br /> § 5; Paperwork<br /> <br /> * 5 A: accepted<br /> * 5 B: accepted<br /> * 5 C<br /> ** Remark: if coreteam is legally responsible for what's published or done, then we can't let everyone take initiatives without coreteam's approbation<br /> ** Remark paul: let's just vote on logistics not publications=&gt; drop the flyers, campagne, affiches part. Keep webshop.<br /> ** Adaptation text: <br /> *** (FR) : Etre responsable de la logistique du parti et la gestion du webshop, affiches, Flyers, campagne)<br /> *** (NL) : Het coreteam is verantwoordelijk voor de logistiek van de partij en de de webshop, affiches, flyers, posters, campagne) <br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> § 6. International<br /> <br /> * 6 A<br /> ** Remark: PPI requires an &quot;official&quot; person, answer someone will then have to be appointed by or from the coreteam<br /> ** accepted <br /> <br /> § 7; Press<br /> <br /> * 7 A<br /> ** Dutch version of the text missing;<br /> ** (NL) &quot;Het zo snel mogelijk helpen en te woord staan van de pers, het opstellen en ontwikkelen van documentatie over de partij voor de pers, het stimuleren van een zo groot mogelijke media-aandacht voor de partij.&quot;<br /> ** Remark: The Press function is about someone who has the responsibility of getting things done, not about forcing decisions and/or doing all the work by yourself.<br /> ** accepted <br /> <br /> § 8; IT<br /> <br /> * 8 A<br /> **Remark: if coreteam is legally responsible for what's published or done, then we can't let everyone take initiatives without coreteam's approbation<br /> **remark paul: let's just vote on logistics not publications=&gt; drop the flyers, campagne, affiches part. Keep webshop.<br /> ** Adaptation dutch text: <br /> *** (NL) : Het onderhoud van de IT-infrastructuur en de website, de organisatie van geschikte steminfrastructuur tussen de algemene vergaderingen door, de beveiliging van de data van de partij *verzekeren*.<br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> ==== 1.B. Roles inside the Coreteam ====<br /> <br /> § 9; Integration<br /> <br /> * 9 A: rejected<br /> * 9 B: accepted<br /> <br /> § 10; Coordination<br /> <br /> * 10 A: <br /> ** Remarks on the term &quot;region&quot;, it's about communities, why not Brussels? Why not german speakers? It's a question of language and not a question of region.<br /> ** rejected<br /> * 10 B: accepted<br /> <br /> § 11; Press<br /> <br /> * 11 A: rejected<br /> * 11 B: accepted<br /> <br /> § 12; IT<br /> <br /> * 12 A: rejected (14+/21-)<br /> * 12 B: accepted<br /> <br /> § 13; Treasury<br /> <br /> * 13 A: accepted (+27/-13)<br /> * 13 B: void since a is accepted<br /> <br /> § 14; Secretariat<br /> <br /> * 14 A: accepted (+27/-13)<br /> * 14 B: void since a is accepted<br /> <br /> § 15; International<br /> <br /> * 15 A: rejected<br /> * 15 B: accepted<br /> <br /> ==== 1.C. Composition of the coreteam ====<br /> <br /> § 16.<br /> <br /> * 16<br /> ** Clarification: 3 regions are: Flanders Wallonia Brussels<br /> ** Question: what are the conditions to be allowed to represent a regio? (not answered)<br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> § 17<br /> <br /> * 17<br /> ** Clarification: no vote on A and B will mean we have no defined amount of members in the coreteam (not a big deal)<br /> ** Adaptation text: <br /> *** FR : La Coreteam est composée de Maximum<br /> *** NL : Het coreteam bestaat uit maximum<br /> **17 A: rejected (+16/-24)<br /> **17 B: rejected<br /> <br /> § 18<br /> <br /> * 18<br /> ** Proposal to vote 18 and 19 and 20 togegher since only all at the same time make sense (not accepted)<br /> ** Adaptation text: maximum 18 months, and not coreteam but members of the coreteam<br /> *** FR : *Un membre de* la Coreteam est élue pour une période *maximale* de 18 mois<br /> *** NL : *Een lid van* het coreteam is verkozen voor een periode van *maximum* 18 maanden<br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> § 19<br /> <br /> *19<br /> ** Question to be asked by Paul after luch: translation is not accurate: <br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> § 20<br /> <br /> remark: &quot;demissione&quot; en francais n'est pas le mot correct =&gt; membre sortant, en fin de mandat<br /> * 20 A: rejected<br /> * 20 B: rejected<br /> <br /> § 21<br /> <br /> * 21: accepted<br /> <br /> § 22<br /> <br /> * 22: accepted<br /> <br /> == lunch break ==<br /> <br /> Sandwitch sales:<br /> <br /> // count //coupure<br /> cash =<br /> <br /> 2.00000 50.00000<br /> 7.00000 2.00000<br /> 11.00000 1.00000<br /> 3.00000 0.50000<br /> 10.00000 0.20000<br /> 5.00000 0.10000<br /> <br /> octave:15&gt; sum(cash(:,1).*cash(:,2))<br /> ans = 129<br /> <br /> == presentation of projects of members ==<br /> <br /> === presentation squads by vincent &amp; paul ===<br /> <br /> * many squads are sleeping (not active)<br /> * for interested people to activate squads, send mail to vincent or paul<br /> ** e.g. the canabis squad is very chill right now.... :-)<br /> * if you want it, do it<br /> <br /> === get opinionated by Jonas ===<br /> <br /> * Jonas, a friend and Pieter (a little bit) made an implementation of a liquid democray application<br /> * Bit like liquid feedback<br /> * Tailored for managing the statutes and program for the pirate party<br /> <br /> Site: http://opinion.pirateparty.be<br /> <br /> * There is a proposal to vote on it later today.<br /> <br /> == 2nd period: Statutes+program ==<br /> <br /> § 19 revisited<br /> <br /> * 19<br /> ** Question on difference dutch and french version: &quot;verkiest&quot; (elects) vs &quot;renouvellee&quot; (renews)<br /> ** Also remark about the dutch version: says that the &quot;coreteam elects&quot;, while should be &quot;members of the coreteam are elected&quot;<br /> ** Adaptation text:<br /> *** (NL) Een derde van de leden van het coreteam wordt elke zes maanden opnieuw verkozen.<br /> *** (FR) La Corteam est re-elu tous les six mois d'un tiers de ses members..<br /> <br /> ** We will deal with this at a later time.<br /> <br /> === VARIA ===<br /> <br /> ==== Crews and squads ====<br /> <br /> § 23<br /> <br /> *23<br /> ** Adaptation text:<br /> *** (FR) : Tous les *accords internationaux* pris par le Parti Pirate ne sont valables qu'après ratification par l'Assemblée générale. Cela comprend les relations avec le PPI et PPEU.<br /> *** (NL) : Alle *internationale* afspraken die de Piratenpartij aangaat zijn pas geldig na ratificatie op een Algemene vergadering. Dit bevat onder meer de relaties met PPI en PPEU<br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> § 24<br /> <br /> *24: rejected <br /> <br /> ==== Various ====<br /> <br /> § 25.<br /> <br /> *25<br /> ** discussion on what and why<br /> ** rejected<br /> <br /> § 26<br /> <br /> *26<br /> ** Remark: mistake in the French version: should be &quot;tous les accords internationaux&quot; (all international agreements) iso &quot;rendez-vous&quot; (meeting)<br /> ** Text adapted:<br /> *** (NL) Alle internationale afspraken, onder meer die van de PPI en PPEU zijn pas geldig na akkoord van de algemene vergaderin<br /> *** (FR) Tous les accord internationaux ne sont valables qu'apres ratification par l'Assemblee Generale. Cela comprend les relations avec le PPI et PPEU.<br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> ==== Party council / The political forum / Permanent meeting ====<br /> <br /> * General remarks/questions:<br /> ** '''Q:''' What about not everyone having access to the internet? '''A:''' It's up to us to provide access to communication tools to our members.<br /> ** '''Q:''' Is this ment to replace general assembly (point 30)? '''A:''' Point 31 states that the GA has to validate the decisions made by this tool.<br /> <br /> § 27.<br /> <br /> * 27<br /> ** Questions about bindingness, referrals to 31. if approved, propositions need to be approved also on ga before they become effective.<br /> ** What about people with no access to computers: solution is to provide access, not to stop getopinionated<br /> ** Text adapted:<br /> *** (NL) : ... vergadert permanent online en maakt democratische voorstellen via ...<br /> *** (FR) : se réunit en permanence en ligne et fait des proposition démocratiques via ...<br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> <br /> § 28<br /> <br /> * 28 A: rejected<br /> * 28 C:rejected<br /> * 28 C: difference less than three, post-poned till next general assembly<br /> <br /> § 29<br /> <br /> * 29: accepted<br /> <br /> § 30<br /> <br /> * 30 A<br /> ** orginal version: rejected<br /> ** Text adapted:<br /> *** (FR) proposer des modifications apportées au programme du parti.<br /> *** (NL) wijzigingen voorstellen voor het programma van de partij.<br /> ** modified version: accepted<br /> <br /> * 30 B<br /> ** Original version: rejected<br /> ** Text adapted:<br /> *** (FR) faire des propositions sur l'idéologie du parti.<br /> *** (NL) voorstellen van ideologische partijstandpunten<br /> ** modified version: accepted<br /> <br /> § 31<br /> <br /> * No longer applicable, not voted<br /> <br /> § 32<br /> <br /> * No longer applicable, not voted<br /> <br /> § 33<br /> <br /> * 33: accepted<br /> <br /> § 34<br /> <br /> * 34: accepted<br /> <br /> § 35<br /> <br /> * 35: rejected<br /> <br /> § 36<br /> <br /> * 36: rejected<br /> <br /> § 37<br /> <br /> * 37: rejected<br /> <br /> == Not-statutory propositions ==<br /> <br /> === Creation of a program for the pirate party ===<br /> <br /> ''Remark: non statutory means not part of the statutes (non-statutary), but can be referred to as decided on the general assembly of the pirate party.''<br /> <br /> § 38.<br /> <br /> *38: accepted<br /> <br /> § 39.<br /> <br /> *39: rejected<br /> <br /> § 40.<br /> <br /> *40: too close to call, postponed<br /> <br /> § 41.<br /> <br /> *41:accepted<br /> <br /> === Programma's themes ===<br /> <br /> § 42. Proposition of themes: <br /> * only suggestions<br /> * voting on this means that the people on the general assembly think this is a good list of things to build a program around<br /> * based on themes of the ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union)<br /> * Q: Add clarification sentence on top that explains what the set of points means, context?<br /> * Q: Skip to 43? voted. accepted. we skip to 43.<br /> * (point 42 was rejected after the vote for 43)<br /> <br /> === Manifest for the pirateparty EU ===<br /> <br /> § 43.<br /> <br /> * 43<br /> ** Manifesto for the Pirate Party EU (as decided in Kiev)<br /> ** If we accept this, the text will be part of our program, and we will be able to join the PPEU.<br /> ** accepted!<br /> <br /> § 42 (re-vote) <br /> <br /> * 42: rejected<br /> <br /> == Coreteam election ==<br /> <br /> * Information about the candidates online available at http://pirateparty.be/candidates-coreteam.<br /> * Votes are secret, do not put your name on the form! <br /> <br /> * How many eligible votes do we have: <br /> ** Members with only one vote: 20<br /> ** Members with one vote and one delegate vote: 14<br /> ** In total, we have 48 eligible votes<br /> <br /> === Presentations ===<br /> <br /> * 7 minutes max per person, <br /> * every candidate of the coreteam explains who he is and why he wants to join the coreteam. Questions after each presentation.<br /> <br /> ==== Kash ====<br /> <br /> * how access to European Parliament? Through the job of his wife<br /> * favorite topic? social entrepreneurship<br /> * Why and how in MR? In the Young MR, to see how politics work. Was in charge of communication<br /> * Where would you like to see the party in 12 months? (just after the elections) at least one person elected, that should be our target. Our party should be a link between citizens and Politics<br /> * Any links with the French pirates? not really, met a few guys<br /> <br /> ==== Emmanuel ====<br /> <br /> * Where would you like to see the party in 12 months and how will you get there? the goal should be to have people elected<br /> * Answer: we need someone elected<br /> * Do you have experience in participating in a board<br /> * (sorry I missed something here...)<br /> * Your core topic? Democracy (liquid) and transparency<br /> <br /> ==== Patrick ====<br /> <br /> * Interested in the way technology can allow people to make better decisions together<br /> * (Experience in another party? yes, PS. Left it now)<br /> * Is Installé your real name ? :-) yes<br /> * Where would you like to see the party in 12 months and how will you get there? 1 elected person or perhaps more. Real charge to help him. <br /> * Do you have time? it's a question of organisation. <br /> * What would you see yourself do in the coreteam? Mainly in the back office, for a project (not regular, at fixed times)<br /> * What is your core topic? Transparency and systems. Nothing is more practical than a good theory<br /> <br /> ==== Axel ====<br /> <br /> * (still discussing his candidature - issue of time)<br /> * removes his candidature right now<br /> * experience at EU Parliament level on communication with Asia<br /> * will stay in full support when needed to professionalise the management of the party, will come to meetings, but in a more informal way, giving advice<br /> <br /> ==== Vincent ====<br /> <br /> * Longer presentation online: http://wiki.pirateparty.be/index.php/Back-up_squad<br /> * (I do not have so much time to give but I will give it - need to put the right tools on the right needs)<br /> * Have you been in a party before? no<br /> * Goal for elections? We are not the only citizens willing to go to politics. we should look for alliance, to avoid dilute votes. Namur crew is in contact with www.constituante.be . If we want to be effective we should not refuse alliances. Elected candidates will need strong support. If no one elected, we should watch what will go on and act still.<br /> * Do you want a cartel with other parties? I do not want a cartel. It is not my goal to go for an alliance. But if someone comes and makes a proposal we should consider it carefully and not reject it directly<br /> * Will you think about political strategy in the frame of the coreteam then? My goal is not to put a direction. I will not push this idea but I am open for it.<br /> * Have you done already some stuff in the coreteam? see link above listing his pirate background. In coreteam: answering emails of new comers, made newsletters... tried to bring some structure, procedures<br /> <br /> ==== Marouan ====<br /> <br /> * (I do not want to be in the coreteam but the job has to be done)<br /> * I will try to fix problems if there are<br /> * Where would you like to see the party in 12 months and how will you get there? I really don't know. 2014 will be an important moment.<br /> * Any experience in another party? 4 years on cdH. Worked for 2 years for Milquet when she was echevin/schepen for Culture. <br /> * What is your contribution you are most proud of as member of the coreteam? I don't know... ...<br /> * (issue with pad sorry)<br /> <br /> ==== Koen ====<br /> <br /> * never been in another party<br /> * Goal around elections: push our opinions, and get elected<br /> * what function in the coreteam would you like to take? would not focus on a specific function, we should just share the load, activate the people<br /> <br /> ==== Tom ====<br /> <br /> * (no political experience)<br /> * see the party rather as a movement. Should not fall in a hole if we do not have someone elected<br /> * where in 12 months? same as doing now. we are here to inform the people.<br /> * your core topic, nearest to your heart? patents<br /> * are you ok that we are running for elections then? sure we are doing politics. but if we focus too much on elections we will loose every one after the elections.<br /> * what's the story about the website? have been through a burn out in fact, feeling like talking to a wall (I guess I am not the only one :-)) I have to learn how to do with it<br /> <br /> ==== Paul ====<br /> <br /> * Motivations: Lot of groups go in the right direction, they'll need political support. Public money is wasted an we need to do something about it.<br /> * Core topics: Finance<br /> * (not in any other party in the past)<br /> * What do you think about the boycott of the worldcup? I agree with that ......<br /> <br /> ==== Sarah ====<br /> <br /> * (one of my main topics: education)<br /> * what do you like-dislike about the pirate party? like freedom, space, liberty, individuals (very different), bad thing is mailing list (leave your ego at home, don't put it on the mailing list)<br /> <br /> ==== Jonas ====<br /> <br /> * (in case of doubt, just vote FOR the people, we need people, a larger core team than over the past few months)<br /> * do what? treasury, open bank account, build a database, ... do what we are lacking now as a pirate party. No representation anymore. I love answering emails<br /> * where do you see the party in one year? I think we have a chance, a reasonable chance. At least we should take the chance. No I want to proffesionnalise the party more.<br /> <br /> === Voting - Counting ===<br /> <br /> * Need 6 people to count the votes, by pairs of two.<br /> * Each candidate needs &gt; 25 votes to be in.<br /> * Vote is secret. You can vote for all candidates if you want.<br /> <br /> * Results: 51 papers counted (not 48... but assume good faith...)<br /> <br /> * Final result:<br /> ** Sarah and Jonas: 50<br /> ** Kash: 46<br /> ** Paul: 45<br /> ** Patrick and Emmanuel: 43<br /> ** Vincent: 42<br /> ** Tom: 41<br /> ** Koen: 40<br /> ** Marouan: 37<br /> <br /> * All candidates are elected --&gt; we have a coreteam of 10 people<br /> * Question: is this classification going to have a consequence on how it is organised? This will be up to them, this had not been defined beforehand.<br /> <br /> Going home... with some merchandising<br /> <br /> Bye !</div>

Sandb https://wiki.pirateparty.be/index.php?title=Events/EGA:2013/Meeting_Notes&diff=9614 2013-07-09T19:41:48Z

<p>Sandb: /* Party council / The political forum / Permanent meeting */</p> <hr /> <div>= EGA Gent 2013 =<br /> <br /> == Introduction ==<br /> <br /> Start at 11:00. Introduction speech by Sarah Van Liefferinge.<br /> <br /> == Proceedings by Jonas ==<br /> <br /> * meeting notes are taken by: Pieter, Vincent (everyone's welcome)<br /> * selecting people that count the votes; everyone counts all votes; people have been assigned;<br /> <br /> *how many people vote today: 31<br /> * Included in these 31, How many people have a delegated vote: 15<br /> <br /> Agenda:<br /> * 1st period: 11:00-12:30 Coreteam statutes<br /> * 2nd period: 14:00-15:15 Statutes+program<br /> * 3rd period: 15:30-16:45 Statutes+program<br /> * 4th period: 17:00-18:15Coreteam election<br /> * Going home: 18:30<br /> <br /> Documents distributed are online:<br /> * https://docs.google.com/document/d/1c4KwiNEPSrzrJMthaK4XG_lKilnRXJ2GThTufy7g1j8/edit<br /> <br /> == 1st period: Coreteam statutes ==<br /> <br /> === 1. About Coreteam (Statutes : Hoofdstuk II.4 Coreteam - Chapitre II.4 Coreteam) ===<br /> <br /> ==== 1.A. About Coreteam ====<br /> <br /> § 1<br /> <br /> * GENERAL REMARK: coreteam has make sure the work is done, they do not have to do the work themselves per se (delegation)<br /> * remark marr: in practice this might mean often coreteam has to do it themselves<br /> * 1: accepted<br /> <br /> § 2; Integration<br /> <br /> * 2 A: accepted<br /> * 2.B: accepted<br /> * 2 C: accepted<br /> * 2 D:<br /> ** questions on &quot;approving of crews&quot;; this part is removed from the proposition, <br /> ** Adaptation text: <br /> *** (NL) : Het coreteam is een referentie voor nieuwe crews. Ze keurt nieuwe crews goed en helpt ze <br /> *** (FR) : Servir de référence aux nouveaux équipages, approuver et aider les nouveaux équipages<br /> ** accepted (23+/14-)<br /> <br /> Discussion about changing the order on the vote for the next proposals (we are not changing the order)<br /> <br /> § 3; Treasury<br /> <br /> * 3 A: Accepted<br /> * 3 B: Accepted<br /> * 3 C: Accepted<br /> <br /> § 4; Coordination<br /> <br /> * 4 A<br /> ** Clarification requested about &quot;decision that the party has to make&quot; , confirmed to mean &quot;the coreteam just coordinates the decisions, does not make decisions&quot;.<br /> ** accepted<br /> * 4 B<br /> ** clarification: coreteam has make sure the work is done, they do not have to do the work themselves per se (delegation)<br /> ** remark marr: in practice this might mean often coreteam has to do it themselves<br /> ** accepted (+20/-17)<br /> * 4 C: accepted<br /> * 4 D: accepted<br /> <br /> § 5; Paperwork<br /> <br /> * 5 A: accepted<br /> * 5 B: accepted<br /> * 5 C<br /> ** Remark: if coreteam is legally responsible for what's published or done, then we can't let everyone take initiatives without coreteam's approbation<br /> ** Remark paul: let's just vote on logistics not publications=&gt; drop the flyers, campagne, affiches part. Keep webshop.<br /> ** Adaptation text: <br /> *** (FR) : Etre responsable de la logistique du parti et la gestion du webshop, affiches, Flyers, campagne)<br /> *** (NL) : Het coreteam is verantwoordelijk voor de logistiek van de partij en de de webshop, affiches, flyers, posters, campagne) <br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> § 6. International<br /> <br /> * 6 A<br /> ** Remark: PPI requires an &quot;official&quot; person, answer someone will then have to be appointed by or from the coreteam<br /> ** accepted <br /> <br /> § 7; Press<br /> <br /> * 7 A<br /> ** Dutch version of the text missing;<br /> ** (NL) &quot;Het zo snel mogelijk helpen en te woord staan van de pers, het opstellen en ontwikkelen van documentatie over de partij voor de pers, het stimuleren van een zo groot mogelijke media-aandacht voor de partij.&quot;<br /> ** Remark: The Press function is about someone who has the responsibility of getting things done, not about forcing decisions and/or doing all the work by yourself.<br /> ** accepted <br /> <br /> § 8; IT<br /> <br /> * 8 A<br /> **Remark: if coreteam is legally responsible for what's published or done, then we can't let everyone take initiatives without coreteam's approbation<br /> **remark paul: let's just vote on logistics not publications=&gt; drop the flyers, campagne, affiches part. Keep webshop.<br /> ** Adaptation dutch text: <br /> *** (NL) : Het onderhoud van de IT-infrastructuur en de website, de organisatie van geschikte steminfrastructuur tussen de algemene vergaderingen door, de beveiliging van de data van de partij *verzekeren*.<br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> ==== 1.B. Roles inside the Coreteam ====<br /> <br /> § 9; Integration<br /> <br /> * 9 A: rejected<br /> * 9 B: accepted<br /> <br /> § 10; Coordination<br /> <br /> * 10 A: <br /> ** Remarks on the term &quot;region&quot;, it's about communities, why not Brussels? Why not german speakers? It's a question of language and not a question of region.<br /> ** rejected<br /> * 10 B: accepted<br /> <br /> § 11; Press<br /> <br /> * 11 A: rejected<br /> * 11 B: accepted<br /> <br /> § 12; IT<br /> <br /> * 12 A: rejected (14+/21-)<br /> * 12 B: accepted<br /> <br /> § 13; Treasury<br /> <br /> * 13 A: accepted (+27/-13)<br /> * 13 B: void since a is accepted<br /> <br /> § 14; Secretariat<br /> <br /> * 14 A: accepted (+27/-13)<br /> * 14 B: void since a is accepted<br /> <br /> § 15; International<br /> <br /> * 15 A: rejected<br /> * 15 B: accepted<br /> <br /> ==== 1.C. Composition of the coreteam ====<br /> <br /> § 16.<br /> <br /> * 16<br /> ** Clarification: 3 regions are: Flanders Wallonia Brussels<br /> ** Question: what are the conditions to be allowed to represent a regio? (not answered)<br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> § 17<br /> <br /> * 17<br /> ** Clarification: no vote on A and B will mean we have no defined amount of members in the coreteam (not a big deal)<br /> ** Adaptation text: <br /> *** FR : La Coreteam est composée de Maximum<br /> *** NL : Het coreteam bestaat uit maximum<br /> **17 A: rejected (+16/-24)<br /> **17 B: rejected<br /> <br /> § 18<br /> <br /> * 18<br /> ** Proposal to vote 18 and 19 and 20 togegher since only all at the same time make sense (not accepted)<br /> ** Adaptation text: maximum 18 months, and not coreteam but members of the coreteam<br /> *** FR : *Un membre de* la Coreteam est élue pour une période *maximale* de 18 mois<br /> *** NL : *Een lid van* het coreteam is verkozen voor een periode van *maximum* 18 maanden<br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> § 19<br /> <br /> *19<br /> ** Question to be asked by Paul after luch: translation is not accurate: <br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> § 20<br /> <br /> remark: &quot;demissione&quot; en francais n'est pas le mot correct =&gt; membre sortant, en fin de mandat<br /> * 20 A: rejected<br /> * 20 B: rejected<br /> <br /> § 21<br /> <br /> * 21: accepted<br /> <br /> § 22<br /> <br /> * 22: accepted<br /> <br /> == lunch break ==<br /> <br /> Sandwitch sales:<br /> <br /> // count //coupure<br /> cash =<br /> <br /> 2.00000 50.00000<br /> 7.00000 2.00000<br /> 11.00000 1.00000<br /> 3.00000 0.50000<br /> 10.00000 0.20000<br /> 5.00000 0.10000<br /> <br /> octave:15&gt; sum(cash(:,1).*cash(:,2))<br /> ans = 129<br /> <br /> == presentation of projects of members ==<br /> <br /> === presentation squads by vincent &amp; paul ===<br /> <br /> * many squads are sleeping (not active)<br /> * for interested people to activate squads, send mail to vincent or paul<br /> ** e.g. the canabis squad is very chill right now.... :-)<br /> * if you want it, do it<br /> <br /> === get opinionated by Jonas ===<br /> <br /> * Jonas, a friend and Pieter (a little bit) made an implementation of a liquid democray application<br /> * Bit like liquid feedback<br /> * Tailored for managing the statutes and program for the pirate party<br /> <br /> Site: http://opinion.pirateparty.be<br /> <br /> * There is a proposal to vote on it later today.<br /> <br /> == 2nd period: Statutes+program ==<br /> <br /> § 19 revisited<br /> <br /> * 19<br /> ** Question on difference dutch and french version: &quot;verkiest&quot; (elects) vs &quot;renouvellee&quot; (renews)<br /> ** Also remark about the dutch version: says that the &quot;coreteam elects&quot;, while should be &quot;members of the coreteam are elected&quot;<br /> ** Adaptation text:<br /> *** (NL) Een derde van de leden van het coreteam wordt elke zes maanden opnieuw verkozen.<br /> *** (FR) La Corteam est re-elu tous les six mois d'un tiers de ses members..<br /> <br /> ** We will deal with this at a later time.<br /> <br /> === VARIA ===<br /> <br /> ==== Crews and squads ====<br /> <br /> § 23<br /> <br /> *23<br /> ** Adaptation text:<br /> *** (FR) : Tous les *accords internationaux* pris par le Parti Pirate ne sont valables qu'après ratification par l'Assemblée générale. Cela comprend les relations avec le PPI et PPEU.<br /> *** (NL) : Alle *internationale* afspraken die de Piratenpartij aangaat zijn pas geldig na ratificatie op een Algemene vergadering. Dit bevat onder meer de relaties met PPI en PPEU<br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> § 24<br /> <br /> *24: rejected <br /> <br /> ==== Various ====<br /> <br /> § 25.<br /> <br /> *25<br /> ** discussion on what and why<br /> ** rejected<br /> <br /> § 26<br /> <br /> *26<br /> ** Remark: mistake in the French version: should be &quot;tous les accords internationaux&quot; (all international agreements) iso &quot;rendez-vous&quot; (meeting)<br /> ** Text adapted:<br /> *** (NL) Alle internationale afspraken, onder meer die van de PPI en PPEU zijn pas geldig na akkoord van de algemene vergaderin<br /> *** (FR) Tous les accord internationaux ne sont valables qu'apres ratification par l'Assemblee Generale. Cela comprend les relations avec le PPI et PPEU.<br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> ==== Party council / The political forum / Permanent meeting ====<br /> <br /> * General remarks/questions:<br /> ** '''Q:''' What about not everyone having access to the internet? '''A:''' It's up to us to provide access to communication tools to our members.<br /> ** '''Q:''' Is this ment to replace general assembly (point 30)? '''A:''' Point 31 states that the GA has to validate the decisions made by this tool.<br /> <br /> § 27.<br /> <br /> * 27<br /> ** Questions about bindingness, referrals to 31. if approved, propositions need to be approved also on ga before they become effective.<br /> ** What about people with no access to computers: solution is to provide access, not to stop getopinionated<br /> ** Text adapted:<br /> *** (NL) : ... vergadert permanent online en maakt democratische voorstellen via ...<br /> *** (FR) : se réunit en permanence en ligne et fait des proposition démocratiques via ...<br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> <br /> § 28<br /> <br /> * 28 A: rejected<br /> * 28 C:rejected<br /> * 28 C: difference less than three, post-poned till next general assembly<br /> <br /> § 29<br /> <br /> * 29: accepted<br /> <br /> § 30<br /> <br /> * 30 A<br /> ** orginal version: rejected<br /> ** Text adapted:<br /> *** (FR) proposer des modifications apportées au programme du parti.<br /> *** (NL) wijzigingen voorstellen voor het programma van de partij.<br /> ** modified version: accepted<br /> <br /> * 30 B<br /> ** Original version: rejected<br /> ** Text adapted:<br /> *** (FR) faire des propositions sur l'idéologie du parti.<br /> *** (NL) voorstellen van ideologische partijstandpunten<br /> ** modified version: accepted<br /> <br /> § 31<br /> <br /> * No longer applicable, not voted<br /> <br /> § 32<br /> <br /> * No longer applicable, not voted<br /> <br /> § 33<br /> <br /> * 33: accepted<br /> <br /> § 34<br /> <br /> * 34: accepted<br /> <br /> § 35<br /> <br /> * 35: rejected<br /> <br /> § 36<br /> <br /> * 36: rejected<br /> <br /> § 37<br /> <br /> * 37: rejected<br /> <br /> == Not-statutory propositions ==<br /> <br /> === Creation of a program for the pirate party ===<br /> <br /> _Remark: non statutory means not part of the statutes (non-statutary), but can be referred to as decided on the general assembly of the pirate party._<br /> <br /> § 38.<br /> <br /> *38: accepted<br /> <br /> § 39.<br /> <br /> *39: rejected<br /> <br /> § 40.<br /> <br /> *40: too close to call, postponed<br /> <br /> § 41.<br /> <br /> *41:accepted <br /> <br /> === Programma's themes ===<br /> <br /> § 42. Proposition of themes: <br /> * only suggestions<br /> * voting on this means that the people on the general assembly think this is a good list of things to build a program around<br /> * based on themes of the ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union)<br /> * Q: Add clarification sentence on top that explains what the set of points means, context?<br /> * Q: Skip to 43? voted. accepted. we skip to 43.<br /> * (point 42 was rejected after the vote for 43)<br /> <br /> === Manifest for the pirateparty EU ===<br /> <br /> § 43.<br /> <br /> * 43<br /> ** Manifesto for the Pirate Party EU (as decided in Kiev)<br /> ** If we accept this, the text will be part of our program, and we will be able to join the PPEU.<br /> ** accepted!<br /> <br /> § 42 (re-vote) <br /> <br /> * 42: rejected<br /> <br /> == Coreteam election ==<br /> <br /> * Information about the candidates online available at http://pirateparty.be/candidates-coreteam.<br /> * Votes are secret, do not put your name on the form! <br /> <br /> * How many eligible votes do we have: <br /> ** Members with only one vote: 20<br /> ** Members with one vote and one delegate vote: 14<br /> ** In total, we have 48 eligible votes<br /> <br /> === Presentations ===<br /> <br /> * 7 minutes max per person, <br /> * every candidate of the coreteam explains who he is and why he wants to join the coreteam. Questions after each presentation.<br /> <br /> ==== Kash ====<br /> <br /> * how access to European Parliament? Through the job of his wife<br /> * favorite topic? social entrepreneurship<br /> * Why and how in MR? In the Young MR, to see how politics work. Was in charge of communication<br /> * Where would you like to see the party in 12 months? (just after the elections) at least one person elected, that should be our target. Our party should be a link between citizens and Politics<br /> * Any links with the French pirates? not really, met a few guys<br /> <br /> ==== Emmanuel ====<br /> <br /> * Where would you like to see the party in 12 months and how will you get there? the goal should be to have people elected<br /> * Answer: we need someone elected<br /> * Do you have experience in participating in a board<br /> * (sorry I missed something here...)<br /> * Your core topic? Democracy (liquid) and transparency<br /> <br /> ==== Patrick ====<br /> <br /> * Interested in the way technology can allow people to make better decisions together<br /> * (Experience in another party? yes, PS. Left it now)<br /> * Is Installé your real name ? :-) yes<br /> * Where would you like to see the party in 12 months and how will you get there? 1 elected person or perhaps more. Real charge to help him. <br /> * Do you have time? it's a question of organisation. <br /> * What would you see yourself do in the coreteam? Mainly in the back office, for a project (not regular, at fixed times)<br /> * What is your core topic? Transparency and systems. Nothing is more practical than a good theory<br /> <br /> ==== Axel ====<br /> <br /> * (still discussing his candidature - issue of time)<br /> * removes his candidature right now<br /> * experience at EU Parliament level on communication with Asia<br /> * will stay in full support when needed to professionalise the management of the party, will come to meetings, but in a more informal way, giving advice<br /> <br /> ==== Vincent ====<br /> <br /> * Longer presentation online: http://wiki.pirateparty.be/index.php/Back-up_squad<br /> * (I do not have so much time to give but I will give it - need to put the right tools on the right needs)<br /> * Have you been in a party before? no<br /> * Goal for elections? We are not the only citizens willing to go to politics. we should look for alliance, to avoid dilute votes. Namur crew is in contact with www.constituante.be . If we want to be effective we should not refuse alliances. Elected candidates will need strong support. If no one elected, we should watch what will go on and act still.<br /> * Do you want a cartel with other parties? I do not want a cartel. It is not my goal to go for an alliance. But if someone comes and makes a proposal we should consider it carefully and not reject it directly<br /> * Will you think about political strategy in the frame of the coreteam then? My goal is not to put a direction. I will not push this idea but I am open for it.<br /> * Have you done already some stuff in the coreteam? see link above listing his pirate background. In coreteam: answering emails of new comers, made newsletters... tried to bring some structure, procedures<br /> <br /> ==== Marouan ====<br /> <br /> * (I do not want to be in the coreteam but the job has to be done)<br /> * I will try to fix problems if there are<br /> * Where would you like to see the party in 12 months and how will you get there? I really don't know. 2014 will be an important moment.<br /> * Any experience in another party? 4 years on cdH. Worked for 2 years for Milquet when she was echevin/schepen for Culture. <br /> * What is your contribution you are most proud of as member of the coreteam? I don't know... ...<br /> * (issue with pad sorry)<br /> <br /> ==== Koen ====<br /> <br /> * never been in another party<br /> * Goal around elections: push our opinions, and get elected<br /> * what function in the coreteam would you like to take? would not focus on a specific function, we should just share the load, activate the people<br /> <br /> ==== Tom ====<br /> <br /> * (no political experience)<br /> * see the party rather as a movement. Should not fall in a hole if we do not have someone elected<br /> * where in 12 months? same as doing now. we are here to inform the people.<br /> * your core topic, nearest to your heart? patents<br /> * are you ok that we are running for elections then? sure we are doing politics. but if we focus too much on elections we will loose every one after the elections.<br /> * what's the story about the website? have been through a burn out in fact, feeling like talking to a wall (I guess I am not the only one :-)) I have to learn how to do with it<br /> <br /> ==== Paul ====<br /> <br /> * Motivations: Lot of groups go in the right direction, they'll need political support. Public money is wasted an we need to do something about it.<br /> * Core topics: Finance<br /> * (not in any other party in the past)<br /> * What do you think about the boycott of the worldcup? I agree with that ......<br /> <br /> ==== Sarah ====<br /> <br /> * (one of my main topics: education)<br /> * what do you like-dislike about the pirate party? like freedom, space, liberty, individuals (very different), bad thing is mailing list (leave your ego at home, don't put it on the mailing list)<br /> <br /> ==== Jonas ====<br /> <br /> * (in case of doubt, just vote FOR the people, we need people, a larger core team than over the past few months)<br /> * do what? treasury, open bank account, build a database, ... do what we are lacking now as a pirate party. No representation anymore. I love answering emails<br /> * where do you see the party in one year? I think we have a chance, a reasonable chance. At least we should take the chance. No I want to proffesionnalise the party more.<br /> <br /> === Voting - Counting ===<br /> <br /> * Need 6 people to count the votes, by pairs of two.<br /> * Each candidate needs &gt; 25 votes to be in.<br /> * Vote is secret. You can vote for all candidates if you want.<br /> <br /> * Results: 51 papers counted (not 48... but assume good faith...)<br /> <br /> * Final result:<br /> ** Sarah and Jonas: 50<br /> ** Kash: 46<br /> ** Paul: 45<br /> ** Patrick and Emmanuel: 43<br /> ** Vincent: 42<br /> ** Tom: 41<br /> ** Koen: 40<br /> ** Marouan: 37<br /> <br /> * All candidates are elected --&gt; we have a coreteam of 10 people<br /> * Question: is this classification going to have a consequence on how it is organised? This will be up to them, this had not been defined beforehand.<br /> <br /> Going home... with some merchandising<br /> <br /> Bye !</div>

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<p>Sandb: Created page with &quot;= EGA Gent 2013 = == Introduction == Start at 11:00. Introduction speech by Sarah Van Liefferinge. == Proceedings by Jonas == * meeting notes are taken by: Pieter, Vincent (e...&quot;</p> <hr /> <div>= EGA Gent 2013 =<br /> <br /> == Introduction ==<br /> <br /> Start at 11:00. Introduction speech by Sarah Van Liefferinge.<br /> <br /> == Proceedings by Jonas ==<br /> <br /> * meeting notes are taken by: Pieter, Vincent (everyone's welcome)<br /> * selecting people that count the votes; everyone counts all votes; people have been assigned;<br /> <br /> *how many people vote today: 31<br /> * Included in these 31, How many people have a delegated vote: 15<br /> <br /> Agenda:<br /> * 1st period: 11:00-12:30 Coreteam statutes<br /> * 2nd period: 14:00-15:15 Statutes+program<br /> * 3rd period: 15:30-16:45 Statutes+program<br /> * 4th period: 17:00-18:15Coreteam election<br /> * Going home: 18:30<br /> <br /> Documents distributed are online:<br /> * https://docs.google.com/document/d/1c4KwiNEPSrzrJMthaK4XG_lKilnRXJ2GThTufy7g1j8/edit<br /> <br /> == 1st period: Coreteam statutes ==<br /> <br /> === 1. About Coreteam (Statutes : Hoofdstuk II.4 Coreteam - Chapitre II.4 Coreteam) ===<br /> <br /> ==== 1.A. About Coreteam ====<br /> <br /> § 1<br /> <br /> * GENERAL REMARK: coreteam has make sure the work is done, they do not have to do the work themselves per se (delegation)<br /> * remark marr: in practice this might mean often coreteam has to do it themselves<br /> * 1: accepted<br /> <br /> § 2; Integration<br /> <br /> * 2 A: accepted<br /> * 2.B: accepted<br /> * 2 C: accepted<br /> * 2 D:<br /> ** questions on &quot;approving of crews&quot;; this part is removed from the proposition, <br /> ** Adaptation text: <br /> *** (NL) : Het coreteam is een referentie voor nieuwe crews. Ze keurt nieuwe crews goed en helpt ze <br /> *** (FR) : Servir de référence aux nouveaux équipages, approuver et aider les nouveaux équipages<br /> ** accepted (23+/14-)<br /> <br /> Discussion about changing the order on the vote for the next proposals (we are not changing the order)<br /> <br /> § 3; Treasury<br /> <br /> * 3 A: Accepted<br /> * 3 B: Accepted<br /> * 3 C: Accepted<br /> <br /> § 4; Coordination<br /> <br /> * 4 A<br /> ** Clarification requested about &quot;decision that the party has to make&quot; , confirmed to mean &quot;the coreteam just coordinates the decisions, does not make decisions&quot;.<br /> ** accepted<br /> * 4 B<br /> ** clarification: coreteam has make sure the work is done, they do not have to do the work themselves per se (delegation)<br /> ** remark marr: in practice this might mean often coreteam has to do it themselves<br /> ** accepted (+20/-17)<br /> * 4 C: accepted<br /> * 4 D: accepted<br /> <br /> § 5; Paperwork<br /> <br /> * 5 A: accepted<br /> * 5 B: accepted<br /> * 5 C<br /> ** Remark: if coreteam is legally responsible for what's published or done, then we can't let everyone take initiatives without coreteam's approbation<br /> ** Remark paul: let's just vote on logistics not publications=&gt; drop the flyers, campagne, affiches part. Keep webshop.<br /> ** Adaptation text: <br /> *** (FR) : Etre responsable de la logistique du parti et la gestion du webshop, affiches, Flyers, campagne)<br /> *** (NL) : Het coreteam is verantwoordelijk voor de logistiek van de partij en de de webshop, affiches, flyers, posters, campagne) <br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> § 6. International<br /> <br /> * 6 A<br /> ** Remark: PPI requires an &quot;official&quot; person, answer someone will then have to be appointed by or from the coreteam<br /> ** accepted <br /> <br /> § 7; Press<br /> <br /> * 7 A<br /> ** Dutch version of the text missing;<br /> ** (NL) &quot;Het zo snel mogelijk helpen en te woord staan van de pers, het opstellen en ontwikkelen van documentatie over de partij voor de pers, het stimuleren van een zo groot mogelijke media-aandacht voor de partij.&quot;<br /> ** Remark: The Press function is about someone who has the responsibility of getting things done, not about forcing decisions and/or doing all the work by yourself.<br /> ** accepted <br /> <br /> § 8; IT<br /> <br /> * 8 A<br /> **Remark: if coreteam is legally responsible for what's published or done, then we can't let everyone take initiatives without coreteam's approbation<br /> **remark paul: let's just vote on logistics not publications=&gt; drop the flyers, campagne, affiches part. Keep webshop.<br /> ** Adaptation dutch text: <br /> *** (NL) : Het onderhoud van de IT-infrastructuur en de website, de organisatie van geschikte steminfrastructuur tussen de algemene vergaderingen door, de beveiliging van de data van de partij *verzekeren*.<br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> ==== 1.B. Roles inside the Coreteam ====<br /> <br /> § 9; Integration<br /> <br /> * 9 A: rejected<br /> * 9 B: accepted<br /> <br /> § 10; Coordination<br /> <br /> * 10 A: <br /> ** Remarks on the term &quot;region&quot;, it's about communities, why not Brussels? Why not german speakers? It's a question of language and not a question of region.<br /> ** rejected<br /> * 10 B: accepted<br /> <br /> § 11; Press<br /> <br /> * 11 A: rejected<br /> * 11 B: accepted<br /> <br /> § 12; IT<br /> <br /> * 12 A: rejected (14+/21-)<br /> * 12 B: accepted<br /> <br /> § 13; Treasury<br /> <br /> * 13 A: accepted (+27/-13)<br /> * 13 B: void since a is accepted<br /> <br /> § 14; Secretariat<br /> <br /> * 14 A: accepted (+27/-13)<br /> * 14 B: void since a is accepted<br /> <br /> § 15; International<br /> <br /> * 15 A: rejected<br /> * 15 B: accepted<br /> <br /> ==== 1.C. Composition of the coreteam ====<br /> <br /> § 16.<br /> <br /> * 16<br /> ** Clarification: 3 regions are: Flanders Wallonia Brussels<br /> ** Question: what are the conditions to be allowed to represent a regio? (not answered)<br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> § 17<br /> <br /> * 17<br /> ** Clarification: no vote on A and B will mean we have no defined amount of members in the coreteam (not a big deal)<br /> ** Adaptation text: <br /> *** FR : La Coreteam est composée de Maximum<br /> *** NL : Het coreteam bestaat uit maximum<br /> **17 A: rejected (+16/-24)<br /> **17 B: rejected<br /> <br /> § 18<br /> <br /> * 18<br /> ** Proposal to vote 18 and 19 and 20 togegher since only all at the same time make sense (not accepted)<br /> ** Adaptation text: maximum 18 months, and not coreteam but members of the coreteam<br /> *** FR : *Un membre de* la Coreteam est élue pour une période *maximale* de 18 mois<br /> *** NL : *Een lid van* het coreteam is verkozen voor een periode van *maximum* 18 maanden<br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> § 19<br /> <br /> *19<br /> ** Question to be asked by Paul after luch: translation is not accurate: <br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> § 20<br /> <br /> remark: &quot;demissione&quot; en francais n'est pas le mot correct =&gt; membre sortant, en fin de mandat<br /> * 20 A: rejected<br /> * 20 B: rejected<br /> <br /> § 21<br /> <br /> * 21: accepted<br /> <br /> § 22<br /> <br /> * 22: accepted<br /> <br /> == lunch break ==<br /> <br /> Sandwitch sales:<br /> <br /> // count //coupure<br /> cash =<br /> <br /> 2.00000 50.00000<br /> 7.00000 2.00000<br /> 11.00000 1.00000<br /> 3.00000 0.50000<br /> 10.00000 0.20000<br /> 5.00000 0.10000<br /> <br /> octave:15&gt; sum(cash(:,1).*cash(:,2))<br /> ans = 129<br /> <br /> == presentation of projects of members ==<br /> <br /> === presentation squads by vincent &amp; paul ===<br /> <br /> * many squads are sleeping (not active)<br /> * for interested people to activate squads, send mail to vincent or paul<br /> ** e.g. the canabis squad is very chill right now.... :-)<br /> * if you want it, do it<br /> <br /> === get opinionated by Jonas ===<br /> <br /> * Jonas, a friend and Pieter (a little bit) made an implementation of a liquid democray application<br /> * Bit like liquid feedback<br /> * Tailored for managing the statutes and program for the pirate party<br /> <br /> Site: http://opinion.pirateparty.be<br /> <br /> * There is a proposal to vote on it later today.<br /> <br /> == 2nd period: Statutes+program ==<br /> <br /> § 19 revisited<br /> <br /> * 19<br /> ** Question on difference dutch and french version: &quot;verkiest&quot; (elects) vs &quot;renouvellee&quot; (renews)<br /> ** Also remark about the dutch version: says that the &quot;coreteam elects&quot;, while should be &quot;members of the coreteam are elected&quot;<br /> ** Adaptation text:<br /> *** (NL) Een derde van de leden van het coreteam wordt elke zes maanden opnieuw verkozen.<br /> *** (FR) La Corteam est re-elu tous les six mois d'un tiers de ses members..<br /> <br /> ** We will deal with this at a later time.<br /> <br /> === VARIA ===<br /> <br /> ==== Crews and squads ====<br /> <br /> § 23<br /> <br /> *23<br /> ** Adaptation text:<br /> *** (FR) : Tous les *accords internationaux* pris par le Parti Pirate ne sont valables qu'après ratification par l'Assemblée générale. Cela comprend les relations avec le PPI et PPEU.<br /> *** (NL) : Alle *internationale* afspraken die de Piratenpartij aangaat zijn pas geldig na ratificatie op een Algemene vergadering. Dit bevat onder meer de relaties met PPI en PPEU<br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> § 24<br /> <br /> *24: rejected <br /> <br /> ==== Various ====<br /> <br /> § 25.<br /> <br /> *25<br /> ** discussion on what and why<br /> ** rejected<br /> <br /> § 26<br /> <br /> *26<br /> ** Remark: mistake in the French version: should be &quot;tous les accords internationaux&quot; (all international agreements) iso &quot;rendez-vous&quot; (meeting)<br /> ** Text adapted:<br /> *** (NL) Alle internationale afspraken, onder meer die van de PPI en PPEU zijn pas geldig na akkoord van de algemene vergaderin<br /> *** (FR) Tous les accord internationaux ne sont valables qu'apres ratification par l'Assemblee Generale. Cela comprend les relations avec le PPI et PPEU.<br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> ==== Party council / The political forum / Permanent meeting ====<br /> <br /> * General remarks/questions:<br /> ** *Q:* What about not everyone having access to the internet? *A:* It's up to us to provide access to communication tools to our members.<br /> ** *Q:* Is this ment to replace general assembly (point 30)? *A* Point 31 states that the GA has to validate the decisions made by this tool.<br /> <br /> § 27.<br /> <br /> * 27<br /> ** Questions about bindingness, referrals to 31. if approved, propositions need to be approved also on ga before they become effective.<br /> ** What about people with no access to computers: solution is to provide access, not to stop getopinionated<br /> ** Text adapted:<br /> *** (NL) : ... vergadert permanent online en maakt democratische voorstellen via ...<br /> *** (FR) : se réunit en permanence en ligne et fait des proposition démocratiques via ...<br /> ** accepted<br /> <br /> <br /> § 28<br /> <br /> * 28 A: rejected<br /> * 28 C:rejected<br /> * 28 C: difference less than three, post-poned till next general assembly<br /> <br /> § 29<br /> <br /> * 29: accepted<br /> <br /> § 30<br /> <br /> * 30 A<br /> ** orginal version: rejected<br /> ** Text adapted:<br /> *** (FR) proposer des modifications apportées au programme du parti.<br /> *** (NL) wijzigingen voorstellen voor het programma van de partij.<br /> ** modified version: accepted<br /> <br /> * 30 B<br /> ** Original version: rejected<br /> ** Text adapted:<br /> *** (FR) faire des propositions sur l'idéologie du parti.<br /> *** (NL) voorstellen van ideologische partijstandpunten<br /> ** modified version: accepted<br /> <br /> § 31<br /> <br /> * No longer applicable, not voted<br /> <br /> § 32<br /> <br /> * No longer applicable, not voted<br /> <br /> § 33<br /> <br /> * 33: accepted<br /> <br /> § 34<br /> <br /> * 34: accepted<br /> <br /> § 35<br /> <br /> * 35: rejected<br /> <br /> § 36<br /> <br /> * 36: rejected<br /> <br /> § 37<br /> <br /> * 37: rejected<br /> <br /> == Not-statutory propositions ==<br /> <br /> === Creation of a program for the pirate party ===<br /> <br /> _Remark: non statutory means not part of the statutes (non-statutary), but can be referred to as decided on the general assembly of the pirate party._<br /> <br /> § 38.<br /> <br /> *38: accepted<br /> <br /> § 39.<br /> <br /> *39: rejected<br /> <br /> § 40.<br /> <br /> *40: too close to call, postponed<br /> <br /> § 41.<br /> <br /> *41:accepted <br /> <br /> === Programma's themes ===<br /> <br /> § 42. Proposition of themes: <br /> * only suggestions<br /> * voting on this means that the people on the general assembly think this is a good list of things to build a program around<br /> * based on themes of the ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union)<br /> * Q: Add clarification sentence on top that explains what the set of points means, context?<br /> * Q: Skip to 43? voted. accepted. we skip to 43.<br /> * (point 42 was rejected after the vote for 43)<br /> <br /> === Manifest for the pirateparty EU ===<br /> <br /> § 43.<br /> <br /> * 43<br /> ** Manifesto for the Pirate Party EU (as decided in Kiev)<br /> ** If we accept this, the text will be part of our program, and we will be able to join the PPEU.<br /> ** accepted!<br /> <br /> § 42 (re-vote) <br /> <br /> * 42: rejected<br /> <br /> == Coreteam election ==<br /> <br /> * Information about the candidates online available at http://pirateparty.be/candidates-coreteam.<br /> * Votes are secret, do not put your name on the form! <br /> <br /> * How many eligible votes do we have: <br /> ** Members with only one vote: 20<br /> ** Members with one vote and one delegate vote: 14<br /> ** In total, we have 48 eligible votes<br /> <br /> === Presentations ===<br /> <br /> * 7 minutes max per person, <br /> * every candidate of the coreteam explains who he is and why he wants to join the coreteam. Questions after each presentation.<br /> <br /> ==== Kash ====<br /> <br /> * how access to European Parliament? Through the job of his wife<br /> * favorite topic? social entrepreneurship<br /> * Why and how in MR? In the Young MR, to see how politics work. Was in charge of communication<br /> * Where would you like to see the party in 12 months? (just after the elections) at least one person elected, that should be our target. Our party should be a link between citizens and Politics<br /> * Any links with the French pirates? not really, met a few guys<br /> <br /> ==== Emmanuel ====<br /> <br /> * Where would you like to see the party in 12 months and how will you get there? the goal should be to have people elected<br /> * Answer: we need someone elected<br /> * Do you have experience in participating in a board<br /> * (sorry I missed something here...)<br /> * Your core topic? Democracy (liquid) and transparency<br /> <br /> ==== Patrick ====<br /> <br /> * Interested in the way technology can allow people to make better decisions together<br /> * (Experience in another party? yes, PS. Left it now)<br /> * Is Installé your real name ? :-) yes<br /> * Where would you like to see the party in 12 months and how will you get there? 1 elected person or perhaps more. Real charge to help him. <br /> * Do you have time? it's a question of organisation. <br /> * What would you see yourself do in the coreteam? Mainly in the back office, for a project (not regular, at fixed times)<br /> * What is your core topic? Transparency and systems. Nothing is more practical than a good theory<br /> <br /> ==== Axel ====<br /> <br /> * (still discussing his candidature - issue of time)<br /> * removes his candidature right now<br /> * experience at EU Parliament level on communication with Asia<br /> * will stay in full support when needed to professionalise the management of the party, will come to meetings, but in a more informal way, giving advice<br /> <br /> ==== Vincent ====<br /> <br /> * Longer presentation online: http://wiki.pirateparty.be/index.php/Back-up_squad<br /> * (I do not have so much time to give but I will give it - need to put the right tools on the right needs)<br /> * Have you been in a party before? no<br /> * Goal for elections? We are not the only citizens willing to go to politics. we should look for alliance, to avoid dilute votes. Namur crew is in contact with www.constituante.be . If we want to be effective we should not refuse alliances. Elected candidates will need strong support. If no one elected, we should watch what will go on and act still.<br /> * Do you want a cartel with other parties? I do not want a cartel. It is not my goal to go for an alliance. But if someone comes and makes a proposal we should consider it carefully and not reject it directly<br /> * Will you think about political strategy in the frame of the coreteam then? My goal is not to put a direction. I will not push this idea but I am open for it.<br /> * Have you done already some stuff in the coreteam? see link above listing his pirate background. In coreteam: answering emails of new comers, made newsletters... tried to bring some structure, procedures<br /> <br /> ==== Marouan ====<br /> <br /> * (I do not want to be in the coreteam but the job has to be done)<br /> * I will try to fix problems if there are<br /> * Where would you like to see the party in 12 months and how will you get there? I really don't know. 2014 will be an important moment.<br /> * Any experience in another party? 4 years on cdH. Worked for 2 years for Milquet when she was echevin/schepen for Culture. <br /> * What is your contribution you are most proud of as member of the coreteam? I don't know... ...<br /> * (issue with pad sorry)<br /> <br /> ==== Koen ====<br /> <br /> * never been in another party<br /> * Goal around elections: push our opinions, and get elected<br /> * what function in the coreteam would you like to take? would not focus on a specific function, we should just share the load, activate the people<br /> <br /> ==== Tom ====<br /> <br /> * (no political experience)<br /> * see the party rather as a movement. Should not fall in a hole if we do not have someone elected<br /> * where in 12 months? same as doing now. we are here to inform the people.<br /> * your core topic, nearest to your heart? patents<br /> * are you ok that we are running for elections then? sure we are doing politics. but if we focus too much on elections we will loose every one after the elections.<br /> * what's the story about the website? have been through a burn out in fact, feeling like talking to a wall (I guess I am not the only one :-)) I have to learn how to do with it<br /> <br /> ==== Paul ====<br /> <br /> * Motivations: Lot of groups go in the right direction, they'll need political support. Public money is wasted an we need to do something about it.<br /> * Core topics: Finance<br /> * (not in any other party in the past)<br /> * What do you think about the boycott of the worldcup? I agree with that ......<br /> <br /> ==== Sarah ====<br /> <br /> * (one of my main topics: education)<br /> * what do you like-dislike about the pirate party? like freedom, space, liberty, individuals (very different), bad thing is mailing list (leave your ego at home, don't put it on the mailing list)<br /> <br /> ==== Jonas ====<br /> <br /> * (in case of doubt, just vote FOR the people, we need people, a larger core team than over the past few months)<br /> * do what? treasury, open bank account, build a database, ... do what we are lacking now as a pirate party. No representation anymore. I love answering emails<br /> * where do you see the party in one year? I think we have a chance, a reasonable chance. At least we should take the chance. No I want to proffesionnalise the party more.<br /> <br /> === Voting - Counting ===<br /> <br /> * Need 6 people to count the votes, by pairs of two.<br /> * Each candidate needs &gt; 25 votes to be in.<br /> * Vote is secret. You can vote for all candidates if you want.<br /> <br /> * Results: 51 papers counted (not 48... but assume good faith...)<br /> <br /> * Final result:<br /> ** Sarah and Jonas: 50<br /> ** Kash: 46<br /> ** Paul: 45<br /> ** Patrick and Emmanuel: 43<br /> ** Vincent: 42<br /> ** Tom: 41<br /> ** Koen: 40<br /> ** Marouan: 37<br /> <br /> * All candidates are elected --&gt; we have a coreteam of 10 people<br /> * Question: is this classification going to have a consequence on how it is organised? This will be up to them, this had not been defined beforehand.<br /> <br /> Going home... with some merchandising<br /> <br /> Bye !</div>

Sandb https://wiki.pirateparty.be/index.php?title=EGA:2013/06_Gent&diff=9612 2013-07-09T19:40:11Z

<p>Sandb: </p> <hr /> <div>= When - Quand - Wanneer =<br /> <br /> *'''Saturday 29/06''' : 10h<br /> <br /> = Where - Où - Waar =<br /> <br /> http://www.tinnenpot.be/<br /> :[http://maps.google.be/maps?q=tinnenpot+theater&amp;ll=51.050675,3.731918&amp;spn=0.047967,0.132093&amp;fb=1&amp;gl=be&amp;hq=tinnenpot+theater&amp;hnear=0x47c370e1339443ad:0x40099ab2f4d5140,Gent&amp;cid=0,0,5686579769145007642&amp;t=m&amp;z=14&amp;iwloc=A Tinnepottheater]<br /> Tinnenpotstraat 21<br /> 9000 Gent<br /> <br /> = [[Events/EGA2013/Rules_of_procedure|Rules of Procedure]] =<br /> <br /> = [[Events/EGA2013/Announce|Announcement &amp; Practical informations]] =<br /> <br /> *[FR] L'annonce et les infos pratiques sont [[Events/EGA2013/Announce|ICI]].<br /> *[NL] De aankondiging en praktische Info vindt u [[Events/EGA2013/Announce|HIER]].<br /> <br /> = [[Events/EGA:2013/Propositions|Structure Propositions]] =<br /> <br /> * Structure propositions are official once they are mailed to &lt;email&gt;ega2013ATpirateparty.be&lt;/email&gt;. <br /> * The '''deadline''' for submitting proposals is ''May 25th 2013, 23h59 CET''. <br /> * The '''deadline''' for submitting amendments is ''June 15th 2013, 23h59 CET''. <br /> * You can find the propositions already made so far on this [[Events/EGA:2013/Propositions|page]]<br /> <br /> If you want to submit any statute amendment or other proposal write to &lt;email&gt;ega2013ATpirateparty.be&lt;/email&gt;.<br /> <br /> = Meeting notes =<br /> <br /> * See meeting notes at: [[Events/EGA:2013/Meeting Notes]]</div>

Sandb https://wiki.pirateparty.be/index.php?title=Crew_Gent&diff=9085 2013-02-27T00:46:01Z

<p>Sandb: /* Meeting notes */</p> <hr /> <div>{{CrewSidebar<br /> |place= <br /> |street=<br /> |number=<br /> |postalcode=<br /> |city=<br /> |captain=Sarah Van Liefferinge<br /> |navigator=Pieter Iserbyt<br /> |treasurekeeper=none<br /> |crewname=Crew Gent}}<br /> <br /> [[File:LogoGent.png|880px]]<br /> == Introduction ==<br /> <br /> The crew that's currently running Pirate Party Ghent is currently unnamed. It's a bunch of local guys coming together and see what they can do. It's still in an early stage but we hope new crews will pop-up over time.<br /> <br /> == Programma ==<br /> We are setting up a local program: [[Programma van de Gentse Crew]]<br /> <br /> == Mailing list ==<br /> <br /> We have a mailing list for the ghent crew. You can subscribe or unsubscribe at http://pirateparty.be/?page_id=65 . Be sure to subscribe to the one that says &quot;Inschrijven op de mailing list van de Gentse Piraten&quot; :-). This is a very good idea if you want to show up at a meeting.<br /> <br /> == Meetings ==<br /> <br /> === Where ===<br /> <br /> The address is:<br /> <br /> Trefpunt,<br /> Sint-Jacobs 18, <br /> 9000 Gent, Belgium<br /> <br /> [https://maps.google.com/maps?q=trefpunt&amp;hl=en&amp;ll=51.056202,3.728212&amp;spn=0.002397,0.005681&amp;sll=37.0625,-95.677068&amp;sspn=49.089956,93.076172&amp;t=h&amp;hq=trefpunt&amp;radius=15000&amp;z=18&amp;iwloc=A on Google Maps]<br /> <br /> === When ===<br /> <br /> We meet at 20:00 almost every Tuesday. See the [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=6b1c95bdq2g3b392ronb126584%40group.calendar.google.com&amp;ctz=Europe/Brussels calendar] for more precise info.<br /> <br /> === Getting in ===<br /> <br /> * We are usually in a room somewhere upstairs (3rd floor, in the back of the building). Ask the barman where for the pirate party meeting if you need help, he/she should be able to help you out.<br /> <br /> === Protips ===<br /> <br /> * Bring your laptop if you can, there is free internet (most of the time), and you will be able to share in the note-taking.<br /> * Yes, you are welcome if you want to come over!<br /> <br /> == Meeting notes ==<br /> <br /> &lt;small&gt;'''Older meetings:''' [[CrewGent/Meeting01|18 Oct 2011]], [[CrewGent/Meeting02|1 Nov 2011]], [[CrewGent/Meeting03|8 Nov 2011]], [[CrewGent/Meeting04|15 Nov 2011]], [[CrewGent/Meeting05|22 Nov 2011]], [[CrewGent/Meeting06|28 Nov 2011]], [[CrewGent/Meeting07|6 Dec 2011]], [[CrewGent/Meeting08|13 Dec 2011]], [[CrewGent/Meeting09|20 Dec 2011]], [[CrewGent/Meeting10|10 Jan 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting11|17 Jan 2012]], [[CrewGent/ManifestoMeeting|22 Jan 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting12|31 Jan 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting13|7 Feb 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting15|21 Feb 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting16|28 Feb 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting17|6 Maa 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting18|12 Maa 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting19|20 Maa 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting20|27 Maa 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting21|03 Apr 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting22|10 Apr 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting23|24 Apr 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting24|1 Mei 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting25|15 Mei 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting26|22 Mei 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting27|5 Juni 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting28|19 Juni 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting29|26 Juni 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting30|04 Juli 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting31|14 Augustus 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting32|21 Augustus 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting33|28 Augustus 2012]]&lt;/small&gt;<br /> <br /> {|border=&quot;1&quot; cellpadding=&quot;4&quot; width=&quot;400px&quot; style=&quot;border-collapse: collapse; border-spacing: 0; border-width: 1px; border-style: solid; border-color: #000&quot;<br /> !When<br /> !Meeting notes<br /> |-<br /> | 25 September 2012<br /> | [[CrewGent/Meeting37]]<br /> |-<br /> | 02 Oktober 2012<br /> | [[CrewGent/Meeting38]]<br /> |-<br /> | 09 Oktober 2012<br /> | [[CrewGent/Meeting39]]<br /> |-<br /> | 16 Oktober 2012<br /> | [[CrewGent/Meeting40]]<br /> |-<br /> | 23 Oktober 2012<br /> | [[CrewGent/Meeting41]]<br /> |-<br /> | 30 Oktober 2012<br /> | [[CrewGent/Meeting42]]<br /> |- <br /> | 11 November<br /> | [[CrewGent/PpStatutesPreparation]]<br /> |- <br /> | 14 November 2012<br /> | [[CrewGent/Meeting43]]<br /> |- <br /> | 20 November 2012<br /> | [[CrewGent/Meeting44]]<br /> |- <br /> | 4 December 2012<br /> | [[CrewGent/Meeting45]]<br /> |- <br /> | 18 December 2012<br /> | [[CrewGent/Meeting46]]<br /> |- <br /> | 14 Januari 2013<br /> | [[CrewGent/Meeting47]]<br /> |- <br /> | 30 Januari 2013<br /> | [[CrewGent/Meeting48]]<br /> |- <br /> | 5 Februari 2013<br /> | [[CrewGent/Meeting49]]<br /> |- <br /> | 12 Februari 2013<br /> | [[CrewGent/Meeting50]]<br /> |- <br /> | 19 Februari 2013<br /> | [[CrewGent/Meeting51]]<br /> |-<br /> | 26 Februari 2013<br /> | http://pirateparty.be/node/603<br /> |}<br /> <br /> == Current Projects ==<br /> * We are currently trying to compile a manifesto for CrewGent; draft currently at [[CrewGent/CrewGentManifesto]].<br /> * 2012 elections<br /> ** Results of the last local elections in [http://www.ibzdgip.fgov.be/result/nl/result_ko.php?date=2000-10-08&amp;vt=CG&amp;ko_type=KO_CG&amp;ko=892&amp;party_id= Ghent].<br /> ** Gathering info on [[CrewGent/Sabam|Sabam]]<br /> ** [[CrewGent/Elections2012Onkosten|Onkosten gemaakt voor de verkiezingen]]<br /> <br /> == Past Projects ==<br /> <br /> * We did some awesome projection of the Pirate Logo on the Light Festival of Ghent 2012. [https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.294096023982498.72206.242254335833334&amp;type=1 Pictures]<br /> <br /> == Other ==<br /> <br /> * Inventory of [[CrewGent/goodies|goodies]] for the Ghent Crew<br /> <br /> == Faq ==<br /> <br /> * ''Taalgebruik: Engels?'' -&gt; neen, Nederlands of Engels, maakt niet uit. Engels = iets meer toegankelijker voor iedereen in Belgie, Nederlands = meest gebruikte taal in Gent. Expect a mix of Dutch and English on this site, dutch will be used more often during the meetings IRL.<br /> <br /> * ''Edit / add something on the wiki?'' Use the 'edit'-tab or for certain sections the 'edit'-hyperlink to edit a page. Don't forget that when you save, you'll have to solve a simple sum that appears above the textbox, after which you need to click 'Save page' again before your changes get saved.<br /> <br /> * ''IT related stuff?'' If you need to contact the IT workgroup, you can do so at ''itwerkgroep @t pirateparty d0t be''.<br /> <br /> == See also ==<br /> <br /> * you can also find us on our [http://www.facebook.com/pages/Piratenpartij-Gent/242254335833334 facebook page]<br /> * you can subscribe to the [http://www.facebook.com/feeds/page.php?format=atom10&amp;id=242254335833334 rss feed] of that facebook page<br /> * we have a blog: http://ppgent.wordpress.com<br /> * our twitter account is https://twitter.com/ppgent</div>

Sandb https://wiki.pirateparty.be/index.php?title=Crew_Gent/Meeting/19_02_2013&diff=9014 2013-02-19T21:46:49Z

<p>Sandb: </p> <hr /> <div>=== Pirate Beers ===<br /> * meer volk aantrekken: sharen en uitnodigen !!<br /> * volgende: 5 maart<br /> <br /> === Homemade tool &quot;Liquid Feedback&quot;: GetOpiniated website ===<br /> * Probeersel van Jonas, Jens en Pieter<br /> * Volop in development<br /> * Source code op https://github.com/sandb/getopinionated<br /> * Licensie zal GPL 3 zijn<br /> * Eventueel extra codeer handen vanuit Barcelona<br /> <br /> === Gentse Lente : 21 maart===<br /> * Gaat het nog door? Ja!<br /> * standje in de rand, nt op het podium<br /> * handtekeningen verzamelen !!<br /> * leden werven<br /> * Jonas oefent nog steeds op ballonplooien<br /> * vlaggen en banners<br /> * kleine stickertjes<br /> * badges: machine in Trefpunt van Jonas???<br /> ** wel nog aan blikken plaatjes te geraken ergens<br /> * teksten / manifesten<br /> * videogame spelen ???<br /> <br /> === GA 2013 ===<br /> * zaal 'De Centrale'? nein<br /> * We hebben een zaal in Bxl: bij de FOD Financien<br /> <br /> === Website ===<br /> * In laatste fase, looking good<br /> * Systeem van peer review wordt verder uitgewerkt<br /> * Discussie over:<br /> ** content: internationaal - Belgisch nieuws<br /> ** talen / vertalen<br /> <br /> === Vermeylenfonds Vzw organiseert: exclusieve salondebatten ===<br /> * exclusief voor studenten<br /> * 6/03 om 19u : Amelia Andersdotter<br /> * Café De Geus van Gent<br /> * http://salondebatten.wordpress.com/<br /> <br /> === TODOs ===<br /> * kijken voor stickers: jonas heeft er al 20 voor 5 euro. wie doet beter<br /> * wim checkt bij jonas voor button machine<br /> <br /> === volgende week ===<br /> * Gewone meeting<br /> * Trefpunt 20u.</div>

Sandb https://wiki.pirateparty.be/index.php?title=Crew_Gent/Meeting/12_02_2013&diff=8849 2013-02-12T23:13:07Z

<p>Sandb: </p> <hr /> <div>===Handtekeningen verzamelen===<br /> * documenten voor 2014 zijn beschikbaar<br /> ** 1 document per persoon per verkiezing (Vlaams Parlement, Kamer van Volksvertegenwoordigers (federaal), Europees Parlement)<br /> ** 5000 in Vlaanderen, 5000 in Wallonië<br /> ** Dus 30.000 in totaal voor Belgie voor de drie verkiezingen.<br /> ** de enige manier om dit te halen is om dit nu te starten! (en dan nog)<br /> * Indienen:<br /> ** 80 dagen voor de verkiezingen <br /> *** ten vroegste indienen<br /> *** kunnen we zegels van de gemeente krijgen voor op de documenten<br /> *** dead-line unknown<br /> <br /> * site maken om:<br /> ** mensen te laten aangeven dat ze willen tekenen en toelaat om af te spreken en langs te gaan.<br /> ** mensen te laten verwittigen dat ze een aantal handtekeningen liggen hebben en ons toe laat om ze op te halen.<br /> <br /> * carbon papier gebruiken om sneller in te vullen?<br /> * eid reader + tablet<br /> * er zal waarschijnlijk wel een contactpunt zijn voor vragen over mogelijk automatisaties (carbon, eid, ...)<br /> <br /> ===Pirate Parley Antwerpen: intellectual property - 9/02/2013===<br /> * Noodzakelijke voorwaarden geslaagd debat:<br /> ** neutrale moderator (geen piraat)<br /> ** voorstellingsronde deelnemers/iedereen die aan het woord komt<br /> ** op voorhand duidelijke afspraken over concept: sprekers informeren<br /> ** beamer<br /> <br /> ===Parijs: internationale meeting - 9-10/02/2013===<br /> * hoewast?<br /> * jonas nie geweest nie<br /> * paul is geweest, <br /> ** naar het schijnt productief<br /> ** vergaderd over europese partijen<br /> ** voorstel is gemaakt, allen partijen die het goedkeuren gaan verder met het project<br /> ** partijen die niet ja zeggen doen de verkiezingen op zichzelf.<br /> ** voorstel wordt door Belgie op de volgende EGA gestemd.<br /> <br /> * Volgende vergadering in Kazan, Rusland? / Brussel ?<br /> ** De datum wordt binnen de twee weken bekend gemaakt.<br /> ** Wegens grote afstand zou het eventueel mogelijk zijn om via streaming te volgen in Bxl. Mab organiseert.<br /> ** Participation fee 35euro minimum.<br /> ** 14h traintrip, beautiful landscapes<br /> ** http://wiki.pp-international.net/GA-2013_Call_for_Hosts#Russia.2C_Kazan<br /> <br /> ===Nieuwe website===<br /> * http://pirateparty.be/<br /> <br /> === Gentse Lente 21 maart 2013===<br /> * wat? hoe? wie?<br /> * http://www.piratepad.be/p/ppgent-speech<br /> <br /> * doel is de woorden allochtoon en autochtoon symbolish te begraven<br /> * podium aan artiesten met en zonder migratie achtergrond<br /> <br /> * voorstellen<br /> ** speech, zeggen dat we ze steunen, en we we zijn<br /> ** stand om handtekeningen te verzamelen<br /> ** classic computer games wedstrijd, met grote finale op groot scherm. winnaar is gentse lente piraat van 2013.<br /> <br /> * op zoek gaan naar mensen die in de organisatie zitten zodat we onze ideeen over wat we gaan doen kunnen aftoetsen met de organisatie, zien of het een goed idee is, enz... <br /> <br /> ===GA 23-24 maart===<br /> * Gentse zaal?<br /> ** De Centrale - Kelderzaal? 250€/dag - capaciteit 200 man. Mailtje verzonden voor Kelderzaal. Pieter heeft het gedaan!<br /> ** Geuzenhuis? Pieter heeft het weer niet gedaan. Jonas nu wel, mailtje verzonden voor Zuilenzaal<br /> ** Nebo boot? geen verhuur meer<br /> ** Aula UGent? kan niet<br /> <br /> * Tekst waarden en principes<br /> ** 1) Piraten zijn wereldburgers, Piraten zijn een globale beweging.<br /> ** 2) Piraten komen op voor burgerrechten en willen de macht weer bij de burger leggen.<br /> ** 3) De burger heeft recht op privacy.<br /> ** 4) Individuele vrijheid samen met verantwoordelijkheid voor de maatschappij waarin je leeft.<br /> ** 5) Herverdeling van welvaart, we zijn tegen excessen, maar willen zeker ook geen nivellering.<br /> ** 6) We in een economie die bestaat uit vele kleine ondernemingen en initiatieven, eerder dan uit enkele grote en zeer grote bedrijven.<br /> ** 7) Piraten zijn vrienden van de vrijheid en menselijke waardigheid, zijn onafhankelijk, autonoom en keuren blinde goedkeuring af. <br /> ** 8) Piraten staan voor zelf-determinatie en vrije meningsuiting. <br /> ** 9) Piraten dragen de verantwoordelijkheid die met deze vrijheid komt. (zelfbeschikkingsrecht)<br /> ** 10) Piraten zijn creatief, nieuwsgierig en leggen zich niet neer bij de status quo. Ze gaan het systeem aan, zoeken naar zwakke punten en zoeken manieren om die te corrigeren. Piraten willen leren van hun fouten.<br /> ** 11) Piraten zijn vredelievend. Ze keuren daarom doden en de afbraak van ons milieu af. Ze streven naar een duurzaam evenwicht met de natuur en houden rekening met de eindigheid van haar bronnen.<br /> ** 12) Piraten staan voor het onderhouden van de natuur en zijn bronnen.<br /> ** 13) Piraten zijn voor een zo groot mogelijke toegang tot kennis en cultuur voor een zo groot mogelijke groep uit onze maatschappij<br /> ** 14) Piraten zijn positief, we zijn liever ergens voor, dan tegen.<br /> ** 15) Piraten zijn voor een duidelijke scheiding tussen geloof en staat en zien vrij geloof als een onderdeel van vrije meningsuiting.<br /> ** 16) Een directere vorm van democratie in ons bestuur. Burgers hebben steeds recht op inspraak.<br /> ** 17) Het is belangrijk om iedereen te stimuleren te participeren in en het sociale weefsel van onze maatschappij.<br /> ** 18) Alle samenlevingsvormen moeten gelijkwaardig zijn.<br /> ** 19) Aandacht naar werkelijke, echte gelijkwaardigheid tussen genders, zonder hokjesdenken. Iedereen heeft het recht om samen te leven zoals hij zelf verkiest.<br /> ** 20) Piraten willen het generatieconflict oplossen.<br /> <br /> === Nieuwe Anti-terrorisme wetgeving in Belgie === <br /> * http://www.pvda.be/nieuws/artikel/aanzetten-tot-terrorisme-op-zoek-naar-de-osama-in-u.html</div>

Sandb https://wiki.pirateparty.be/index.php?title=Crew_Gent/Meeting/30_01_2013&diff=8676 2013-01-29T23:12:37Z

<p>Sandb: Created page with &quot;== Piratenpartei Niedersachsen == * Gn goeie uitslag, 2% * Teveel focus op internet thema&#039;s (vrij internet, copyright) om een breed publiek te interesseren? * campagne kosten 90...&quot;</p> <hr /> <div>== Piratenpartei Niedersachsen ==<br /> * Gn goeie uitslag, 2%<br /> * Teveel focus op internet thema's (vrij internet, copyright) om een breed publiek te interesseren?<br /> * campagne kosten 90000 euros<br /> ** 30000 van kas<br /> ** 30000 van lidgeld (48 euro per jaar / oftwel liefst 1% euro per jaar)<br /> ** crowdfunding per project (affiches, etc,...)<br /> ** iemand die 15000 euro voor euro bijgelegd heeft, waardoor<br /> * campagnetip: ballonnen plooien in vorm van zwaard. terwijl kindjes wachten worden ouders piraat-geïnformeerd. Jonas oefent vanaf nu elke dag in ballon-plooien.<br /> <br /> == Jonge Piraten ==<br /> * leden van 4 van de 5 provincies vereist<br /> ** komt met subsidies<br /> ** 6 modules, 3 modules moeten verwezenlijkt worden, en dan krijg je subsiedies<br /> ** module is een activiteit, verwezenlijking<br /> ** 55000 bij aanvang (wanneer je start, met doelstelling om op zijn minst 3 doelstelling te verwezelijken)<br /> ** mensen gezocht<br /> ** is op het vlaamse niveau<br /> ** leden mogen tot en met 30 jaar zijn<br /> ** &quot;Jong Piraat&quot;<br /> ** goal is ASAP. <br /> ** zeker niveau van administratie<br /> *** vzw oprichten: http://www.vsdc.be/NL/index.php kan een help zijn<br /> ** wat zijn de beperkingen van besteding<br /> * jonge pirate piraten in europa<br /> ** extra subsidies van europa<br /> ** 5 landen organisaties nodig<br /> ** Belgie is het vijfde land<br /> <br /> == Volgende week vergadering of drink? ==<br /> * hervorming huidig systeem <br /> * volgende week in ieder geval pirate drink, bij Trefpunt<br /> * terzelfder tijd: Wetenschaps cafe in zebrastraat over de opkomst van kapitalisme in China.<br /> <br /> == lokalen gent EGA ==<br /> * 140 man nodig<br /> * 23/24 maart<br /> <br /> == Gentse lente: inclusief gent, anti racisme ==<br /> * Iets doen<br /> * Link facebook: uitnodiging nodig: <br /> <br /> == De Gentse Lente ==<br /> * 21 maart 2013 = Internationale Dag tegen Racisme<br /> * Uitgangspunten en Doelen: <br /> ** Nieuw en fris beleid gericht op een insluitend Gents burgerschap. <br /> ** Overstijgen van een steriel wij-zij denken en gaan voor een gedeelde stads- of wijkgemeenschap Iedereen aanwezig op het Gentse grondgebied deel uitmaakt van de Gentse gemeenschap. <br /> ** Alledaagse participatie van mensen aan die stad. ‘Iedereen is Gent’.<br /> * Piratenpartij Gent is uitgenodigd om deel uit te maken van evenement<br /> * http://www.facebook.com/groups/368542239896747<br /> <br /> == verkiezingen 2014 ==<br /> * handtekeningen beginnen verzamelen: 5500 per provincie (denken we. checken!!!!)<br /> ** alternatief: Parlementsleden vinden <br /> ** 3 handtekeninglijsten: gewestelijk, federaal en Europees ??? 1 persoon mag driedubbel ondertekenen, maar slechts voor één partij!!<br /> ** deadline ???<br /> * discussie over handtekeningen vlaams belang vorige verkiezigen<br /> ** enkele heel sterke meningen tegen.<br /> ** opmerking klaas: Iedereen zou lid moeten mogen zijn van piraten partij; eigenlijk spijtig dat op vorige EGA gestemd is dat je niet lid kan zijn van een andere partij (vb. het vlaams belang) en de piraten partij<br /> ** zoiezo, iedereen heel erg eens, racisme heeft geen plaats in de piraten partij<br /> * timeline: voorbereiding<br /> ** debatten? lezingen? evenementen?<br /> <br /> == volgende GA Piratenpartij 23-24 maart ==<br /> * voorbereiding: tekst met waarden, principes<br /> 1) Piraten zijn wereldburgers, cosmopolitisch, hechten geen belang grenzen.<br /> 2) Piraten komen op voor burgerrechten en willen de macht weer bij de burger leggen. De burger heeft recht op privacy.<br /> 4) Individuele vrijheid samen met verantwoordelijkheid voor de maatschappij waarin je leeft.<br /> 5) Herverdeling van welvaart, we zijn tegen excessen, maar willen zeker ook geen nivellering.<br /> 6) We in een economie die bestaat uit vele kleine bedrijven, eerder dan uit enkele grote en zeer grote bedrijven.<br /> 7) Piraten zijn vrienden van de vrijheid, zijn onafhankelijk, autonoom en keuren blinde goedkeuring af. Ze staan voor zelf-determinatie en vrije meningsuiting. Piraten dragen de verantwoordelijkheid die met deze vrijheid komt. (zelfbeschikkingsrecht)<br /> 8) Piraten zijn creatief, nieuwsgierig en leggen zich niet neer bij de status quo. Ze gaan het systeem aan, zoeken naar zwakke punten en zoeken manieren om die te corrigeren. Piraten willen leren van hun fouten.<br /> 9) Piraten zijn vredelievend. Ze keuren daarom doden en de afbraak van ons milieu af. <br /> 10) Piraten staan voor het onderhouden van de natuur en zijn bronnen.<br /> 11) Piraten zijn een globale beweging.<br /> 12) Piraten zijn positief, we zijn liever ergens voor, dan tegen.<br /> 13) Piraten zijn voor sterke scheiding tussen geloof en staat en zien vrij geloof als een onderdeel van vrije meningsuiting.<br /> 14) Een directere vorm van democratie in ons bestuur. Burgers hebben steeds recht op inspraak.<br /> 15) Het is belangrijk om iedereen te stimuleren te participeren in en het sociale weefsel van onze maatschappij. <br /> 16) Alle samenlevingsvormen moeten gelijkwaardig zijn.<br /> 17) Aandacht naar werkelijke, echte gelijkwaardigheid tussen genders, die eigenlijk niet meer van tel mogen zijn.<br /> <br /> == Engstrom over europa ==<br /> * voor hervorming, meer democratie en transparantie<br /> * over Cameron, en de manier waarop Engeland lijkt zich terug te trekken<br /> * voor subsidiariteits principe, als je kan, beslissingen beter op een lager niveau nemen dan hoger<br /> <br /> == Tool Liquid Feedback ==<br /> * work in progress<br /> * samengekomen afgelopen vrijdagavond en zondag.<br /> * je kunt al upvoten<br /> <br /> == website Piratenpartij ==<br /> * content: artikels<br /> <br /> == artikel wereldmorgen ==<br /> * conflict blog vs inzending<br /> * artikel gepubliceerd, maar dan vervangen door blogpost, klein beetje ongelukkig<br /> * wereld morgen gaat niet achter een paywall<br /> * Sarah van Lieffertinghe domineerde de voorpagina van dewereldmorgen!!</div>

Sandb https://wiki.pirateparty.be/index.php?title=Crew_Gent/Meeting/14_01_2013&diff=8557 2013-01-14T12:06:06Z

<p>Sandb: Created page with &quot;== agenda ==&quot;</p> <hr /> <div>== agenda ==</div>

Sandb https://wiki.pirateparty.be/index.php?title=Crew_Gent&diff=8556 2013-01-14T12:05:36Z

<p>Sandb: /* Meeting notes */</p> <hr /> <div>{{CrewSidebar<br /> |place= <br /> |street=<br /> |number=<br /> |postalcode=<br /> |city=<br /> |captain=Sarah Van Liefferinge<br /> |navigator=Pieter Iserbyt<br /> |treasurekeeper=none<br /> |crewname=Crew Gent}}<br /> <br /> [[File:LogoGent.png|400px]]<br /> == Introduction ==<br /> <br /> The crew that's currently running Pirate Party Ghent is currently unnamed. It's a bunch of local guys coming together and see what they can do. It's still in an early stage but we hope new crews will pop-up over time.<br /> <br /> == Programma ==<br /> We are setting up a local program: [[Programma van de Gentse Crew]]<br /> <br /> == Mailing list ==<br /> <br /> We have a mailing list for the ghent crew. You can subscribe or unsubscribe at http://pirateparty.be/?page_id=65 . Be sure to subscribe to the one that says &quot;Inschrijven op de mailing list van de Gentse Piraten&quot; :-). This is a very good idea if you want to show up at a meeting.<br /> <br /> == Meetings ==<br /> <br /> === Where ===<br /> <br /> The address is:<br /> <br /> Trefpunt,<br /> Sint-Jacobs 18, <br /> 9000 Gent, Belgium<br /> <br /> [https://maps.google.com/maps?q=trefpunt&amp;hl=en&amp;ll=51.056202,3.728212&amp;spn=0.002397,0.005681&amp;sll=37.0625,-95.677068&amp;sspn=49.089956,93.076172&amp;t=h&amp;hq=trefpunt&amp;radius=15000&amp;z=18&amp;iwloc=A on Google Maps]<br /> <br /> === When ===<br /> <br /> We meet at 20:00 almost every Tuesday. See the [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=6b1c95bdq2g3b392ronb126584%40group.calendar.google.com&amp;ctz=Europe/Brussels calendar] for more precise info.<br /> <br /> === Getting in ===<br /> <br /> * We are usually in a room somewhere upstairs (3rd floor, in the back of the building). Ask the barman where for the pirate party meeting if you need help, he/she should be able to help you out.<br /> <br /> === Protips ===<br /> <br /> * Bring your laptop if you can, there is free internet (most of the time), and you will be able to share in the note-taking.<br /> * Yes, you are welcome if you want to come over!<br /> <br /> == Meeting notes ==<br /> <br /> &lt;small&gt;'''Older meetings:''' [[CrewGent/Meeting01|18 Oct 2011]], [[CrewGent/Meeting02|1 Nov 2011]], [[CrewGent/Meeting03|8 Nov 2011]], [[CrewGent/Meeting04|15 Nov 2011]], [[CrewGent/Meeting05|22 Nov 2011]], [[CrewGent/Meeting06|28 Nov 2011]], [[CrewGent/Meeting07|6 Dec 2011]], [[CrewGent/Meeting08|13 Dec 2011]], [[CrewGent/Meeting09|20 Dec 2011]], [[CrewGent/Meeting10|10 Jan 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting11|17 Jan 2012]], [[CrewGent/ManifestoMeeting|22 Jan 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting12|31 Jan 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting13|7 Feb 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting15|21 Feb 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting16|28 Feb 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting17|6 Maa 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting18|12 Maa 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting19|20 Maa 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting20|27 Maa 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting21|03 Apr 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting22|10 Apr 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting23|24 Apr 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting24|1 Mei 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting25|15 Mei 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting26|22 Mei 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting27|5 Juni 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting28|19 Juni 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting29|26 Juni 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting30|04 Juli 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting31|14 Augustus 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting32|21 Augustus 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting33|28 Augustus 2012]]&lt;/small&gt;<br /> <br /> {|border=&quot;1&quot; cellpadding=&quot;4&quot; width=&quot;400px&quot; style=&quot;border-collapse: collapse; border-spacing: 0; border-width: 1px; border-style: solid; border-color: #000&quot;<br /> !When<br /> !Meeting notes<br /> |-<br /> | 25 September 2012<br /> | [[CrewGent/Meeting37]]<br /> |-<br /> | 02 Oktober 2012<br /> | [[CrewGent/Meeting38]]<br /> |-<br /> | 09 Oktober 2012<br /> | [[CrewGent/Meeting39]]<br /> |-<br /> | 16 Oktober 2012<br /> | [[CrewGent/Meeting40]]<br /> |-<br /> | 23 Oktober 2012<br /> | [[CrewGent/Meeting41]]<br /> |-<br /> | 30 Oktober 2012<br /> | [[CrewGent/Meeting42]]<br /> |- <br /> | 11 November<br /> | [[CrewGent/PpStatutesPreparation]]<br /> |- <br /> | 14 November 2012<br /> | [[CrewGent/Meeting43]]<br /> |- <br /> | 20 November 2012<br /> | [[CrewGent/Meeting44]]<br /> |- <br /> | 4 December 2012<br /> | [[CrewGent/Meeting45]]<br /> |- <br /> | 18 December 2012<br /> | [[CrewGent/Meeting46]]<br /> |- <br /> | 14 Januari 2012<br /> | [[CrewGent/Meeting47]]<br /> |}<br /> <br /> == Current Projects ==<br /> * We are currently trying to compile a manifesto for CrewGent; draft currently at [[CrewGent/CrewGentManifesto]].<br /> * 2012 elections<br /> ** Results of the last local elections in [http://www.ibzdgip.fgov.be/result/nl/result_ko.php?date=2000-10-08&amp;vt=CG&amp;ko_type=KO_CG&amp;ko=892&amp;party_id= Ghent].<br /> ** Gathering info on [[CrewGent/Sabam|Sabam]]<br /> ** [[CrewGent/Elections2012Onkosten|Onkosten gemaakt voor de verkiezingen]]<br /> <br /> == Past Projects ==<br /> <br /> * We did some awesome projection of the Pirate Logo on the Light Festival of Ghent 2012. [https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.294096023982498.72206.242254335833334&amp;type=1 Pictures]<br /> <br /> == Other ==<br /> <br /> * Inventory of [[CrewGent/goodies|goodies]] for the Ghent Crew<br /> <br /> == Faq ==<br /> <br /> * ''Taalgebruik: Engels?'' -&gt; neen, Nederlands of Engels, maakt niet uit. Engels = iets meer toegankelijker voor iedereen in Belgie, Nederlands = meest gebruikte taal in Gent. Expect a mix of Dutch and English on this site, dutch will be used more often during the meetings IRL.<br /> <br /> * ''Edit / add something on the wiki?'' Use the 'edit'-tab or for certain sections the 'edit'-hyperlink to edit a page. Don't forget that when you save, you'll have to solve a simple sum that appears above the textbox, after which you need to click 'Save page' again before your changes get saved.<br /> <br /> * ''IT related stuff?'' If you need to contact the IT workgroup, you can do so at ''itwerkgroep @t pirateparty d0t be''.<br /> <br /> == See also ==<br /> <br /> * you can also find us on our [http://www.facebook.com/pages/Piratenpartij-Gent/242254335833334 facebook page]<br /> * you can subscribe to the [http://www.facebook.com/feeds/page.php?format=atom10&amp;id=242254335833334 rss feed] of that facebook page<br /> * we have a blog: http://ppgent.wordpress.com<br /> * our twitter account is https://twitter.com/ppgent</div>

Sandb https://wiki.pirateparty.be/index.php?title=Crew_Gent/Meeting/18_12_2012&diff=8421 2013-01-07T11:54:49Z

<p>Sandb: </p> <hr /> <div>== agenda ==<br /> * practisch EGA 2012<br /> <br /> == EGA 2012 Praktisch ==<br /> <br /> * Daar om 10:16<br /> <br /> * Auto Pieter, Klaas, Wim R.<br /> ** Wim om 8u45<br /> ** Klaas om 9u00<br /> ** Nog een plaats<br /> <br /> * Eventueel 2de auto sarah<br /> ** nog 3 extra plaatsen.<br /> <br /> * Materiaal<br /> ** Prise blokken / domino's meenemen<br /> ** Ethernet kabels<br /> ** Grote switch? Pieter misch Hackerspace<br /> ** Wifi: als we willen zelf voorzien? Meerdere accesspoints? Zien --<br /> ** Ethernet will be 100 M/s<br /> <br /> == Reading materials ==<br /> * Copyright Reform distributed<br /> * Free Ride by R. Levine: the enemy's point of view<br /> <br /> == Nieuwe Kapitein ==<br /> * nieuwe kapitein: Sarah!<br /> * nieuwe navigator: Pieter!</div>

Sandb https://wiki.pirateparty.be/index.php?title=Crew_Gent&diff=8420 2013-01-07T11:09:39Z

<p>Sandb: </p> <hr /> <div>{{CrewSidebar<br /> |place= <br /> |street=<br /> |number=<br /> |postalcode=<br /> |city=<br /> |captain=Sarah Van Liefferinge<br /> |navigator=Pieter Iserbyt<br /> |treasurekeeper=none<br /> |crewname=Crew Gent}}<br /> <br /> [[File:LogoGent.png|400px]]<br /> == Introduction ==<br /> <br /> The crew that's currently running Pirate Party Ghent is currently unnamed. It's a bunch of local guys coming together and see what they can do. It's still in an early stage but we hope new crews will pop-up over time.<br /> <br /> == Programma ==<br /> We are setting up a local program: [[Programma van de Gentse Crew]]<br /> <br /> == Mailing list ==<br /> <br /> We have a mailing list for the ghent crew. You can subscribe or unsubscribe at http://pirateparty.be/?page_id=65 . Be sure to subscribe to the one that says &quot;Inschrijven op de mailing list van de Gentse Piraten&quot; :-). This is a very good idea if you want to show up at a meeting.<br /> <br /> == Meetings ==<br /> <br /> === Where ===<br /> <br /> The address is:<br /> <br /> Trefpunt,<br /> Sint-Jacobs 18, <br /> 9000 Gent, Belgium<br /> <br /> [https://maps.google.com/maps?q=trefpunt&amp;hl=en&amp;ll=51.056202,3.728212&amp;spn=0.002397,0.005681&amp;sll=37.0625,-95.677068&amp;sspn=49.089956,93.076172&amp;t=h&amp;hq=trefpunt&amp;radius=15000&amp;z=18&amp;iwloc=A on Google Maps]<br /> <br /> === When ===<br /> <br /> We meet at 20:00 almost every Tuesday. See the [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=6b1c95bdq2g3b392ronb126584%40group.calendar.google.com&amp;ctz=Europe/Brussels calendar] for more precise info.<br /> <br /> === Getting in ===<br /> <br /> * We are usually in a room somewhere upstairs (3rd floor, in the back of the building). Ask the barman where for the pirate party meeting if you need help, he/she should be able to help you out.<br /> <br /> === Protips ===<br /> <br /> * Bring your laptop if you can, there is free internet (most of the time), and you will be able to share in the note-taking.<br /> * Yes, you are welcome if you want to come over!<br /> <br /> == Meeting notes ==<br /> <br /> &lt;small&gt;'''Older meetings:''' [[CrewGent/Meeting01|18 Oct 2011]], [[CrewGent/Meeting02|1 Nov 2011]], [[CrewGent/Meeting03|8 Nov 2011]], [[CrewGent/Meeting04|15 Nov 2011]], [[CrewGent/Meeting05|22 Nov 2011]], [[CrewGent/Meeting06|28 Nov 2011]], [[CrewGent/Meeting07|6 Dec 2011]], [[CrewGent/Meeting08|13 Dec 2011]], [[CrewGent/Meeting09|20 Dec 2011]], [[CrewGent/Meeting10|10 Jan 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting11|17 Jan 2012]], [[CrewGent/ManifestoMeeting|22 Jan 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting12|31 Jan 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting13|7 Feb 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting15|21 Feb 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting16|28 Feb 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting17|6 Maa 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting18|12 Maa 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting19|20 Maa 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting20|27 Maa 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting21|03 Apr 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting22|10 Apr 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting23|24 Apr 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting24|1 Mei 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting25|15 Mei 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting26|22 Mei 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting27|5 Juni 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting28|19 Juni 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting29|26 Juni 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting30|04 Juli 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting31|14 Augustus 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting32|21 Augustus 2012]], [[CrewGent/Meeting33|28 Augustus 2012]]&lt;/small&gt;<br /> <br /> {|border=&quot;1&quot; cellpadding=&quot;4&quot; width=&quot;400px&quot; style=&quot;border-collapse: collapse; border-spacing: 0; border-width: 1px; border-style: solid; border-color: #000&quot;<br /> !When<br /> !Meeting notes<br /> |-<br /> | 25 September 2012<br /> | [[CrewGent/Meeting37]]<br /> |-<br /> | 02 Oktober 2012<br /> | [[CrewGent/Meeting38]]<br /> |-<br /> | 09 Oktober 2012<br /> | [[CrewGent/Meeting39]]<br /> |-<br /> | 16 Oktober 2012<br /> | [[CrewGent/Meeting40]]<br /> |-<br /> | 23 Oktober 2012<br /> | [[CrewGent/Meeting41]]<br /> |-<br /> | 30 Oktober 2012<br /> | [[CrewGent/Meeting42]]<br /> |- <br /> | 11 November<br /> | [[CrewGent/PpStatutesPreparation]]<br /> |- <br /> | 14 November 2012<br /> | [[CrewGent/Meeting43]]<br /> |- <br /> | 20 November 2012<br /> | [[CrewGent/Meeting44]]<br /> |- <br /> | 4 December 2012<br /> | [[CrewGent/Meeting45]]<br /> |- <br /> | 18 December 2012<br /> | [[CrewGent/Meeting46]]<br /> |}<br /> <br /> == Current Projects ==<br /> * We are currently trying to compile a manifesto for CrewGent; draft currently at [[CrewGent/CrewGentManifesto]].<br /> * 2012 elections<br /> ** Results of the last local elections in [http://www.ibzdgip.fgov.be/result/nl/result_ko.php?date=2000-10-08&amp;vt=CG&amp;ko_type=KO_CG&amp;ko=892&amp;party_id= Ghent].<br /> ** Gathering info on [[CrewGent/Sabam|Sabam]]<br /> ** [[CrewGent/Elections2012Onkosten|Onkosten gemaakt voor de verkiezingen]]<br /> <br /> == Past Projects ==<br /> <br /> * We did some awesome projection of the Pirate Logo on the Light Festival of Ghent 2012. [https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.294096023982498.72206.242254335833334&amp;type=1 Pictures]<br /> <br /> == Other ==<br /> <br /> * Inventory of [[CrewGent/goodies|goodies]] for the Ghent Crew<br /> <br /> == Faq ==<br /> <br /> * ''Taalgebruik: Engels?'' -&gt; neen, Nederlands of Engels, maakt niet uit. Engels = iets meer toegankelijker voor iedereen in Belgie, Nederlands = meest gebruikte taal in Gent. Expect a mix of Dutch and English on this site, dutch will be used more often during the meetings IRL.<br /> <br /> * ''Edit / add something on the wiki?'' Use the 'edit'-tab or for certain sections the 'edit'-hyperlink to edit a page. Don't forget that when you save, you'll have to solve a simple sum that appears above the textbox, after which you need to click 'Save page' again before your changes get saved.<br /> <br /> * ''IT related stuff?'' If you need to contact the IT workgroup, you can do so at ''itwerkgroep @t pirateparty d0t be''.<br /> <br /> == See also ==<br /> <br /> * you can also find us on our [http://www.facebook.com/pages/Piratenpartij-Gent/242254335833334 facebook page]<br /> * you can subscribe to the [http://www.facebook.com/feeds/page.php?format=atom10&amp;id=242254335833334 rss feed] of that facebook page<br /> * we have a blog: http://ppgent.wordpress.com<br /> * our twitter account is https://twitter.com/ppgent</div>

Sandb https://wiki.pirateparty.be/index.php?title=Events/EGA:2012/MinutesNl&diff=8319 2012-12-23T04:27:07Z

<p>Sandb: /* = 3.4 Criteria voor de validiteit van een squad - Criteres de validite du travail des Squads */</p> <hr /> <div>= EGA 2012 Meeting Minutes =<br /> <br /> == Intro ==<br /> <br /> * 49 piraten aanwezig<br /> * 2 piraten stemmen niet (internationale piraten Lola en Jerry)<br /> * 13 personen vertegenwoordigd bij volmacht<br /> * Time Keeper: Thomas Goorden<br /> * Notulen Nederlands: Pieter Iserbyt<br /> <br /> * Uitleg stemming regels<br /> ** 7 stemmingen zijn &quot;exclusief&quot; (a, b, of c) andere zijn Ja/Neen<br /> <br /> Het doel van deze vergadering(en) is om te beslissen over statuten voor de piraten partij.<br /> <br /> == Complete Voorstellen ==<br /> <br /> Er zijn 4 complete voorstellen, elk compleet voorstel zal worden gepresenteerd om de achterliggende ideeën te verduidelijken.<br /> <br /> === Prop 24: Jonas ===<br /> <br /> * Huidige structuur zoveel mogelijk in statuen<br /> * Naar Zweeds model<br /> <br /> === Prop 13-23: Wallonie ===<br /> <br /> * Samenzitten met zoveel mogelijk piraten, voornamelijk van Wallonie en Brussel<br /> * Proberen iedere structuur van de partij te identificeren, squads, crews, en daar statuten rond te bouwen.<br /> <br /> === Prop 27: Chase Party: ===<br /> <br /> * &quot;fucking manual&quot; voortzetting<br /> * Door Marouane<br /> * Gebaseerd op 3 open en 3 gesloten entiteiten<br /> ** Open: crew, squad en &quot;arsenal&quot;<br /> ** Gesloten: uitvoerend, wetgeven en rechterlijk<br /> <br /> === Prop 25: Bruxelles ===<br /> <br /> * Gebaseerd op statuten verschillende partijen, leunt waarschijnlijk dichts aan bij propositie 24 (Jonas) <br /> <br /> == Niet statutaire stemmingen ==<br /> <br /> 3-4 vragen om de statuten stemming goed te laten verlopen<br /> <br /> Stemming 1.2.A <br /> * Verder gebruiken europees hoofdkwartier?<br /> * Resultaat: Ja, unaniem goedgekeurd<br /> <br /> Stemming 1.2.B <br /> * Uitrusting lokaal door coreteam of squad<br /> * Resultaat: Squad<br /> <br /> Stemming 1.2.C <br /> * Domicilie verzetten?<br /> * Resultaat: Ja, verzetten<br /> <br /> Stemming 2.2.D <br /> * Veranderen van bank, vanwege te duur?<br /> * Resultaat: Ja, we veranderen van bank<br /> * Nieuwe bank: Nofel, samen met iedereen die wil, zal kiezen. Triodos? Iets anders?<br /> <br /> Stemming 3.2.E <br /> * SLA Black Pearl?<br /> * Resultaat: Ja, unaniem<br /> <br /> Stemming 3.2.F <br /> * Statuten aanpassen to match party?<br /> * Resultaat: Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 3.2.G <br /> * De Duitse en France .be pirate party DNS namen proberen te verkrijgen via procedure?<br /> * Resultaat: <br /> ** Voor: 30 groen<br /> ** Tegen: 19 rood<br /> ** Dus aangenomen<br /> * Eerst proberen dit zonder rechtzaak of procedures te doen, pas daarna verder gaan.<br /> <br /> === Motie 1: Lidmaatschap ===<br /> <br /> ==== 1.1 Lidgeld ====<br /> <br /> Stemming 1. Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 2. C<br /> <br /> Stemming 3. Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 4. <br /> * Tafel 1: 6 Groen, 9 Rood <br /> * Tafel 2: 20 Groen, 4 Rood <br /> * Tafel 3: 7 Groen, 10 Rood<br /> * Ja: 33 Groen vs 23 Rood<br /> <br /> ==== 1.2 Voorwaarden ====<br /> <br /> Stemming 5.1 Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 5.2 Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 5.3 Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 5.4 Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 5.5 Nee<br /> <br /> ==== 1.3 Modaliteiten ====<br /> <br /> Stemming 6.A: Nee<br /> <br /> Stemming 6.B <br /> * Tafel 1: 6 Groen, 6 Rood <br /> * Tafel 2: 10 Groen, 20 Rood <br /> * Tafel 3: 17 Groen, 1 Rood <br /> * Ja, 33 Groen vs 27 Rood<br /> <br /> Stemming 7. Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 8. Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 9. Ja<br /> <br /> ==== Taalgebruik ====<br /> <br /> Stemming 10. Nee<br /> <br /> Stemming 11. <br /> * Tafel 1: 11 Groen, 5 Rood <br /> * Tafel 2: 11 Groen, 12 Rood <br /> * Tafel 3: 6 Groen, 12 Rood <br /> * Uitgesteld, 28 Groen vs 28 Rood <br /> <br /> Stemming 12. <br /> * Tafel 1: 15 Groen, 2 Rood <br /> * Tafel 2: 8 Groen, 13 Rood <br /> * Tafel 3: 5 Groen, 12 Rood<br /> * Uitgesteld, 28 Groen vs 27 Rood<br /> <br /> * Stemming of we meer dan twee stemmen verschil moeten tellen om een geldige beslissing te hebben bij getelde stemmingen? Een kleiner verschil leidt tot uitstelling naar de volgende EGA om opnieuw gestemd te worden.<br /> ** Ja <br /> ** Stemming 12 wordt dus uitgesteld<br /> <br /> Stemming 13.A Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 13.B Nee<br /> <br /> Stemming 14. Ja<br /> <br /> ==== 1.5 Uitschrijving en Uitsluiting ====<br /> <br /> Stemming 15.1 Nee<br /> <br /> Stemming 15.2 Nee<br /> <br /> Stemming 15.3 Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 16.1 Nee<br /> <br /> Stemming 16.2 <br /> * Tafel 1: 10 Groen, 4 Rood<br /> * Tafel 2: 11 Groen, 10 Rood<br /> * Tafel 3: 9 Groen, 8 Rood<br /> * Ja, 30 Groen vs 22 Rood<br /> <br /> Stemming 16.3 <br /> * tegenstelling &quot;enkel&quot; vs &quot;seulement - niet in franse vertaling&quot;: woord enkel verwijderd op vraag v auteur<br /> * Tafel 1: 4 Groen, 11 Rood<br /> * Tafel 2: 8 Groen, 14 Rood<br /> * Tafel 3: 15 Groen, 2 Rood<br /> * Uitgesteld, 27 Groen vs 27 Rood<br /> <br /> Stemming 16.4 Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 17 Ja<br /> <br /> === 1.6 Categorien ===<br /> <br /> Stemming 18 Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 19 Ja (gestemd voor 18)<br /> <br /> Stemming 20 A<br /> <br /> Stemming 21 Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 22 Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 23 Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 24 Nee<br /> <br /> Stemming 25 Ja<br /> <br /> === Motie 2: Crews ===<br /> <br /> ==== Defenitie ====<br /> <br /> Verduidelijking: In Nederlands &quot;Crew&quot; betekent wat &quot;Equipage&quot; betekent in het Frans en vice versa.<br /> <br /> Stemming 26. Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 27. Engelse versie (should join): Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 27. Franse versie (must join as if possible): Nee<br /> <br /> Stemming 28. Ja<br /> <br /> ==== Samenstelling ====<br /> <br /> Stemming 29. <br /> * Tafel 1: 8 Groen, 11 Rood <br /> * Tafel 2: 11 Groen, 11 Rood<br /> * Tafel 3: 4 Groen, 14 Rood<br /> * Nee, 23 Groen vs 36 Rood<br /> <br /> Stemming 30. Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 31. A <br /> <br /> Stemming 32. Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 33.A Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 33.B Nee<br /> <br /> Stemming 33.C Door het resultaat van 37 niet langer geldig, niet gestemd.<br /> <br /> Stemming 34.1 Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 34.2 Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 34.3 <br /> * Tafel 1: 5 Groen, 6 Rood<br /> * Tafel 2: 14 Groen, 3 Rood<br /> * Tafel 3: 6 Groen, 10 Rood<br /> * Ja: 25 Groen vs 19 Rood<br /> <br /> Stemming 35.1 <br /> * Verduidelijking: Coordiner = agenda voorbereiden, nota's nemen, vergaderingen aankondigen<br /> * Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 35.2 Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 35.3 <br /> * Tafel 1: 6 Groen, 9 Rood<br /> * Tafel 2: 13 Groen, 2 Rood<br /> * Tafel 3: 5 Groen, 8 Rood<br /> * Ja: 24 Groen vs 19 Rood<br /> <br /> Stemming 35.4 Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 35.5 <br /> * Tafel 1: 3 Groen, 10 Rood <br /> * Tafel 2: 12 Groen, 7 Rood<br /> * Tafel 3: 5 Groen, 9 Rood<br /> * Nee: 20 Groen vs 26 Rood<br /> <br /> Stemming 35.6<br /> * 0G 14R <br /> * 15G 2R<br /> * 4G 11R<br /> * Nee: 18 Groen vs 27 Rood<br /> <br /> Stemming 35.7 Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 36 Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 37 <br /> * Tafel 1: 1 Groen, 16 Rood<br /> * Tafel 2: 7 Groen, 9 Rood<br /> * Tafel 3: 12 Groen, 5 Rood<br /> * Nee: 20 Groen vs 30 Rood<br /> <br /> Stemming 38.1 Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 38.2 Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 38.3 Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 38.4 Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 38.5 Uitgesteld tot stemming over vloot<br /> <br /> Stemming 38.6 Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 38.7 Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 38.8 Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 39.1 Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 39.2 Ja<br /> * Tafel 1: 8 Groen, 9 Rood<br /> * Tafel 2: 17 Groen, 3 Rood<br /> * Tafel 2: 9 Groen, 7 Rood<br /> * Ja: 34 Groen 19 Groen<br /> <br /> Stemming 39.3 <br /> * Tafel 1: 9 Groen, 7 Rood<br /> * Tafel 2: 18 Groen, 7 Rood<br /> * Tafel 3: 6 Groen, 10 Rood<br /> * Ja: 33 Groen vs 24 Rood<br /> <br /> Stemming 39.4, Franse versie:<br /> * Tafel 1: 6 Groen, 13 Rood<br /> * Tafel 2: 14 Groen, 9 Rood<br /> * Tafel 3: 7 Groen, 10 Rood<br /> * Nee: 27 Groen vs 32 Rood<br /> <br /> Stemming 39.4, Nederlandse versie: Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 39.5<br /> * Tafel 1: 10 Groen, 9 Rood<br /> * Tafel 2: 15 Groen, 6 Rood<br /> * Tafel 3: 10 Groen, 6 Rood<br /> * Ja: 35 Groen vs 24 Rood<br /> * Verduidelijking: Namen als beschreven in het voorstel zijn geen officiele namen, ook bijnamen of avatars zijn ok (privacy)<br /> <br /> Stemming 39.6 Nee<br /> <br /> ==== 2.4 Werking ====<br /> <br /> Stemming 40: Zelfde als 32 (exact) dus niet gestemd<br /> <br /> Stemming 41. Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 42. Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 43. Nee<br /> <br /> Stemming 44. Nee<br /> <br /> ==== 2.5 Beslissingen nemen ====<br /> <br /> Stemming 45. <br /> * Tafel 1: 7 Groen, 12 Rood<br /> * Tafel 2: 11 Groen, 11 Rood<br /> * Tafel 3: 6 Groen, 7 Rood<br /> * Nee : 24 Groen vs 30 Rood<br /> <br /> ==== 2.6 Vernieuwing van de posten ====<br /> <br /> Stemming 46.<br /> * A: Nee<br /> * B: Ja<br /> * C: Ja<br /> <br /> === Motion 3: Squads ===<br /> <br /> ==== 3.1 Definition ====<br /> <br /> Stemming 47. Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 48. Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 49. <br /> * A Ja<br /> * B Nee<br /> <br /> Stemming 50.<br /> * A Nee<br /> * B Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 51.<br /> * A: Nee<br /> * B: Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 52. Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 53. Sectie/Section = seen as &quot;project squad&quot;; means squad can't refuse a new member; Vote: Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 54. <br /> * A: Nee<br /> * B: Ja<br /> <br /> ==== 3.3 Bevoegdheden - Compétences ====<br /> <br /> Stemming 55. <br /> * Tafel 1: 10 Groen, 10 Rood<br /> * Tafel 2: 17 Groen, 3 Rood<br /> * Tafel 3: 5 Groen, 9 Rood<br /> * Ja: 32 Groen vs 22 Rood<br /> * Verduidelijking: Voor productief werk, niet voor beslissingen.<br /> <br /> Stemming 56. No<br /> <br /> Stemming 57. <br /> * Translation error: <br /> ** Niet squads maar &quot;Theme Squad&quot;<br /> ** Voorstellen (propose) <br /> * Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 58. Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 59. <br /> * Tafel 1: 11 Groen, 7 Rood<br /> * Tafel 2: 17 Groen, 6 Rood<br /> * Tafel 3: 6 Groen, 9 Rood<br /> * Ja: 34 Groen vs 22 Rood<br /> <br /> Stemming 60. Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 61. Nederlandse versie = invalid<br /> <br /> Stemming 61. Franse versie (meerderheid == leden of aanwezige leden?)<br /> * Tafel 1: 15 Groen, 5 Rood<br /> * Tafel 2: 6 Groen, 19 Rood<br /> * Tafel 3: 8 Groen, 7 Rood<br /> * Uitgesteld: 29 Groen vs 31 Rood<br /> <br /> Stemming 62. Nee<br /> <br /> ==== 3.4 Criteria voor de validiteit van een squad - Criteres de validite du travail des Squads ====<br /> <br /> Stemming 63.1 Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 63.2 Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 63.3 Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 63.4 Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 63.5 <br /> * Tafel 1: 12 Groen, 8 Rood<br /> * Tafel 2: 15 Groen, 10 Rood<br /> * Tafel 3: 3 Groen, 13 Rood<br /> * Uitgesteld: 30 Groen vs 31 Rood<br /> <br /> Stemming 63.6 Translation error: Minstens een keer per jaar rapport ipv vergadering: Vote french version: Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 63.7 Nederlandse versie, not french: Ja<br /> <br /> === Motion 4: Ondersteuning ===<br /> <br /> ==== 4.1 Ondersteuning ====<br /> <br /> Stemming 64. Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 65. Kwartiermeester = hier Capitainerie ?Havenmeester?<br /> * A: Nee<br /> * B<br /> ** Tafel 1: 2 Groen, 17 Rood<br /> ** Tafel 2: 12 Groen, 9 Rood<br /> ** Tafel 3: 4 Groen, 9 Rood<br /> ** Nee: 18 Groen vs 35 Rood<br /> * C: Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 66.<br /> * A. Nee<br /> * B. Ja<br /> * C<br /> ** Tafel 1: 7 Groen, 7 Rood<br /> ** Tafel 2: 10 Groen, 12 Rood<br /> ** Tafel 3: 3 Groen, 13 Rood<br /> ** Nee: 20 Groen vs 32 Rood<br /> <br /> Stemming 67.1 Ja <br /> <br /> Stemming 67.2 Ja (geen invloed/rol om te beslissen vanuit het kader van support, wel als lid nat.)<br /> <br /> Stemming 67.3 Ja <br /> <br /> Stemming 68 Deze punten gaat over havenmeester / capitainerie<br /> <br /> Stemming 68.1 Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 68.2 Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 68.3 Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 68.4 Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 68.5 Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 68.6 <br /> ** Tafel 1: 13 Groen, 7 Rood<br /> ** Tafel 2: 14 Groen, 3 Rood<br /> ** Tafel 3: 6 Groen, 10 Rood<br /> ** Ja: 33 Groen vs 20 Rood<br /> <br /> Stemming 68.7 Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 68.8 Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 68.9 <br /> ** Tafel 1: 12 Groen, 10 Rood<br /> ** Tafel 2: 10 Groen, 11 Rood<br /> ** Tafel 3: 4 Groen, 10 Rood<br /> ** Nee: 26 Groen vs 31 Rood<br /> <br /> === Motie 5: Coreteam ===<br /> <br /> ==== 5.1 Samenstelling - Composition ====<br /> <br /> Stemming 69. Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 70. <br /> ** Tafel 1: 17 Groen, 4 Rood<br /> ** Tafel 2: 15 Groen, 8 Rood<br /> ** Tafel 3: 6 Groen, 10 Rood<br /> ** Ja: 28 Groen vs 22 Rood<br /> <br /> Stemming 71.<br /> * A Nee<br /> * B<br /> ** Tafel 1: 14 Groen, 7 Rood<br /> ** Tafel 2: 10 Groen, 14 Rood<br /> ** Tafel 3: 13 Groen, 2 Rood<br /> ** Ja: 37 Groen vs 23 Rood<br /> * C<br /> ** Tafel 1: 7 Groen, 14 Rood<br /> ** Tafel 2: 16 Groen, 5 Rood<br /> ** Tafel 3: 11 Groen, 4 Rood<br /> ** Ja: 34 Groen vs 23 Rood<br /> <br /> // two names, next EGA we will see for the final name<br /> <br /> Stemming 72. <br /> * Opmerking van Jonas DK (auteur van een van de samengevoegde voorstellen): Woord &quot;liefst&quot; van het oorspronkelijke voorstel ontbreekt hier.<br /> <br /> Stemming 72. Met &quot;liefst/favorable de parler&quot; toegevoegd<br /> ** Tafel 1: 12 Groen, 9 Rood<br /> ** Tafel 2: 14 Groen, 9 Rood<br /> ** Tafel 3: 8 Groen, 6 Rood<br /> ** Ja: 34 Groen vs 24 Rood<br /> <br /> Stemming 72. Without &quot;liefst/favorable&quot; - have to be: Nee<br /> <br /> Stemming 73. s/kwartiermeester/havenmeester/g<br /> * A // Enkele leden van de havenmeester, niet alle leden // : Nee<br /> * B <br /> ** Tafel 1: 10 Groen, 10 Rood<br /> ** Tafel 2: 4 Groen, 16 Rood<br /> ** Tafel 3: 4 Groen, 10 Rood<br /> ** Nee: 18G vs 36R<br /> * C Nee<br /> <br /> Opmerking: Omdat het Coreteam nog niet duidelijk gedefinieerd is, slaan we de punten 74 tot en met 93 over. Deze punten worden op een volgende EGA gestemd.<br /> <br /> ==== 5.3 Werkwijze - Mode de fonctionnement ====<br /> <br /> Stemming 94. Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 95. <br /> * A. Nee<br /> * B. Ja<br /> * C. Nee<br /> <br /> Stemming 96.<br /> * Tafel 1: 8 Groen, 14 Rood <br /> * Tafel 2: 17 Groen, 7 Rood<br /> * Tafel 3: 5 Groen, 10 Rood<br /> * Uitgesteld: 30 Groen vs 31 Rood <br /> <br /> Stemming 97 <br /> * Verduidelijking: Refereert naar co-voorzitter, niet president <br /> * Deze functies zijn nog niet gedefinieerd, dus wordt dit punt uitgesteld tot de volgende vergadering.<br /> <br /> Stemming 98 Internationale coordinator niet gedefinieerd, dus stemming uitgesteld<br /> <br /> Stemming 99 Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 100 <br /> * Verduidelijking: Franse versie moest zijn: &quot;a preference de unanimite&quot;<br /> * Ja<br /> <br /> === Motie 6: Verkozenen en Cumuls ===<br /> <br /> ==== 6.1 Verkozenen en Cumuls ====<br /> <br /> <br /> Stemming 101. <br /> * Verduidelijking: &quot;spannen zich in om&quot; moest zijn &quot;engageren zich om&quot;<br /> <br /> Stemming 101.1. Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 101.2. Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 101.3. Nee<br /> <br /> Stemming 101.4. Uitgesteld (charter is nog niet gedefinieerd)<br /> <br /> Stemming 101.5. Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 101.6. Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 101.7. Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 101.8. <br /> * Verduidelijking: Toevoegen &quot;Als men deel maakt van een meerderheid&quot;/&quot;S'il fait part d'un majorite&quot;<br /> * Tafel 1: 6 Groen, 12 Rood<br /> * Tafel 2: 4 Groen, 16 Rood<br /> * Tafel 3: 10 Groen, 5 Rood<br /> * Nee: 20 Groen vs 33 Rood<br /> <br /> Stemming 101.9. <br /> * Tafel 1: 12 Groen, 5 Rood<br /> * Tafel 2: 14 Groen, 8 Rood<br /> * Tafel 3: 8 Groen, 5 Rood<br /> * Ja: 24 Groen vs 18 Rood<br /> <br /> Stemming 101.10. Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 102 <br /> * Verduidelijking: In de Franse versie wordt met &quot;Conseil&quot; bedoeld &quot;Conseil Communale&quot;<br /> * Vraag: Wat met district raad?<br /> * Opmerking Klaas: voorstel ontbreekt waar geen enkele functie binnen en buiten de partij gecombineerd mag worden.<br /> <br /> Stemming 102<br /> * Tafel 1: 8 Groen, 7 Rood<br /> * Tafel 2: 7 Groen, 16 Rood<br /> * Tafel 3: 13 Groen, 2 Rood<br /> * Ja: 28 Groen vs 25 Rood<br /> <br /> Stemming 102 - Versie Klaas (geen combinatie partij functie en publiek mandaat): Nee<br /> <br /> Stemming 103.A Nee<br /> <br /> Stemming 103.B<br /> * Tafel 1: 9 Groen, 10 Rood<br /> * Tafel 2: 11 Groen, 9 Rood<br /> * Tafel 3: 8 Groen, 6 Rood<br /> * Ja: 28 Groen vs 25 Rood<br /> <br /> Stemming 103.C<br /> * Tafel 1: 12 Groen, 10 Rood<br /> * Tafel 2: 17 Groen, 4 Rood<br /> * Tafel 3: 12 Groen, 3 Rood<br /> * Ja: 41 Groen vs 17 Rood<br /> <br /> Stemming 103.D Nee<br /> <br /> Extra stemming: <br /> * Voorstel B laten gelden als minimum voor C teneinde de twee te combineren?<br /> * Ja, 103.B geldt als mimimum voor 103.C<br /> <br /> Stemming 104. Ja<br /> <br /> === Motie 7: Algemene Vergadering - Asemblee Generale ===<br /> <br /> ==== 7.1 Algemene Vergadering ====<br /> <br /> Stemming 105. Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 106.1 Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 106.2 Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 106.3 Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 106.4 <br /> * Opmerking: We voegen &quot;op partij niveau&quot; to aan &quot;alle verkozenen&quot; om problemen te vermijden met het verkiezen van kapitein en navigator op het lagere niveaus (crew/squad)<br /> * Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 106.5 Nee<br /> <br /> Stemming 106.6 <br /> * Tafel 1: 7 Groen, 7 Rood<br /> * Tafel 2: 9 Groen, 9 Rood<br /> * Tafel 3: 3 Groen, 7 Rood<br /> * Nee: 19 Groen vs 23 Rood<br /> <br /> Stemming 106.7 Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 106.8 Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 106.9 Uitgesteld, term &quot;secretariat&quot; nog niet gedefinieerd<br /> <br /> Stemming 106.10 Uitgesteld, term &quot;Arbitrage hof&quot; nog niet gedefineerd<br /> <br /> Stemming 107 void, reeds gestemd<br /> <br /> Stemming 108. Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 109.1<br /> * Tafel 1: 11 Groen, 6 Rood<br /> * Tafel 2: 13 Groen, 4 Rood<br /> * Tafel 3: 4 Groen, 10 Rood<br /> * Ja: 28 Groen vs 20 Rood<br /> <br /> Stemming 109.2 Niet gestemd omdat 109.1 strenger is dan 109.2<br /> <br /> Stemming 110.1 Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 110.2 Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 110.3<br /> * Tafel 1: 8 Groen, 7 Rood<br /> * Tafel 2: 9 Groen, 11 Rood<br /> * Tafel 3: 8 Groen, 7 Rood<br /> * Uitgesteld: 25 Groen vs 25 Rood <br /> <br /> Stemming 110.4 Uitgesteld<br /> <br /> Stemming 110.5 <br /> * Tafel 1: 12 Groen, 7 Rood<br /> * Tafel 2: 13 Groen, 9 Rood<br /> * Tafel 3: 5 Groen, 10 Rood<br /> * Ja: 30 Groen vs 26 Rood<br /> <br /> Stemming 111.A Uitgesteld core-team not defined<br /> <br /> Stemming 111.B Uitgesteld raad van crews niet defined, and weird proposal, not logically correct<br /> <br /> === Motie 8: Stemmingen en meerderheid ===<br /> <br /> ==== 8.1 De meerderheid ====<br /> <br /> Stemming 112: Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 113: Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 114: Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 115: Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 116: Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 117: Ja<br /> <br /> We houden hier op (tijd) en fast forward naar Motie 12<br /> <br /> === Motie 12: Wanneer we deze agenda niet afgewerkt hebben ===<br /> <br /> ==== 12.1 Verwerking van de gestemde elementen ====<br /> <br /> Stemming 167.C Voorstel Pieter: Voordat de gestemde voorstellen geldig worden eerst in statuten gieten en zorgen dat ze in overeenstemming zijn met elkaar.<br /> * Tafel 1: 8 Groen, 14 Rood<br /> * Tafel 2: 17 Groen, 6 Rood<br /> * Tafel 3: 2 Groen, 12 Rood<br /> * Nee: 28 Groen vs 32 Rood<br /> <br /> Stemming 167.D Voorstel Christophe: Alles onmiddelijk geldig<br /> * Tafel 1: 13 Groen, 3 Rood<br /> * Tafel 2: 13 Groen, 12 Rood<br /> * Tafel 3: 14 Groen, 2 Rood<br /> * Ja: 40 Groen vs 17 Rood<br /> <br /> 168.A Nee<br /> <br /> 168.B Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 169.A <br /> * Tafel 1: 17 Groen, 2 Rood<br /> * Tafel 2: 12 Groen, 14 Rood<br /> * Tafel 3: 9 Groen, 6 Rood<br /> * Ja: 38 Groen vs 22 Rood<br /> <br /> Stemming 169.B Nee<br /> <br /> Stemming 169.C Nee<br /> <br /> Stemming 170.A Ja<br /> <br /> Stemming 170.B<br /> * Tafel 1: 2 Groen, 13 Rood<br /> * Tafel 2: 17 Groen, 8 Rood<br /> * Tafel 2: 8 Groen, 6 Rood<br /> * Nee: 27 Groen vs 27 Rood<br /> <br /> Stemming 170.C<br /> * Tafel 1: 6 Groen, 9 Rood<br /> * Tafel 2: 14 Groen, 10 Rood<br /> * Tafel 3: 7 Groen, 8 Rood<br /> * Nee: 27 Groen vs 27 Rood <br /> <br /> Enig bezwaar om 170.A, enige van de drie die duidelijk Ja gestemd werd, als enige te laten gelden? <br /> * Geen bezwaren<br /> * 170.A is gestemd, 170.B en 170.C niet<br /> <br /> === Extra stemming over Projectsquad EGA ===<br /> <br /> Wie is bereid om aan dit squad deel te nemen?<br /> * Kandidaten: Koen, Jonas Dg, Marouane, Vincent L, Vincent D, Patrique Installe, Alexis Gofin, Francois<br /> * Dit is een squad, dus iedereen die wil kan later ook nog aansluiten<br /> <br /> De Algemene vergadering werd gesloten om 18:12.</div>

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<p>Sandb: /* PV de réunion - Meeting minutes */</p> <hr /> <div>= Where - Où - Waar =<br /> <br /> :[http://www.placet.be/img/plan.jpg Centre Le Placet]<br /> :6, rue des Sports<br /> :1348 Louvain-la-Neuve<br /> <br /> [FR] Visuellement, le Placet se trouve autour d'une petite place avec des arbres, deux tables et bancs. C'est à 20m en amont de l'Atelier théâtral Jean Villar (à ne pas confondre avec le théâtre Jean Villar, qui lui se trouve dans le centre de L.L.N) et il y a une sculpture en métal de 5m de haut &quot;OVO&quot; au milieu de la place.<br /> <br /> = PV de réunion - Meeting minutes =<br /> <br /> En français: http://piratepad.be/p/ega2012minutesfr<br /> <br /> In het Nederlands: [[Events/EGA:2012/MinutesNl]] op basis van: http://piratepad.be/p/ega2012minutesnl<br /> <br /> = [[Events/EGA2012/Timeline|Timeline]] =<br /> <br /> = [[Events/EGA2012/Rules_of_procedure|Rules of Procedure]] =<br /> <br /> = [[Events/EGA2012/Announce|Announcement &amp; Practical informations]] =<br /> <br /> *[FR] L'annonce et les infos pratiques sont [[Events/EGA2012/Announce|ICI]].<br /> *[NL] Het aankondiging en praktische Info vindt u [[Events/EGA2012/Announce|HIER]].<br /> <br /> =[http://pirateparty.be/?p=971 Registration Page] =<br /> <br /> *[FR] Pour préparer au mieux cet événément, nous vous demandons de vous enregistrer [http://pirateparty.be/?p=971&amp;lang=fr SUR CETTE PAGE]<br /> *[NL] Om dit evenement beter te kunnen voorbereiden, willen we je graag vragen om je in te schrijven [http://pirateparty.be/?p=971&amp;lang=nl OP DEZE PAGINA]<br /> <br /> = Procurement =<br /> *[FR] Si vous ne pouvez être présent le jour de l'Assemblée Générale Extraordinaire, vous pouvez déléguer votre voix à un autre Pirate en envoyant un mail à &lt;email&gt;ega2012ATpiratepartyDOTbe&lt;/email&gt;, avec les coordonnées de la personne qui aura '''la procuration'''.<br /> *[NL] Als je niet aanwezig kunt zijn op de dag van de Buitengewone Algemene Vergadering, kunt u uw stem delegeren aan een andere Piraat door het sturen van een mail naar &lt;email&gt;ega2012ATpiratepartyDOTbe&lt;/email&gt;, met de gegevens van de persoon die '''de volmacht''' heeft.<br /> <br /> = [[Events/EGA:2012/Propositions|Structure Propositions]] =<br /> <br /> *Structure propositions are official once they are mailed to &lt;email&gt;ega2012ATpirateparty.be&lt;/email&gt;. <br /> *The '''deadline''' for submitting proposals is ''November 21st 2012, 23h59 CET''. <br /> *The '''deadline''' for submitting amendments is ''December 15 2012, 23h59 CET''. <br /> *You can find the propositions already made so far on this [[Events/EGA:2012/Propositions|page]]<br /> <br /> If you want to submit any statute amendment or other proposal write to &lt;email&gt;ega2012ATpirateparty.be&lt;/email&gt;.</div>

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<p>Sandb: /* PV de réunion - Meeting minutes */</p> <hr /> <div>= Where - Où - Waar =<br /> <br /> :[http://www.placet.be/img/plan.jpg Centre Le Placet]<br /> :6, rue des Sports<br /> :1348 Louvain-la-Neuve<br /> <br /> [FR] Visuellement, le Placet se trouve autour d'une petite place avec des arbres, deux tables et bancs. C'est à 20m en amont de l'Atelier théâtral Jean Villar (à ne pas confondre avec le théâtre Jean Villar, qui lui se trouve dans le centre de L.L.N) et il y a une sculpture en métal de 5m de haut &quot;OVO&quot; au milieu de la place.<br /> <br /> = PV de réunion - Meeting minutes =<br /> <br /> En français: http://piratepad.be/p/ega2012minutesfr<br /> <br /> In het Nederlands: [[EGA:2012/MinutesNl]] op basis van: http://piratepad.be/p/ega2012minutesnl<br /> <br /> = [[Events/EGA2012/Timeline|Timeline]] =<br /> <br /> = [[Events/EGA2012/Rules_of_procedure|Rules of Procedure]] =<br /> <br /> = [[Events/EGA2012/Announce|Announcement &amp; Practical informations]] =<br /> <br /> *[FR] L'annonce et les infos pratiques sont [[Events/EGA2012/Announce|ICI]].<br /> *[NL] Het aankondiging en praktische Info vindt u [[Events/EGA2012/Announce|HIER]].<br /> <br /> =[http://pirateparty.be/?p=971 Registration Page] =<br /> <br /> *[FR] Pour préparer au mieux cet événément, nous vous demandons de vous enregistrer [http://pirateparty.be/?p=971&amp;lang=fr SUR CETTE PAGE]<br /> *[NL] Om dit evenement beter te kunnen voorbereiden, willen we je graag vragen om je in te schrijven [http://pirateparty.be/?p=971&amp;lang=nl OP DEZE PAGINA]<br /> <br /> = Procurement =<br /> *[FR] Si vous ne pouvez être présent le jour de l'Assemblée Générale Extraordinaire, vous pouvez déléguer votre voix à un autre Pirate en envoyant un mail à &lt;email&gt;ega2012ATpiratepartyDOTbe&lt;/email&gt;, avec les coordonnées de la personne qui aura '''la procuration'''.<br /> *[NL] Als je niet aanwezig kunt zijn op de dag van de Buitengewone Algemene Vergadering, kunt u uw stem delegeren aan een andere Piraat door het sturen van een mail naar &lt;email&gt;ega2012ATpiratepartyDOTbe&lt;/email&gt;, met de gegevens van de persoon die '''de volmacht''' heeft.<br /> <br /> = [[Events/EGA:2012/Propositions|Structure Propositions]] =<br /> <br /> *Structure propositions are official once they are mailed to &lt;email&gt;ega2012ATpirateparty.be&lt;/email&gt;. <br /> *The '''deadline''' for submitting proposals is ''November 21st 2012, 23h59 CET''. <br /> *The '''deadline''' for submitting amendments is ''December 15 2012, 23h59 CET''. <br /> *You can find the propositions already made so far on this [[Events/EGA:2012/Propositions|page]]<br /> <br /> If you want to submit any statute amendment or other proposal write to &lt;email&gt;ega2012ATpirateparty.be&lt;/email&gt;.</div>

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